line bred pups or start from scratch????

[Bogger 243]

  On 12/05/2011 at 16:02, Romany said:

  On 12/05/2011 at 10:51, Bogger said:

be interesting to see what some of the older users think on this subject come on lads dont make me start naming you all

 

Go on Bogger, name and shame

 

feck it ok johnnyboy68,ideation,malt,stabba,hedzand last but not least baw now these boys have seen some snow so should have some good input

[sweeper 156]

i personally prefer line bred dogs due to the fact that in most cases youve personally seen the dogs generations progress to what you have now but i struggle to understand properly what it takes for a line to be YOURS has whatever dog you start with came from somebody else...????any views from more knowlegable folk appreciated but this said you carnt beat a 1st x for allround proper work afterall thats where these line bred dogs started surley? regards

[stewie 3,387]

  On 12/05/2011 at 22:56, sweeper said:

i personally prefer line bred dogs due to the fact that in most cases youve personally seen the dogs generations progress to what you have now but i struggle to understand properly what it takes for a line to be YOURS has whatever dog you start with came from somebody else...????any views from more knowlegable folk appreciated but this said you carnt beat a 1st x for allround proper work afterall thats where these line bred dogs started surley? regards

thats my point mate all lines started somewhere i guess its each to there own as long as your happy with whats in the kennel nothing else matters

[3 Turns 326]

ALRIGHT MATE .

START YOUR OWN LINE.

LEARN BYE YOUR OWN MISTAKES.

DONT SPEND SILLY CASH FOR SHITE.USE YOUR OWN INSTINCT,KEEP 3BITCHES AND SEE HOW YOU FARE.

 

3 DIFFERENT SIRES.

 

SORRY MATE THINKIN IN A BUBBLE.

KEEP A BITCH BACK AND WAIT TILL YOU SEE A REAL/DEAL.

ATB 3TS

Edited May 12, 2011 by 3 Turns

[Ideation 8,216]

I'd say in general line bred, assuming you can go back a decent way, say 3 gens, and see that you have good dogs, it should in theory throw more litter consistency, if you use the right types of dogs. I.e half x to half x etc etc etc if you pick the right dogs can produce a litter of bigger dogs (example) consistently across a litter, than a straight 1st x. How that sound?

[DogMagic 461]

I wouldnt want to start from scratch. If you mate a pure grey to a pure collie for example you will get some that throw to the grey and some that throw to the collie. The ones that throw to the grey will be worth a look. Some make it and most wont. If your VERY lucky the one you picked will be the one that does make it. Others will throw to the collie and not be something i would want other than to further x with, perhaps to a pure.

 

Line breeding is a much better bet in my opinion. You take a dog that is doing the business and a bitch that is doing the business and put them together. The resulting puppies should ALL be worth a look rather than just some and MOST will probably be capable of putting on a good show and at least one should be the bollox. Hopefully that will be the one youve picked out. If not it should still be a goodun.

 

I have a collie grey dog that is doing the business. I am more than happy with him. I wont say what he does but he does everything i ask of him and he does it with style! I also have a young saluki, grey, whippet x whippet bitch. She is showing great promise. To young to say but so far i have every confidence in her. She is fast as fook, turns on a 6 pence and has stamina in places most dogs dont even have places! Lol! Now in a couple of years, if she does come good i will be putting the collie grey over her without a doubt. And i will certainly be keeping a pup out of the mating and i will KNOW its going to turn out above avarage because i wont put them together unless she turns out to be as good as my collie grey.

 

In a nut shell i see line breeding as the only way to go.

[Ideation 8,216]

The only thing with line breeding, is it IS handy when someone else manages to produce a cracking 1/2 or 3/4 bred dog or bitch, or the line breeding thing can go to pot.

[3 Turns 326]

MAGIC WHY NOT START FROM SCRATCH.

[stewie 3,387]

  On 12/05/2011 at 23:11, 3 Turns said:

ALRIGHT MATE .

START YOUR OWN LINE.

LEARN BYE YOUR OWN MISTAKES.

DONT SPEND SILLY CASH FOR SHITE.USE YOUR OWN INSTINCT,KEEP 3BITCHES AND SEE HOW YOU FARE.

 

3 DIFFERENT SIRES.

 

SORRY MATE THINKIN IN A BUBBLE.

KEEP A BITCH BACK AND WAIT TILL YOU SEE A REAL/DEAL.

ATB 3TS

3 turns i want to take your serious but the goofy avatar and caps lock put me off mate :laugh: FFS please turn them off!!!! but your spot on what you say about instinct i guess thats what it all boils down to deep down you will no if a dog/bitch are worth breeding off or not

[poacher3161 1,766]

I always found it funny that D.B.Plummer would always promote f1x and 3 quarter breds in his books but kept close line bred lurchers himself.

[stewie 3,387]

  On 12/05/2011 at 23:25, DogMagic said:

I wouldnt want to start from scratch. If you mate a pure grey to a pure collie for example you will get some that throw to the grey and some that throw to the collie. The ones that throw to the grey will be worth a look. Some make it and most wont. If your VERY lucky the one you picked will be the one that does make it. Others will throw to the collie and not be something i would want other than to further x with, perhaps to a pure.

 

Line breeding is a much better bet in my opinion. You take a dog that is doing the business and a bitch that is doing the business and put them together. The resulting puppies should ALL be worth a look rather than just some and MOST will probably be capable of putting on a good show and at least one should be the bollox. Hopefully that will be the one youve picked out. If not it should still be a goodun.

 

I have a collie grey dog that is doing the business. I am more than happy with him. I wont say what he does but he does everything i ask of him and he does it with style! I also have a young saluki, grey, whippet x whippet bitch. She is showing great promise. To young to say but so far i have every confidence in her. She is fast as fook, turns on a 6 pence and has stamina in places most dogs dont even have places! Lol! Now in a couple of years, if she does come good i will be putting the collie grey over her without a doubt. And i will certainly be keeping a pup out of the mating and i will KNOW its going to turn out above avarage because i wont put them together unless she turns out to be as good as my collie grey.

 

In a nut shell i see line breeding as the only way to go.

good reply mate and good luck if you do ever breed off your dogs

Edited May 12, 2011 by lurcher1

[3 Turns 326]

  On 12/05/2011 at 23:41, lurcher1 said:

  On 12/05/2011 at 23:11, 3 Turns said:

ALRIGHT MATE .

START YOUR OWN LINE.

LEARN BYE YOUR OWN MISTAKES.

DONT SPEND SILLY CASH FOR SHITE.USE YOUR OWN INSTINCT,KEEP 3BITCHES AND SEE HOW YOU FARE.

 

3 DIFFERENT SIRES.

 

SORRY MATE THINKIN IN A BUBBLE.

KEEP A BITCH BACK AND WAIT TILL YOU SEE A REAL/DEAL.

ATB 3TS

3 turns i want to take your serious but the goofy avatar and caps lock put me off mate :laugh: FFS please turn them off!!!! but your spot on what you say about instinct i guess thats what it all boils down to deep down you will no if a dog/bitch are worth breeding off or not

 

ALRIGHT MATE.

IM ALWAYS SERIOUS. IVE DONE ALL MY DOGS FROM SCRATCH.

MET A BOY LAST WEEK GOT ONE OF MY PUPS.

LOOKED MY BOOK AND GAVE HIM BREEDING FAR HIS BITCH.

GREAT/GREATGRAND SIRE/ AND BITCH ALL DOING DAMAGE 16/YRS.

BOY OF HERE.

BRED BY MYSELF.PROVEN.

 

I DONT KEEP POLTISES.

MY NICK NAME IS GOOFY FAE AYRSHIRE

Edited May 13, 2011 by 3 Turns

[Bogger 243]

  On 13/05/2011 at 01:34, 3 Turns said:

  On 12/05/2011 at 23:41, lurcher1 said:

  On 12/05/2011 at 23:11, 3 Turns said:

ALRIGHT MATE .

START YOUR OWN LINE.

LEARN BYE YOUR OWN MISTAKES.

DONT SPEND SILLY CASH FOR SHITE.USE YOUR OWN INSTINCT,KEEP 3BITCHES AND SEE HOW YOU FARE.

 

3 DIFFERENT SIRES.

 

SORRY MATE THINKIN IN A BUBBLE.

KEEP A BITCH BACK AND WAIT TILL YOU SEE A REAL/DEAL.

ATB 3TS

3 turns i want to take your serious but the goofy avatar and caps lock put me off mate :laugh: FFS please turn them off!!!! but your spot on what you say about instinct i guess thats what it all boils down to deep down you will no if a dog/bitch are worth breeding off or not

 

ALRIGHT MATE.

IM ALWAYS SERIOUS. IVE DONE ALL MY DOGS FROM SCRATCH.

MET A BOY LAST WEEK GOT ONE OF MY PUPS.

LOOKED MY BOOK AND GAVE HIM BREEDING FAR HIS BITCH.

GREAT/GREATGRAND SIRE/ AND BITCH ALL DOING DAMAGE 16/YRS.

BOY OF HERE.

BRED BY MYSELF.PROVEN.

 

I DONT KEEP POLTISES.

MY NICK NAME IS GOOFY FAE AYRSHIRE

 

thats the way forward goofy more history the better

[moonlighter 1,164]

So here's a question, if you was breeding coursing dogs, would you rather use a good working dog, but from unknown parents or would you rather use a dog from the best blood lines available, but is only a pet and has never been worked? And I don't mean a failed worker, but one thats never been tested. There is a big difference between the two.

[Romany 1,065]

  On 12/05/2011 at 21:40, Bogger said:

  On 12/05/2011 at 16:02, Romany said:

  On 12/05/2011 at 10:51, Bogger said:

be interesting to see what some of the older users think on this subject come on lads dont make me start naming you all

 

Go on Bogger, name and shame

 

feck it ok johnnyboy68,ideation,malt,stabba,hedzand last but not least baw now these boys have seen some snow so should have some good input

 

Thats the way Im sure lots of folk woukld benefit from whatg they have to say on the subject