dennned 172 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 WOULD BE NICE IF LESS OF OUR TAXES WENT NORTH! But it would prob cost us more in eu loans. aye and none of OUR OIL revenue went south Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? and why are you desperate to hold onto us if you think were' sponginging of England and the UK government's so called rescources also there was more than one bank bailed out not just the RBS! Is it so wrong for the Scots electorate to decide there own future, remember! it was not the majorityof Scots who decideded there should be a union of the parliements in the first place just over 300 years ago! Some Scots want to right an historical wrong!! Tom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 never liked snp particularly because of salmond and his side kick sturgeon.every opporyunity they get they have to et thier fly dig in at england.petty if you ask me.even when he was interviewed about going to the royal wedding he couldnt resist plugging his national views about the tie he was goung to wear.oh and the biggest f**k up they ever did was letting that meghari go.and before anyone says that was labour,salmond denies this strongly and it was a scottish decision.even all the patriotic yanks said scotlands name was mud!i remember sturgeon squirming in her seat on question time when she was challenged on it.if i thought for one min that independence would make my life the same or better it,then i would support it with open arms,but as i said if it does not work.we could be a nation living on hand outs.i see no need to split from the union.to many people watching braveheart methinks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? and why are you desperate to hold onto us if you think were' sponginging of England and the UK government's so called rescources also there was more than one bank bailed out not just the RBS! Is it so wrong for the Scots electorate to decide there own future, remember! it was not the majorityof Scots who decideded there should be a union of the parliements in the first place just over 300 years ago! Some Scots want to right an historical wrong!! Tom there are just as many vehement scots who are for it,and will not listen to any other side and think scots who dont support as scotlands shame.which surely cant be right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,952 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? Tom No, its because we have achieved and given the world so much as a union....stood together with our backs against the wall in times of war, your all fannys but as an Englishman I am proud that you lot are part of the union that makes us great britain. I am vehemently opposed to the breaking of this union and nothing more. I love the crack with all the Scots, Welsh and Irish lads and wouldnt have it any other way......its what sets us apart from other countrys and long may it continue. f**k Europe and everybody else, long live Great Britain!! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? and why are you desperate to hold onto us if you think were' sponginging of England and the UK government's so called rescources also there was more than one bank bailed out not just the RBS! Is it so wrong for the Scots electorate to decide there own future, remember! it was not the majorityof Scots who decideded there should be a union of the parliements in the first place just over 300 years ago! Some Scots want to right an historical wrong!! Tom Is it true the union came about due to the scots bankrupting themselves on a failed attempt at starting there own empire? Sound like a matter of necessity rather than choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,952 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? and why are you desperate to hold onto us if you think were' sponginging of England and the UK government's so called rescources also there was more than one bank bailed out not just the RBS! Is it so wrong for the Scots electorate to decide there own future, remember! it was not the majorityof Scots who decideded there should be a union of the parliements in the first place just over 300 years ago! Some Scots want to right an historical wrong!! Tom Is it true the union came about due to the scots bankrupting themselves on a failed attempt at starting there own empire? Sound like a matter of necessity rather than choice. I think its a case of how far do you take these historical differences/injustices or whatever....does everyone from east anglia want independance from the midlands because the Iceni didnt get on with their tribe?? I tell what, in laymans terms, if you were stuck in a tight spot in a bar on the other side of the world, you would rather have a couple of stout Scots, Welsh or Irish lads stood at your shoulder than a f*****g frenchman and I think that rather simple view should extend to a national level. Plus, its nice for us English lads to feel smug about being slimmer and better looking than the Jocks!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bogger 243 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? Tom No, its because we have achieved and given the world so much as a union....stood together with our backs against the wall in times of war, your all fannys but as an Englishman I am proud that you lot are part of the union that makes us great britain. I am vehemently opposed to the breaking of this union and nothing more. I love the crack with all the Scots, Welsh and Irish lads and wouldnt have it any other way......its what sets us apart from other countrys and long may it continue. f**k Europe and everybody else, long live Great Britain!! agree with that totaly pal i see irish,scots an welsh as our own its a small island why divide it any more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? Tom No, its because we have achieved and given the world so much as a union....stood together with our backs against the wall in times of war, your all fannys but as an Englishman I am proud that you lot are part of the union that makes us great britain. I am vehemently opposed to the breaking of this union and nothing more. I love the crack with all the Scots, Welsh and Irish lads and wouldnt have it any other way......its what sets us apart from other countrys and long may it continue. f**k Europe and everybody else, long live Great Britain!! feck sake ive had to give wilf a thumbs up there is nothing wrong with being patriotic. but i'll all always back the union jack. the snp are power mad and arnt happy to be little fish in a big pond. change for the sake of it me thinks. ive no doubt Scotland could stand on its own' but why woud we want to with al these fine folk around us. what is snp policy on hunting ???? will we get a repea up here. we are allready putting up with the nonesence docking ban edited to add i have a sticky L Edited May 6, 2011 by Cleanspade 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 I don't know a single right minded person who wants independence. What's wrong with the way it is? It terrifies me that that smammy b*****d could have full control of the country. He couldn't organize the gritting of roads nevermind run a f*****g country independent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) Why are some English people more vehement and against Scottish Independence, is it because its gonna be a matter for the Scots electorate only? and why are you desperate to hold onto us if you think were' sponginging of England and the UK government's so called rescources also there was more than one bank bailed out not just the RBS! Is it so wrong for the Scots electorate to decide there own future, remember! it was not the majorityof Scots who decideded there should be a union of the parliements in the first place just over 300 years ago! Some Scots want to right an historical wrong!! Tom Is it true the union came about due to the scots bankrupting themselves on a failed attempt at starting there own empire? Sound like a matter of necessity rather than choice. Your referring to the Darien Scheme where the actions of the english nearly bankrupted the scottish nobility who had invested in the scheme. It was the same scottish nobles who! if they agreed to the union! had their personal debts wiped out! Robert Burns reffered to these individuals as a parcel of rogues! who sold a nation for a parcel of English gold. The Scottish people at the time had no say in joining the union the deciscion was made by a small elite who wanted to secure they're own financial posistion!! See this link for the Darian Scheme eg: http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/DarienScheme.htm Tom Ps: A Parcel of Rogues by Robert Burns Farewell to all our Scottish fame, Farewell our ancient glory! Farewell even to the Scottish name. So famed in martial story! Now Sark runs over Salway sands, And Tweed runs to the ocean, To mark where England's province stands - Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! What force or guile could not subdue Through many warlike ages Is wrought now by a coward few For hireling traitor's wages. The English steel we could disdain, Secure in valour's station; But English gold has been our bane - Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! O, would, or I had seen the day That Treason thus could sell us, My old grey head had lain in clay (be buried) With Bruce and loyal Wallace! But pith and power, till my last hour I will make this declaration :- 'We are bought and sold for English gold'- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! Edited May 6, 2011 by Foxgun Tom 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,952 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Co,mon Thomas, you dont seriously think that some 400 year old bullshit is a good reason to dismantle the union do you? Its that type of mind set that gets football managers and there familys sent letter bombs in the post, (not for one minute saying you would support anything like that) but its the same mentality. If you got independance, Alec would take the EU bag of gold faster than those Scots noblemen from days of yore took the English gold make no mistake about it. Its a romantic, Braveheart movie, hollywood style dream and a dangerous one at that, old b*****ds like us wont live to see the consequences of this romantic notion but as I said before, the generations to come will have to deal with it like we are dealing with the EU today! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) Co,mon Thomas, you dont seriously think that some 400 year old bullshit is a good reason to dismantle the union do you? Its that type of mind set that gets football managers and there familys sent letter bombs in the post, (not for one minute saying you would support anything like that) but its the same mentality. If you got independance, Alec would take the EU bag of gold faster than those Scots noblemen from days of yore took the English gold make no mistake about it. Its a romantic, Braveheart movie, hollywood style dream and a dangerous one at that, old b*****ds like us wont live to see the consequences of this romantic notion but as I said before, the generations to come will have to deal with it like we are dealing with the EU today! [/quo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I do not have the same mind set as some moron who sends bombs or bullets through post or the same mentality! I'm a protestant and a member of the Church of Scotland who just happens to be married to a catholic lass for nearly 35 years, so! I know all about bigotry and political divides and hate those fkin concepts, its also interesting that you describe major developments in Scottish history as bullshit! Did Scotlands history stop when the union of the parliaments happened (I don't think so) I'm also a nationalist not a republican, there is a difference! If a Scottish First Minister in Scotlands first devolved majority government, gives me a say in what constitutionally happens here I'll take advantage of that and vote accordingly Three major parties based south of the border would not give me that opportunity!! Scotland's history, culture and languages is not founded on a Hollywood movie that was factually inaccurate to a large extent! It's founded on its people!! wether it's 400 years ago or today! thats not a romantic notion its fact! I'm also very much pro-England and English, love the place and the people I've had some of the best times in my life in Englandshire Tom Edited May 6, 2011 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 If you don't mind me asking FT, what age are you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) when and if it goes to a referendum and its found to be in favour of the union.whre will the nationalists be then?what are they going to do,blame westminster for all our woes and hold a referendum every year in hope of them getting the results they want! if it wasnt so serious it would be funny to see how salmond is going to pay for all his promises. also i might add.wilf brings up a good point.if ever the day were to come and independence became iniment.would the die hard loyalists of scotland,just sit back and accept that.or would we see a similar thing like we used to see on the streets of belfast.it could easily happen. Edited May 6, 2011 by scothunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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