Ideation 8,216 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 imo theres nothing funny about a dog jacking,when you brought it up from a pup put all time effot in then jacks is heart breaking knowing you got to start all over again, all dogs are jackers mate, sorry tae burst yer bubble, ye push them hard enuff an they jack.......................simples yep any fool can jack a dog,but 7/10 its the owners more than the dog looking for the world beater,dont get me wrong jackers are born but more are made by the owners, i understand people have stanards but these top notch dogs that you can push and push are very few and far apart every dog haves its limits its knowing them Also mate it's how you push it, take a piece of springy wood for a bow for example, if you bend it gently and slowly you can bend it quite far and get a good shape to it, if you do it roughly and suddenly it will snap. Same with dogs, they are flesh and bone, so some folk will be to do what is neccessary to get them to push and push and push and get them to keep on giving, and others will push too fast too soon and f**k them. I also think the bond between dog and man could play a part, a dog will push itself further and harder for one man than it would for another, just like any other animal. So do ye think if ye try a dog on a fallow buck in the rutt and it gets its ass handed to it on a plate then does the walk of shame with its tail between its legs it will go steaming back in because it has a strong bond with ye ?? I didn't say that did i mate? That's the most extreme situation you could think of. I just think that in some situations its POSSIBLE (hence i said could) that a dog could put its heart into something more for someone it had a strong bond with rather than someone who has just bought it. I mean its a pack animal that is hunting for you the alpha of the pack. I dunno mate i'm just thinking out loud, not looking for an argument. Quote Link to post
hedz31 1,308 Posted May 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 imo theres nothing funny about a dog jacking,when you brought it up from a pup put all time effot in then jacks is heart breaking knowing you got to start all over again, all dogs are jackers mate, sorry tae burst yer bubble, ye push them hard enuff an they jack.......................simples yep any fool can jack a dog,but 7/10 its the owners more than the dog looking for the world beater,dont get me wrong jackers are born but more are made by the owners, i understand people have stanards but these top notch dogs that you can push and push are very few and far apart every dog haves its limits its knowing them Also mate it's how you push it, take a piece of springy wood for a bow for example, if you bend it gently and slowly you can bend it quite far and get a good shape to it, if you do it roughly and suddenly it will snap. Same with dogs, they are flesh and bone, so some folk will be to do what is neccessary to get them to push and push and push and get them to keep on giving, and others will push too fast too soon and f**k them. I also think the bond between dog and man could play a part, a dog will push itself further and harder for one man than it would for another, just like any other animal. So do ye think if ye try a dog on a fallow buck in the rutt and it gets its ass handed to it on a plate then does the walk of shame with its tail between its legs it will go steaming back in because it has a strong bond with ye ?? I didn't say that did i mate? That's the most extreme situation you could think of. I just think that in some situations its POSSIBLE (hence i said could) that a dog could put its heart into something more for someone it had a strong bond with rather than someone who has just bought it. I mean its a pack animal that is hunting for you the alpha of the pack. I dunno mate i'm just thinking out loud, not looking for an argument. Lol i know ye aint mate its just a point i put across and no its not the most extreme situation i could think of there is other tests thats just 1 example Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 imo theres nothing funny about a dog jacking,when you brought it up from a pup put all time effot in then jacks is heart breaking knowing you got to start all over again, all dogs are jackers mate, sorry tae burst yer bubble, ye push them hard enuff an they jack.......................simples yep any fool can jack a dog,but 7/10 its the owners more than the dog looking for the world beater,dont get me wrong jackers are born but more are made by the owners, i understand people have stanards but these top notch dogs that you can push and push are very few and far apart every dog haves its limits its knowing them Also mate it's how you push it, take a piece of springy wood for a bow for example, if you bend it gently and slowly you can bend it quite far and get a good shape to it, if you do it roughly and suddenly it will snap. Same with dogs, they are flesh and bone, so some folk will be to do what is neccessary to get them to push and push and push and get them to keep on giving, and others will push too fast too soon and f**k them. I also think the bond between dog and man could play a part, a dog will push itself further and harder for one man than it would for another, just like any other animal. So do ye think if ye try a dog on a fallow buck in the rutt and it gets its ass handed to it on a plate then does the walk of shame with its tail between its legs it will go steaming back in because it has a strong bond with ye ?? I didn't say that did i mate? That's the most extreme situation you could think of. I just think that in some situations its POSSIBLE (hence i said could) that a dog could put its heart into something more for someone it had a strong bond with rather than someone who has just bought it. I mean its a pack animal that is hunting for you the alpha of the pack. I dunno mate i'm just thinking out loud, not looking for an argument. Lol i know ye aint mate its just a point i put across and no its not the most extreme situation i could think of there is other tests thats just 1 example True. But do you get what i'm saying? A lot of folk buy a dog and expect it to work 'right out of the box', but a dogs an animal, and when you gee it into / onto something, how much the dog wants to please you, must play some small part. I know its not going to make an incappable dog capable, but it could make that extra bit of difference Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 imo theres nothing funny about a dog jacking,when you brought it up from a pup put all time effot in then jacks is heart breaking knowing you got to start all over again, all dogs are jackers mate, sorry tae burst yer bubble, ye push them hard enuff an they jack.......................simples yep any fool can jack a dog,but 7/10 its the owners more than the dog looking for the world beater,dont get me wrong jackers are born but more are made by the owners, i understand people have stanards but these top notch dogs that you can push and push are very few and far apart every dog haves its limits its knowing them Also mate it's how you push it, take a piece of springy wood for a bow for example, if you bend it gently and slowly you can bend it quite far and get a good shape to it, if you do it roughly and suddenly it will snap. Same with dogs, they are flesh and bone, so some folk will be to do what is neccessary to get them to push and push and push and get them to keep on giving, and others will push too fast too soon and f**k them. I also think the bond between dog and man could play a part, a dog will push itself further and harder for one man than it would for another, just like any other animal. So do ye think if ye try a dog on a fallow buck in the rutt and it gets its ass handed to it on a plate then does the walk of shame with its tail between its legs it will go steaming back in because it has a strong bond with ye ?? I didn't say that did i mate? That's the most extreme situation you could think of. I just think that in some situations its POSSIBLE (hence i said could) that a dog could put its heart into something more for someone it had a strong bond with rather than someone who has just bought it. I mean its a pack animal that is hunting for you the alpha of the pack. I dunno mate i'm just thinking out loud, not looking for an argument. I would agree with you about bond my dog works his heart out for me but my wife's bitch which I havnt the best bond with lol if I take her without my mrs she'l just watch them trot off 90% of the time. Really dam frustrating But when my wife comes for a walk and brings her she'l work like a little diamond. The bitch is collie grey x beddy grey. Must be about the bond in some cases when efforts concerned. Quote Link to post
johnnylestershair 78 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 some dog men want a dog that people will talk about it makes them feel good i dont no why because i dont worry what people think of my dogs so long as they enjoy what they do the word jacking just means that some dogs have a better brain than some put it this way would u put your hand in a fire no because u have a brain and that is the same with some dogs they just wise up after a bit i would not get rid of a dog because it jacked i would look at why it jacked some times there is very good reasons so u remeber u have nothing to prove to anyone Quote Link to post
Moll. 1,770 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 the thread was intended for funny stories of dogs jacking etc we've all had them if were honest ye know the ones where ye have either laughed or hid ye head in shame seems most folk have either had a mate thats had a dog jack or someone eles dog lol come on fellas be truthful ye must of had some dogs throw in the towel on ye When the whippet was younger, i came across a fox in the middle of a field one night, i should'nt have i know, but wanted to see what happened! Put the lamp on the fox and it stood still, Boo went trotting up to it, tail high, looking as aggressive as hell. The fox just froze almost nose to nose with the whippet. It seemed like an eternity they were stood like that, then the fox as calm as can be just turned around and slowly trotted away, Boo came running back to me wagging his tail and grinning from ear to ear....with that kind of "Wow, did you see that, did ye, did ye" kind of look about him. It was like the fox just realised that skinny thing in front of him was not going to be a problem 1 Quote Link to post
Giro 2,648 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Touch wood none of mine have been half hearted or jacked however my pal aint been so lucky.. Some times its a two way street the handler fails the dog, sometimes its just not ment to be.. When folk talk about dogs not taking foxes I think that completely different to pulling up on hares or rabbits.. The dogs should want to chase eveything, be doing kartwheels on the lead. Quote Link to post
hedz31 1,308 Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Touch wood none of mine have been half hearted or jacked however my pal aint been so lucky.. Some times its a two way street the handler fails the dog, sometimes its just not ment to be.. When folk talk about dogs not taking foxes I think that completely different to pulling up on hares or rabbits.. The dogs should want to chase eveything, be doing kartwheels on the lead. Feck me this thread's 7 or 8 month old ye have been going back Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,788 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Theres a DVD about "Jerry" the coursing dog, and on it is what looks like a pure Saluki running a daytime fox; the fox suddenly stops and turns to face the dog; the dog hits the brakes, starts back peddling and the fox saunters off !! LOL !! Cheers. Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,327 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Touch wood none of mine have been half hearted or jacked however my pal aint been so lucky.. Some times its a two way street the handler fails the dog, sometimes its just not ment to be.. When folk talk about dogs not taking foxes I think that completely different to pulling up on hares or rabbits.. The dogs should want to chase eveything, be doing kartwheels on the lead. Yeah,spot on Giro...like you say sometimes it just ain't meant to be..i've owned two in the past one which i took in after a lad had topped himself and not because the dog was a jacker! ..and more sickening was one i bred and reared from a pup..it had it all,wind,speed the whole shebang but it just didn't have the same desire for the game as me..well not always lol..he just done it as and when he wanted...when he went he was a machine so off to pastures new he went and nigh on 13 years later is still living life on the couch..he's done a bit here and there and the lad even bred a litter of pups out of him...me..i'd not of touched em with a barge pole BUT the pups are excellent dogs and never shown an inclination of what their sire did and they have several good seasons under their belts now so it just shows that in this game nothing can be taken as absolute certain? ATB Andy. 1 Quote Link to post
TonyOrmy 128 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I take it all you lads that think when a dog jacks then its PTS know when your dog is carrying a hidden injury....? Just a question...not an arguement.. i beleive that after a ceratiain amount a experience/time in dogs (an that will be diffrent for diffrent folk, some are naturals, some never figure shit oot) that you can tell if a dog is trying, it should be even more apparent if you have brought dog on from a pup, but after seeing a dog work a few times, i can generally tell if it wants to run or not when its time to be slipped.... i must add, that if/when a dog a mine jacks, its not geed its p45 there an then, 1st ill ask me self some serious questions.... tho to be fair if i dont know them answers before i work the dog, i shouldnae be in the game lol but what im trying to say is, if a dog jacks oot the blue, you should have a good idea of why it did, if it was a niggling undetected injury, or just sheer over work, then only a fool would balme the dog, tho if dog starts picking an choosing runs, or just blatant jacking or running half hearted then chances are its never gonna be a good un..... thats just way i see it Nice reply mate......... The reason i asked as i was brought up around Greyhounds..Often my Dad would, and still does get asked to look after dogs and see if he can get them winning. The amount of dogs he's had that arrive in a terrrible state with hidden injuries is unreal and these dogs would'nt put the effort in on the track but after a few months of good grub and a few visits getting the dog rubbed down and back into shape the difference was incredible..... spot on there mate atb tony Quote Link to post
john*1 17 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 i was out one night with a couple of my mates an 1 of my mates had an 11month old bull cross pup with him we were lamping an i noticed a hare as we were getting closer we could notice the hare looked injured so i said to my mate slip the pup on it put the hare out its missery an give the pup a wee taste for it the pup runs down picks the hare up then the hare turns round an bites the pup lol the pup lets out a yelp an runs straight back to us well could wee not stop laughing well apart from the guy who owned the pup lets just say the next time i spoke to him he got rid of the pup he said it would not even pick a rabbit up after that night lol Quote Link to post
iceman001979 1,316 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 You can the best the breeding and bring a pup up the best you can.Start them early or start them late it does not matter if it does not have it does not have it simple.But lots people look at jacking in different ways.Lots people can get mixed up in a dog jacking or just not having the tools for the job.Not being fit enough and pushed until they have to stop and cant go on. Quote Link to post
leegreen 2,173 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Most if not all can be made to jack Quote Link to post
iceman001979 1,316 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Most if not all can be made to jack Your right its up to the owner to know his or her dogs limits Quote Link to post
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