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[bird 9,984]

Oh right, i never realised that playing with them was the build up to this i thought that would be al he would do. Ok back to basics and il make sure he gets the idea this time.

 

 

you want the pup to be (oblivious) to them, there are just part of the back ground, thats what sheep+lambs should be to the pup or dog. Thats what you are trying get, not over fiendly towards them. Do this and you should be ok , but as the pup as had a go at one, never take your eyes of him. Best of luck you might need it with him.!

[Guest joball]

 

Well maybe hes willing to try and put enough effort and time in to fix the solution rather than saying f**k it and having done with it either by shooting it or pts at a vets.Facts are the dogs young enough to re learn and yes your right probs was his fault for letting the dog get to that level of excitement in the first place but listen to yourself really here.You never made any mistakes with your dog? So what if i have to watch not muzzle watch my dog round strange people at least i know he will never be stolen or wander off with a stranger.I muzzle my dog cos of dog is where i live all off lead bouncing up barking and going mad and he doesnt like it.At least unlike most im trying to prevent a bad fight occuring or someone else too stupid to care enough to be careful with their dogs from getting hurt.Some people on here need to take a good hard look you jump down everyones throat for every little thing he asked for sensible advice not a f*****g mob ffs.

 

Whilst I admire your sentiment Ethyl. The time for sentiment has passed, what is needed is cold hard facts. People come on a forum and ask advice and it always seems to be after the fact. Would it not be better if people took the time to learn how to prevent such events taking place in the first place?

 

Obviously, he has not a clue on how to stock break a dog. But, instead of asking for advice he just takes the dog out and once it had chased the sheep, he let it off the lead to chase them again with the consequence of the lamb being killed. I was always taught that you are responsible for your own actions.

 

And yes when I was very young I had a dog that would kill sheep. All the above remedies were tried, they worked to a certain degree but she could never be trusted around livestock of any kind. And when she killed a piglet in front of a farmer I am afraid that was her last. It was a very hard lesson to learn but, it has stood me in good stead for the last 45 years.

 

I do not believe in getting personnel but, you seem to have a big heart and I think it rules your head somewhat. To own a dog you have to try and think like a dog. Dogs do not think like humans they think like dogs, the sooner people cotton on to that, the better their dogs lives will be.

 

I am not normally so critical but it does wind me up somewhat when people get dogs and do not take on the responsibility of training the dogs properly. No one is born knowing how to train a dog it has to be learnt. It is incumbent of you when you do get a dog, to teach the dog what is acceptable and what is not. If you are not willing to learn how to do this then don't get a dog.

 

TC

 

 

Very good reply mate from an experienced working dog man, not someone who is blinkered and thinks working dogs are humans and describes there dogs as phyco'sand lets them run around loose to run around golfers etc and thinks its a laughing matter, no wonder why where looked at in a bad light.

[Tiercel 6,986]

And here are todays selection of retarded c**ts!

 

 

Shoot it! Then it will never chase kill a sheep again. Passing it on to a pet home will not stop it killing sheep.

 

TC

 

 

 

 

 

How can anybody be so f*****g idiotic?! Shoot a dog for one mistake. Sensible people have given good advice on this thread mate, just ignore this couple of spastics.

 

 

 

Would you be giving that advice if it was on your permission that his dog killed the sheep on? He obviously has not told the farmer that his dog has killed the lamb or offered to pay for it. So who is the farmer going to blame?

 

Listen sonny, I have forgotton more about training dogs than you will ever learn. The advice is good because as sure as eggs are aggs that dog will kill again.

 

Just read what he has to say when told that he should have put the dog on the lead after the first time it chased them.

 

Oh right, i never realised that playing with them was the build up to this i thought that would be al he would do. Ok back to basics and il make sure he gets the idea this time.

 

It's not the dog, it's him he does not have a clue. What did he think the dog was going to do when he eventually caught a sheep? In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing the dog may have come good but with him it has no chance.

 

TC

[MOO 730]

Two options there rehome the dog to a pet home or really go back to basics and scare him shitless off the sheep

I totally agree with going back to basics but totally disagree of makeing him scared shitless off sheep for one I cant see how that would be achieved .

Just get the dog back amongst sheep preferably with a live stock broken dog ....imo when breaking dogs to livestock you need to go about it differant from sheep and cattle .

Cattle will approach and surround you and your dog so keep everything calm and alwyas reassure your dog that everything is ok as it must be very donting for a young dog to be surrounded by these huge animals ...for me is keeping everything calm and repeating the proccess will break the dog to livestock .

Sheep are a differant matter as they want to run from the dog bringing out its chaseing instincts so keeping the dog on a lead again with another broken dog and once again keep everything calm and checking the dog if he takes an interest in them ....the end result is you want your young dog to not be scared of livestock but to not even they are even there acknowledge they are there .

[MOO 730]

And here are todays selection of retarded c**ts!

 

 

Shoot it! Then it will never chase kill a sheep again. Passing it on to a pet home will not stop it killing sheep.

 

TC

 

 

 

 

 

How can anybody be so f*****g idiotic?! Shoot a dog for one mistake. Sensible people have given good advice on this thread mate, just ignore this couple of spastics.

 

 

 

Would you be giving that advice if it was on your permission that his dog killed the sheep on? He obviously has not told the farmer that his dog has killed the lamb or offered to pay for it. So who is the farmer going to blame?

 

Listen sonny, I have forgotton more about training dogs than you will ever learn. The advice is good because as sure as eggs are aggs that dog will kill again.Just read what he has to say when told that he should have put the dog on the lead after the first time it chased them.

 

Oh right, i never realised that playing with them was the build up to this i thought that would be al he would do. Ok back to basics and il make sure he gets the idea this time.

 

It's not the dog, it's him he does not have a clue. What did he think the dog was going to do when he eventually caught a sheep? In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing the dog may have come good but with him it has no chance.

 

TC

Listen Barbara Woodhouse if you knew so much about training dogs you would know that a sheep worrying dog can be cured

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would you be giving that advice if it was on your permission that his dog killed the sheep on? He obviously has not told the farmer that his dog has killed the lamb or offered to pay for it. So who is the farmer going to blame?

 

Listen sonny, I have forgotton more about training dogs than you will ever learn. The advice is good because as sure as eggs are aggs that dog will kill again.Just read what he has to say when told that he should have put the dog on the lead after the first time it chased them.

 

Oh right, i never realised that playing with them was the build up to this i thought that would be al he would do. Ok back to basics and il make sure he gets the idea this time.

 

It's not the dog, it's him he does not have a clue. What did he think the dog was going to do when he eventually caught a sheep? In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing the dog may have come good but with him it has no chance.

 

TC

Listen Barbara Woodhouse if you knew so much about training dogs you would know that a sheep worrying dog can be cured

 

What part of the quote in bold did you not understand. I know that some dogs can be cured, in experienced hands. But, he does not have the experience. The dog is just too strong for him and as he has lost the battle to keep the dog under control, he will never get it back.

 

Dogs are not like humans they are like dogs. They think like dogs and act like dogs, and if you cannot get into that frame of thinking you will never train a dog properly. There is nothing hard about breaking dogs to livestock but obviously he thought that walking a dog through a field of sheep off the lead, they way to do it.

 

TC

[bird 9,984]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would you be giving that advice if it was on your permission that his dog killed the sheep on? He obviously has not told the farmer that his dog has killed the lamb or offered to pay for it. So who is the farmer going to blame?

 

Listen sonny, I have forgotton more about training dogs than you will ever learn. The advice is good because as sure as eggs are aggs that dog will kill again.Just read what he has to say when told that he should have put the dog on the lead after the first time it chased them.

 

Oh right, i never realised that playing with them was the build up to this i thought that would be al he would do. Ok back to basics and il make sure he gets the idea this time.

 

It's not the dog, it's him he does not have a clue. What did he think the dog was going to do when he eventually caught a sheep? In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing the dog may have come good but with him it has no chance.

 

TC

Listen Barbara Woodhouse if you knew so much about training dogs you would know that a sheep worrying dog can be cured

 

What part of the quote in bold did you not understand. I know that some dogs can be cured, in experienced hands. But, he does not have the experience. The dog is just too strong for him and as he has lost the battle to keep the dog under control, he will never get it back.

 

Dogs are not like humans they are like dogs. They think like dogs and act like dogs, and if you cannot get into that frame of thinking you will never train a dog properly. There is nothing hard about breaking dogs to livestock but obviously he thought that walking a dog through a field of sheep off the lead, they way to do it.

 

TC

 

 

 

thumbs: , the real tester is when dog as been on game that day or night, because if the dog as had run on quarry and not caught, and is on its way back to you and bumps in to a lamb or sheep. Thats when you know it proper stock broke, when its wound up. Alot of dogs can+will (walk) through stock with there owner, and yes you have to start there.But its not the real test, so if a dog as had go once, it can be a hard up hill battle. But just try your best with whats been said.!

[adamb20 22]

The pup was steady as any thing its been with my sheep all the time since young ive got pictures of it licking lambs noses u fukin pricks. He had jus been watching other dogs chase deer and the influence of other dog what caused it. I know i can turn this dog from this is was an over excited mistake, ive spenr every day with. Him since fifteen weeks i know my dog. He is a very vert game dog with lots of drive, i will channel this drive onto game and make sure i break him to stock, if i fail i will do the right thing.

[mackel 31]

adam was not going to reply as some had given you sound advice

its a well known fact that if you break your dog to sheep and then hunt deer

some times your stock breaking to sheep again.

another point is when you break your dog to live stock

and is 100% does not mean your dogs likes another dog to even walk in their direction.especially if its a strange dog.

and if he is the jelous type like in some terrier crosses he will want the sheep for him self

if a dog even makes eye contact with sheep he must be given a slap

where i hunt fields are small and even stock broken dogs need a lead

as sheep will head for ditches.

mack

[DogMagic 461]

Would you be giving that advice if it was on your permission that his dog killed the sheep on? He obviously has not told the farmer that his dog has killed the lamb or offered to pay for it. So who is the farmer going to blame?

 

Listen sonny, I have forgotton more about training dogs than you will ever learn. The advice is good because as sure as eggs are aggs that dog will kill again.

 

Just read what he has to say when told that he should have put the dog on the lead after the first time it chased them.

 

If you knew that much you wouldnt be openly advising him to shoot his dog you thick mothers c**t!

[lurcher330 2,301]

The pup was steady as any thing its been with my sheep all the time since young ive got pictures of it licking lambs noses u fukin pricks. He had jus been watching other dogs chase deer and the influence of other dog what caused it. I know i can turn this dog from this is was an over excited mistake, ive spenr every day with. Him since fifteen weeks i know my dog. He is a very vert game dog with lots of drive, i will channel this drive onto game and make sure i break him to stock, if i fail i will do the right thing.

 

if you know your dog you should not have let him off the lead in a field with sheep and lambs.the bottom line is you will never be able to trust him around sheep again and being one of those stupid saluki xs he would be slow to cop on to any training never mind stock breaking after he has all ready found a taste for sheep.but if your fond of your dog just dont work him around sheep anymore .i have a bitch i bought a few months back i use her on large game and i know given half a chance she would take a sheep or a lamb no doubt so i only work her in certain places and i have a bitch i do the same sort of work with and she will run her quarry through a field of sheep and if she misses she will stroll back with out even looking at the sheep but the diffrence is i know her because i have her from 6 weeks old and she was stock broke the right way. she was walked around fields of sheep from about 12 weeks old on the lead and each time she showed any interest in the sheep i would give her a good chuck on the lead and was let know that they are not for her and another was i never show any interest in them either .

[Cold Ethyl 63]

 

Well maybe hes willing to try and put enough effort and time in to fix the solution rather than saying f**k it and having done with it either by shooting it or pts at a vets.Facts are the dogs young enough to re learn and yes your right probs was his fault for letting the dog get to that level of excitement in the first place but listen to yourself really here.You never made any mistakes with your dog? So what if i have to watch not muzzle watch my dog round strange people at least i know he will never be stolen or wander off with a stranger.I muzzle my dog cos of dog is where i live all off lead bouncing up barking and going mad and he doesnt like it.At least unlike most im trying to prevent a bad fight occuring or someone else too stupid to care enough to be careful with their dogs from getting hurt.Some people on here need to take a good hard look you jump down everyones throat for every little thing he asked for sensible advice not a f*****g mob ffs.

 

Whilst I admire your sentiment Ethyl. The time for sentiment has passed, what is needed is cold hard facts. People come on a forum and ask advice and it always seems to be after the fact. Would it not be better if people took the time to learn how to prevent such events taking place in the first place?

 

Obviously, he has not a clue on how to stock break a dog. But, instead of asking for advice he just takes the dog out and once it had chased the sheep, he let it off the lead to chase them again with the consequence of the lamb being killed. I was always taught that you are responsible for your own actions.

 

And yes when I was very young I had a dog that would kill sheep. All the above remedies were tried, they worked to a certain degree but she could never be trusted around livestock of any kind. And when she killed a piglet in front of a farmer I am afraid that was her last. It was a very hard lesson to learn but, it has stood me in good stead for the last 45 years.

 

I do not believe in getting personnel but, you seem to have a big heart and I think it rules your head somewhat. To own a dog you have to try and think like a dog. Dogs do not think like humans they think like dogs, the sooner people cotton on to that, the better their dogs lives will be.

 

I am not normally so critical but it does wind me up somewhat when people get dogs and do not take on the responsibility of training the dogs properly. No one is born knowing how to train a dog it has to be learnt. It is incumbent of you when you do get a dog, to teach the dog what is acceptable and what is not. If you are not willing to learn how to do this then don't get a dog.

 

TC

 

 

Very good reply mate from an experienced working dog man, not someone who is blinkered and thinks working dogs are humans and describes there dogs as phyco'sand lets them run around loose to run around golfers etc and thinks its a laughing matter, no wonder why where looked at in a bad light.

 

You really should get a hold of yourself i do not think my dogs are humans but because i treat them with respect and give them a good decent life you seem to think i do.Some of the advice youve given i wouldnt let you keep a fish as a pet nevermind a f*****g dog.People like you should be neutered theres enough wankers in the world.

Adam i wish you all the best mate and hope you will work hard with your little hound at least your trying and not just giving in at the first hurdle.No wonder with all this crap they get a bad name

[Guest joball]

Trueth hurts lol.

Edited May 16, 2011 by joball

[Cold Ethyl 63]

It might do but ive yet to hear the truth LMAO might want to get your facts straight and stop barking and bitching at everyone.Maybe your doctor can help you with the removal of the stick stuck up your arse and give you something to ease your pmt mate ive heard evening primrose oil works wonders

[whippet 99 2,613]

And here are todays selection of retarded c**ts!

 

 

Shoot it! Then it will never chase kill a sheep again. Passing it on to a pet home will not stop it killing sheep.

 

TC

 

 

i wouldnt hesitate i would of gone home got the gun and shot him once he has tasted the blood he will always do it mate sorry this may seem harsh but thats the only qure

 

 

How can anybody be so f*****g idiotic?! Shoot a dog for one mistake. Sensible people have given good advice on this thread mate, just ignore this couple of spastics.

the main reason behind the shooting sinarios is its easier too shoot them than spend hours training them, easy way out , i would think more of a man who could turn a dog around