how many digs

[lurcher330 2,301]

i dont think it a question of people been afraid of workin there first season dogs hard in case they jib dont forget its still there first season lots of time to test them in their second season if your that confident in the breedin behind the dog surely you can wait another eight or ten months to test him and if it fails then at least you know you gave it every chance i think their are to many macho men in the game waitin for a dog to blip and then its dead just my opinion im no expert but its my thoughts on it

 

bang on Kevin that's why there is so many failed terriers out there or not anymore if the case maybe but if they were just started off with lighter work they would come on a lot better you would'nt expect a lurcher to catch 20 rabbits on it's first night lamping or a boxer would not fight for a world title on his first professional fight in every job it takes time to learn the ropes

[Guest dee mac]

i dont think it a question of people been afraid of workin there first season dogs hard in case they jib dont forget its still there first season lots of time to test them in their second season if your that confident in the breedin behind the dog surely you can wait another eight or ten months to test him and if it fails then at least you know you gave it every chance i think their are to many macho men in the game waitin for a dog to blip and then its dead just my opinion im no expert but its my thoughts on it

kevin every young dog has a bad day but its part of the learning procees and they usually learn a lot from it for any body too cull a young dog after one bad day in its fisrt season they should not own any breed of dog never mind an honest working bred terrier i see it all the time meeting lads during summer with dogs with signs of work on it ask its breeding not sure bought it in going well then following season you meet them again and ask about the dog they relpy na turned out too be a wnaker and im thinking too myself it aint the dog that was the wnaker its the same old story there s proper dog men and there s pretenders imo. lads who take there dogs seriously give the young dogs every chance some days good some days bad but with each dig it completes it should show signs of improvement learning as it goes with the bar being raised that wee bit each time and its the proper dog lads that can spot a dog that just aint got that extra gear a dog just going through the motions when its easy and lacking when it get s a bit heavy but will give dog a fair crack of whip to prove them wrong and when a decision is made too cull its been made over many days of watching dog in the field not just because he wanted too act hard in front of a crowd because the dog made a mistake in its first season its these type of fools that give this game a bad image.

[fish 148]

i dont think it a question of people been afraid of workin there first season dogs hard in case they jib dont forget its still there first season lots of time to test them in their second season if your that confident in the breedin behind the dog surely you can wait another eight or ten months to test him and if it fails then at least you know you gave it every chance i think their are to many macho men in the game waitin for a dog to blip and then its dead just my opinion im no expert but its my thoughts on it

kevin every young dog has a bad day but its part of the learning procees and they usually learn a lot from it for any body too cull a young dog after one bad day in its fisrt season they should not own any breed of dog never mind an honest working bred terrier i see it all the time meeting lads during summer with dogs with signs of work on it ask its breeding not sure bought it in going well then following season you meet them again and ask about the dog they relpy na turned out too be a wnaker and im thinking too myself it aint the dog that was the wnaker its the same old story there s proper dog men and there s pretenders imo. lads who take there dogs seriously give the young dogs every chance some days good some days bad but with each dig it completes it should show signs of improvement learning as it goes with the bar being raised that wee bit each time and its the proper dog lads that can spot a dog that just aint got that extra gear a dog just going through the motions when its easy and lacking when it get s a bit heavy but will give dog a fair crack of whip to prove them wrong and when a decision is made too cull its been made over many days of watching dog in the field not just because he wanted too act hard in front of a crowd because the dog made a mistake in its first season its these type of fools that give this game a bad image.

and theres more then anouth fools in the terrier game bud.and big heads who know it all

[fat man 4,741]

Keven and dee.mac i totally agree with both your comments.There is too many that dont give a dog the chance it deserves,and also if im out diging and i or any of the lads i dig with have a failed terrier the final deed is not done in the field,not on my permission anyway,call me soft but thats the way it is.How long is enough time with a terrier to say its not going to make the grade.I would start a young terrier at around 14months in september and give them to the new year to show me if its in them and by then you would have a good idea of what you have.I think september is not the greatest month for diging as its still warm with ground still very dry and hard so i would try the easiest places i know for the pup to give it that bit of confidence it needs.

[Mustard. 83]

i dont think it a question of people been afraid of workin there first season dogs hard in case they jib dont forget its still there first season lots of time to test them in their second season if your that confident in the breedin behind the dog surely you can wait another eight or ten months to test him and if it fails then at least you know you gave it every chance i think their are to many macho men in the game waitin for a dog to blip and then its dead just my opinion im no expert but its my thoughts on it

kevin every young dog has a bad day but its part of the learning procees and they usually learn a lot from it for any body too cull a young dog after one bad day in its fisrt season they should not own any breed of dog never mind an honest working bred terrier i see it all the time meeting lads during summer with dogs with signs of work on it ask its breeding not sure bought it in going well then following season you meet them again and ask about the dog they relpy na turned out too be a wnaker and im thinking too myself it aint the dog that was the wnaker its the same old story there s proper dog men and there s pretenders imo. lads who take there dogs seriously give the young dogs every chance some days good some days bad but with each dig it completes it should show signs of improvement learning as it goes with the bar being raised that wee bit each time and its the proper dog lads that can spot a dog that just aint got that extra gear a dog just going through the motions when its easy and lacking when it get s a bit heavy but will give dog a fair crack of whip to prove them wrong and when a decision is made too cull its been made over many days of watching dog in the field not just because he wanted too act hard in front of a crowd because the dog made a mistake in its first season its these type of fools that give this game a bad image.

I expected better from you dee mac!lol

Sound's like your a croud pleaser.

[Glyn..... 5,208]

i dont think it a question of people been afraid of workin there first season dogs hard in case they jib dont forget its still there first season lots of time to test them in their second season if your that confident in the breedin behind the dog surely you can wait another eight or ten months to test him and if it fails then at least you know you gave it every chance i think their are to many macho men in the game waitin for a dog to blip and then its dead just my opinion im no expert but its my thoughts on it

kevin every young dog has a bad day but its part of the learning procees and they usually learn a lot from it for any body too cull a young dog after one bad day in its fisrt season they should not own any breed of dog never mind an honest working bred terrier i see it all the time meeting lads during summer with dogs with signs of work on it ask its breeding not sure bought it in going well then following season you meet them again and ask about the dog they relpy na turned out too be a wnaker and im thinking too myself it aint the dog that was the wnaker its the same old story there s proper dog men and there s pretenders imo. lads who take there dogs seriously give the young dogs every chance some days good some days bad but with each dig it completes it should show signs of improvement learning as it goes with the bar being raised that wee bit each time and its the proper dog lads that can spot a dog that just aint got that extra gear a dog just going through the motions when its easy and lacking when it get s a bit heavy but will give dog a fair crack of whip to prove them wrong and when a decision is made too cull its been made over many days of watching dog in the field not just because he wanted too act hard in front of a crowd because the dog made a mistake in its first season its these type of fools that give this game a bad image.

good post

[Guest dee mac]

i dont think it a question of people been afraid of workin there first season dogs hard in case they jib dont forget its still there first season lots of time to test them in their second season if your that confident in the breedin behind the dog surely you can wait another eight or ten months to test him and if it fails then at least you know you gave it every chance i think their are to many macho men in the game waitin for a dog to blip and then its dead just my opinion im no expert but its my thoughts on it

kevin every young dog has a bad day but its part of the learning procees and they usually learn a lot from it for any body too cull a young dog after one bad day in its fisrt season they should not own any breed of dog never mind an honest working bred terrier i see it all the time meeting lads during summer with dogs with signs of work on it ask its breeding not sure bought it in going well then following season you meet them again and ask about the dog they relpy na turned out too be a wnaker and im thinking too myself it aint the dog that was the wnaker its the same old story there s proper dog men and there s pretenders imo. lads who take there dogs seriously give the young dogs every chance some days good some days bad but with each dig it completes it should show signs of improvement learning as it goes with the bar being raised that wee bit each time and its the proper dog lads that can spot a dog that just aint got that extra gear a dog just going through the motions when its easy and lacking when it get s a bit heavy but will give dog a fair crack of whip to prove them wrong and when a decision is made too cull its been made over many days of watching dog in the field not just because he wanted too act hard in front of a crowd because the dog made a mistake in its first season its these type of fools that give this game a bad image.

I expected better from you dee mac!lol

Sound's like your a croud pleaser.

what you mean by that ?

[patterdale085 7]

Good post kev i think 5 to 6 digs is plenty and if its a handy hole you can here the dog working away and you will know when its time you can open up,If hes a hard dog get to him quicker rather than a sounder you can leave working away.just my opinion but i think this amount of digs is enouf to let the dog familerise him self with his quarry for his first season.

 

 

[hedz31 1,308]

I dont have a set rule or number for entering young terriers there all different and develop different ,i play it by ear and just use my own judgment and just watch them over there first season one may get 10 or 15 and another may get 4 or 5 depending on there attitude to work and maturity and development within themselves i dont think ye can have a set rule thats just my opinion though dont make it right lol

[sionnach 44]

good topic kev alot depends on age of the dog on its first season

and if he gets away with getting stick when working

some times i think 4 or 5 would be enough if he is getting it hard but

a sounder mixer type over double that would be ok

seen more terriers last when they where given plenty of time to heal in first season

interesting to see other peoples views

mack

i'd have to agree with mackel on this one, y.i.s, sionnach

[micheal rennicks 17]

how many times have you seen a dog that is just not up to it and hes 3 or 4 year old,wheres the sense in that owners giving him a chance thats taken the piss.excuses are for the politicians you if you think or say you are the true terrierman, should be making the right decision,then he sold on ive seen it happen.

[J Darcy 5,871]

Alot must depend on the age of the youngster too... They all mature at different times, even litter mates can be totally different and some won't be ready until 18 months.I know some like to start their pups at 8 months old and suchlike, but they are still puppies. Patience is a good tool to have some days. When i hear of lads that have had dozens of pups and none have made the grade i cannot help but to think what is the common denominator...It isn't the pups, its the man ... But as ever, it's each to his own.....

[stando 177]

In the working terrier world there's alot of "men with a terrier,but not many "terriermen"!!!!!!!!!!

[Shamo 319]

Alot must depend on the age of the youngster too... They all mature at different times, even litter mates can be totally different and some won't be ready until 18 months.I know some like to start their pups at 8 months old and suchlike, but they are still puppies. Patience is a good tool to have some days. When i hear of lads that have had dozens of pups and none have made the grade i cannot help but to think what is the common denominator...It isn't the pups, its the man ... But as ever, it's each to his own.....

When I personally reply to a Thread I am not talking about so called 'Fox Dogs'. I post about standards and culling dogs out etc, etc. I am not talking about Puppies like most of you are talking about, 14 and 15 Months old would only be watching what's what. A first Season dog would be as close to 2 years old as I could get, before intentionally loosing it in. Then it would be given as much as it could take, without working it with scabs. A second season dog would be over 2 years old at least. I never cull Pups (Terrier under 2) unless they have curred out during the Puppy 'hands on' process. We have to think for the Terrier, I have had 7 Month old Pups want to get to ground when they have heard things.....does that mean the next place he gets loosed?! NO, it means it's a nice sign for the future.

I have had many Terriers and made many mistakes, even ruining (possibly) a few and culling out a little too early (maybe). A cur is a cur though. It is a thin line between genuinely 'bringing a dog on slowly' and making excuses and not allowing the dog to progress.

[Waz 4,274]

i dont think it a question of people been afraid of workin there first season dogs hard in case they jib dont forget its still there first season lots of time to test them in their second season if your that confident in the breedin behind the dog surely you can wait another eight or ten months to test him and if it fails then at least you know you gave it every chance i think their are to many macho men in the game waitin for a dog to blip and then its dead just my opinion im no expert but its my thoughts on it

kevin every young dog has a bad day but its part of the learning procees and they usually learn a lot from it for any body too cull a young dog after one bad day in its fisrt season they should not own any breed of dog never mind an honest working bred terrier i see it all the time meeting lads during summer with dogs with signs of work on it ask its breeding not sure bought it in going well then following season you meet them again and ask about the dog they relpy na turned out too be a wnaker and im thinking too myself it aint the dog that was the wnaker its the same old story there s proper dog men and there s pretenders imo. lads who take there dogs seriously give the young dogs every chance some days good some days bad but with each dig it completes it should show signs of improvement learning as it goes with the bar being raised that wee bit each time and its the proper dog lads that can spot a dog that just aint got that extra gear a dog just going through the motions when its easy and lacking when it get s a bit heavy but will give dog a fair crack of whip to prove them wrong and when a decision is made too cull its been made over many days of watching dog in the field not just because he wanted too act hard in front of a crowd because the dog made a mistake in its first season its these type of fools that give this game a bad image.

 

Well said & I know one idiot that is on here for sure who should be reading this.