baw 4,360 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 I knew I'd grind you down Gnasher Tell me Gnasher, your clubs have faced Spanish teams in the cl, do you think they are better than your clubs? Better in a one off match or better over a long season ? I think in a one off game yes they are technically superior.....over a long hard season no i dont think Barcelona or Real Madrid could win our premier league on the regular basis Man Utd/Chelsea do.....i think folk underestimate just what it takes to go away to Bolton/Stoke/Blackburn etc on a cold wet Tuesday evening....Arsenal have proved over the last few years they are not comfortable doing that and they are laced with these frilly technically great players,personally i think Barcelona would struggle in our league in exactly the same way Arsenal do....the Spanish league is not too dissimilar to the Scottish league,far stronger yes but beyond the top 3 or 4 sides theres no danger and points are virtually in the bag.....its not like that in the English premier league.....i would fancy our mid/lower table teams to destroy mid/lower table Spanish teams in a one off game.... Its just not as simple as this ones better than that one. Again I shall only talk about facts rather than, what was it you said earlier on, oh yes, "It always cracks me up when you hear a mans bias and loyalty come into a debate". The facts are, in the last 15 years, 5 seperate teams have won the Spanish League, 3 the English and 2 the Scottish. Yet here you are saying the English league is more competitive than the Spanish and even go as far as to say the Spanish is the same as the Scottish competitive wise The way the english slag Scotland for being a 2 horse race when their own league has only had 1 more team in over a decade win it is totally laughable. As for Barca and co not being able to play Bolton on a cold wet Tuesday as a reason why your league is stronger makes me think the Old Firm would fit right in, or does that thoery not apply to us? I've also got to laugh at the EXCUSE given as to why Arsenal are pretty much useless and that thick arsenal fan agreeing with you. I know he likes to think his club are as good as Barca and co and this is the reason why he thinks your comments are good. But lets say you are right, imagine having a manager who builds a team suitable for foreign football but not capable to win in his own country? Do you honestly think Wenger is that thick? The english league is good at selling itself and unfortunately some folk are caught up in the hype but don't think we all are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Pick it out......., If i remember correctly didn't Mr Donowrong Giggs dive at Old Trafford to make it 3-2........ How many champions league finals has your team been in over the last few decades? They've had the same amount of chances against the same group of teams... A few one off results don't prove a teams true level. As bad as these Liverpool fans who celebrate a win over United like they've just won a league title .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) Pick it out......., If i remember correctly didn't Mr Donowrong Giggs dive at Old Trafford to make it 3-2........ How many champions league finals has your team been in over the last few decades? They've had the same amount of chances against the same group of teams... A few one off results don't prove a teams true level. As bad as these Liverpool fans who celebrate a win over United like they've just won a league title .. I know Celtic cant compete with Europes elite financially, Scotland is a small country and should be commended for supporting 2 large teams in Celtic and rangers. But back in the day when football was played on the pitch not on a finance sheet, it took Celtic to show you english how to win the European cup. These days will come again when just like the housing industry which also survived on false economy, your league will crumble. I just hope those great institutes of yours dont disappear like woolies did, now that would be sad. Edited May 22, 2011 by baw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Pick it out......., If i remember correctly didn't Mr Donowrong Giggs dive at Old Trafford to make it 3-2........ How many champions league finals has your team been in over the last few decades? They've had the same amount of chances against the same group of teams... A few one off results don't prove a teams true level. As bad as these Liverpool fans who celebrate a win over United like they've just won a league title .. None... Reason is we dont have the talent at the club cause we can afford the top players. We dont play the man u's, the barca's, the Madrids often so when we do get a chance like in the CL its a bummer when you lose to a dodgy decision.... You might be Man u Malt but you never come up to Glasgow and get it easy..........no way.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 None... Reason is we dont have the talent at the club cause we can afford the top players. We dont play the man u's, the barca's, the Madrids often so when we do get a chance like in the CL its a bummer when you lose to a dodgy decision.... You might be Man u Malt but you never come up to Glasgow and get it easy..........no way.... I wouldn't expect any English team to get it easy against either of the old firm teams Lab, home or away.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Thank f**k the footy's done with for another season at least I've got wimbledon to look forward too and that Fanny Murray choking in the semi's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,464 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) Baw when you talk like this you remind me of a child trying to pick up a wet bar of soap !....Look,at risk of offending you,Scottish football is shit,you know that and i know that.....whether its beyond repair i dont know or indeed care very much.But people like you trying to drag the English game down just because your own game is shit is quite laughable,to then drag Spanish statistics into the argument to try to give your points some validity just reek of desperation ! One minute you want to debate what happens on a football pitch as facts,the next minute you want to debate what happens on a statistics sheet as facts,then you want to debate what happens on a financial spread sheets as facts.......all to try and back up some pathetic argument that doesnt take a clever person to work out ! Now you want to start blaming Arsene Wenger for trying to play good football.....I guarentee you there is not a manager in world football who could have done what he has done,infact he is EXACTLY what Rangers/Celtic would need if ever you was to come down here....he qualifies for champions league football year in year out while spending virtually nothing while playing attractive football and most important of all while not going into ridiculous debt having just moved to one of the elite grounds in world football.....the only fault i put on him/the club is they should have been honest with their fans from the start and not promised success every year.....but then he,s hardly going to say " we wont win anything yet " is he.....Arsenal are the most well run club in Britain...with a bit more ambition from the board they could be the most succesful on the pitch also in my opinion. Edited May 22, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Thank f**k the footy's done with for another season at least I've got wimbledon to look forward too and that Fanny Murray choking in the semi's LOL, was going to put up an argument up for him but I possibly hate him more than you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Baw when you talk like this you remind me of a child trying to pick up a wet bar of soap !....Look,at risk of offending you,Scottish football is shit,you know that and i know that.....whether its beyond repair i dont know or indeed care very much.But people like you trying to drag the English game down just because your own game is shit is quite laughable,to then drag Spanish statistics into the argument to try to give your points some validity just reek of desperation ! One minute you want to debate what happens on a football pitch as facts,the next minute you want to debate what happens on a statistics sheet as facts,then you want to debate what happens on a financial spread sheets as facts.......all to try and back up some pathetic argument that doesnt take a clever person to work out ! Now you want to start blaming Arsene Wenger for trying to play good football.....I guarentee you there is not a manager in world football who could have done what he has done,infact he is EXACTLY what Rangers/Celtic would need if ever you was to come down here....he qualifies for champions league football year in year out while spending virtually nothing while playing attractive football and most important of all while not going into ridiculous debt having just moved to one of the elite grounds in world football.....the only fault i put on him/the club is they should have been honest with their fans from the start and not promised success every year.....but then he,s hardly going to say " we wont win anything yet " is he.....Arsenal are the most well run club in Britain...with a bit more ambition from the board they could be the most succesful on the pitch also in my opinion. Theres another thread asking "how too make money with 2k?"..............well if Arsenal go out and buy a prolific goalscorer for next season then i'd stick the 2k on them winning the league..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Theres another thread asking "how too make money with 2k?"..............well if Arsenal go out and buy a prolific goalscorer for next season then i'd stick the 2k on them winning the league..... They'd only wreak him Lab! f**k knows what they do in training at Arsenal, but when their top players are injured, they seem to be injured for bloody ages.. If they could keep their top players fit, they'd be in with a chance. Robin Van Persie is an awesome striker, IMO. The problem is he always seems to miss half the season. They could also be doing with a few decent (fit..) defenders and most crucially a world class goalkeeper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Scottish teams cant compete on the same level as the English clubs due to the finances. The SPL is badly run by self serving individuals who are out to line their pockets. You only have to look at the deal with Santanta to see how short sighted they are. We get something like 5million to share among the SPL and the teams being relegated from the premiership have a parachute payment of over 30 million, you dont have to be a genius to work out why our game is rotten. Even in the good old days all the scottish,welsh & irish teams were only ever feeder clubs for the the top English sides who cherry picked all the top players for themselves. They dont need to do that now with the money from Sky they can continue to attract the best players from all over the world who lets face it are only here for the money. If the Sky deal ever goes down the swanny and the arabs and russians leave how many English sides would disappear. This isn't sour grapes it's just the way it is. As a country we are not developing players like we did 20 30 yrs ago its gone and I dont know if it'll ever come back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Theres another thread asking "how too make money with 2k?"..............well if Arsenal go out and buy a prolific goalscorer for next season then i'd stick the 2k on them winning the league..... They'd only wreak him Lab! f**k knows what they do in training at Arsenal, but when their top players are injured, they seem to be injured for bloody ages.. If they could keep their top players fit, they'd be in with a chance. Robin Van Persie is an awesome striker, IMO. The problem is he always seems to miss half the season. They could also be doing with a few decent (fit..) defenders and most crucially a world class goalkeeper. I'd still have a world class striker playing of the likes of Van persie......a world class keeper would be key as well as they dont half save you loads of points in a season. They can come and get Alan McGregor if they like....or do you want him?....Take the c**t away.....pain the f*****g arse so he is.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SLiP tHe DoG ! 129 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 baw man thick head ive never once praised arsenal that wasnt my point , scottish league sucks end of . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 baw man thick head ive never once praised arsenal that wasnt my point , scottish league sucks end of . Canny be arsed argueing anymore, you have your views, I have mine. We are both happy with what we have. Walter, Your a Legend Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,464 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Theres another thread asking "how too make money with 2k?"..............well if Arsenal go out and buy a prolific goalscorer for next season then i'd stick the 2k on them winning the league..... I couldnt agree more....if they had a couple of old fashioned English centre halfs and an Ian Wright type finisher they would be a very hard side to beat,they make so many chances in and around the box Ian Wright would be in his element. YOu look at the side on paper and theres not really any players you would swap for Utd or Chelseas equivalent player.....yet they are always up and around there....trouble i think they will have is unless they do buy a few players to finish the team off they are likely to lose kids like Ramsey/Wiltshire.....young kids want to be winning stuff not building for the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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