shepp 2,285 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 I heard one SNP,MP on the radio yesterday, he was very keen to take on the euro. Why would a party so keen on independence be so keen to hand any of that independence over to Europe? I wonder if the SNP play the nationalist card as a vehicle for a different agenda, a bit like Labour do with the working class vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Salmond would see this country burn in order to get his spitefull wish of seperation from the English, he is a cock ! He has no other priorities and has no interest in what his dream would cost us all! And as for gods involement, anyone who believes in one is as thick as they are dangerous. ATB There it is in all its glory! the moronic misconception that Scottish Nationalism or Independance is about being anti English ("spitefull wish of seperation from the English,") Does that mean were' spitefull against the Welsh or Northern Irish as well? Why does anyone think the majority of scots dislike the English, it's simply not true!!, I travel and stay in England "Kilt and All" maybe half a dozen times a year and stay with English friends, I love the place and the people!! do you think all Scots are members of the Tartan Army and can't see past a blue shirt and a Saltire! We have so many cultural, historical and personal ties with England that those links can and never will be broken!! We can still have separation with co-operation with our neighbours in Wales, Northern Ireland and England Wether some people like it or not Independance and unionism is under the spotlight and depending how the SNP government performs attitudes towords the issues can change? the minority can soon become the majority. Two or three years into this term and the UK government perform badly and the SNP are doing well for Scotland what do you think will realistically happen? Would you as a Scot support a duff UK administration or a Scottish one that's doing well? hypothetical I know but you never can tell!! Tom My comments are aimed squarely at Salmond and his cronies,,,and he is anti English,,, go on ,tell me otherwise!!! He has made his feelings clear!!. I am a patriotic Scot who has plenty friends who see themselves as nationalists, some do have an anti English streak,, no point denying it,, Where have I stated that the majority of Scots are anti English,, read before replying please And as for "moronic misconception that Scottish Nationalism or Independance is about being anti English" ,,, well up yours mate!I am no moron. ,,, but if the hat fits and all that ATB Where did I say personally that you were a moron? I did'nt what I said was! "There it is in all its glory! the moronic misconception that Scottish Nationalism or Independance is about being anti English ("spitefull wish of seperation from the English,") and I used your quote at no time did I suggest or say you were a moron! neither did I resort to personal abuse! I also did not say that you stated "that the majority of Scots are anti-English" what I said say was "Why does anyone think the majority of Scots dislike theEnglish! it's simply not true" and you ask me to read before replying? Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Salmond would see this country burn in order to get his spitefull wish of seperation from the English, he is a cock ! He has no other priorities and has no interest in what his dream would cost us all! And as for gods involement, anyone who believes in one is as thick as they are dangerous. ATB There it is in all its glory! the moronic misconception that Scottish Nationalism or Independance is about being anti English ("spitefull wish of seperation from the English,") Does that mean were' spitefull against the Welsh or Northern Irish as well? Why does anyone think the majority of scots dislike the English, it's simply not true!!, I travel and stay in England "Kilt and All" maybe half a dozen times a year and stay with English friends, I love the place and the people!! do you think all Scots are members of the Tartan Army and can't see past a blue shirt and a Saltire! We have so many cultural, historical and personal ties with England that those links can and never will be broken!! We can still have separation with co-operation with our neighbours in Wales, Northern Ireland and England Wether some people like it or not Independance and unionism is under the spotlight and depending how the SNP government performs attitudes towords the issues can change? the minority can soon become the majority. Two or three years into this term and the UK government perform badly and the SNP are doing well for Scotland what do you think will realistically happen? Would you as a Scot support a duff UK administration or a Scottish one that's doing well? hypothetical I know but you never can tell!! Tom Hi Tom, I see you are still intent on removing your small part of the UK from the UK. We had a wee discussion about this before some time ago, remember? You never did answer my main question about the taxes that the UK uses to support Scotland. So, I will ask again: If Scotland becomes an independent country do you think it is fair that Scotland then has to raise its own tax and take no money from the rest of the UK? I personally have no problems with Scotland or Wales or Northern Ireland becoming independent countries in their own right, but IF that happens I would expect them to immediately stop taking any money from the UK to support or subsidise them for anything, national health included. If you want a true independent country, then you should be self reliant imo. No! I don't think its fair or right that Scotland takes or gets income from the rest of the UK in relation to tax's if Independance is acheived At the moment there are negotiations going on between Holyrood and Westminster about Scotland getting more tax raising powers with the aim of self reliance what about the tax from Scottish exports that already go to the UK treasury do you want that to continue after Independance? Tom Edited May 9, 2011 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 I heard one SNP,MP on the radio yesterday, he was very keen to take on the euro. Why would a party so keen on independence be so keen to hand any of that independence over to Europe? I wonder if the SNP play the nationalist card as a vehicle for a different agenda, a bit like Labour do with the working class vote. Well that Msp is a twat!!! and one swallow does'nt make a summer! there's 69 nationalist Msp's and one's peronal views are not policy, any party in power here would have to have a referendum on the Euro, I can't see it happening but again you never know? Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,425 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 We don't need borders on this Island We already KNOW who we are! Well said matey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Candidate put up by S.N.P. in seat that is seen as a Catholic Vote,member of Opus Dei !playing the Sectarian card or What! Boasting about their Muslim Candidate ! This man will divide and use anything for his own agenda he is a Spiv!! ,Is this the party that doesn't take heed of Colour or Creed,then why use the Faith/Colour of a man to get votes.?Because thy Will be Done,by Wee Eck for Power and Glorious History.He will open the door for Extremist from both sides,to turn young impressionable kids to hate! for what? so the men in grey can keep leading us around by the nose! I never said Salmond was Catholic ,it's not about that .The implication is he will get into bed with anybody to see through his plan,then he'll cut them loose and get on with his own agenda! I would be happy with a Celtic Federation, Welsh,Irish,Manx,Cumbrian,Northumbrian.Cornwallian,even let in the Britons,but I think the Romans beat me to it ,Britain .The blood that Courses through all our veins on the Island is much the same no matter where your from . One Love,One People,Let's get together it'll be all Right,Wise man that Bob Marley,born out of union of two Nations. We don't need borders on this Island We already KNOW who we are! Oidhche mhth !Chi mi dh'aithghearr sibh.Brocdair Cu Beag. Edited May 9, 2011 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 The Huns would never vote for a Celtic federation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spanj 11 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 I never thought I'd be embarrassed to be Scottish........ How the hell can debate or a thread on a forum make you embarassed to be Scottish?? I can think of worst things elderly and child poverty, compulsary redundancies, knife crime short sentencing hospital waiting lists etc: Tom no mention of tail docking in that list ........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spanj 11 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Salmond would see this country burn in order to get his spitefull wish of seperation from the English, he is a cock ! He has no other priorities and has no interest in what his dream would cost us all! And as for gods involement, anyone who believes in one is as thick as they are dangerous. ATB well said mate........ all politicians are self serving bar stewards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mangy1983 51 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 is it not OPUS DEI the work of god Stand corrected ,But should that not read, the work of a wee guy from Germany who likes to make alot of money off Impoverished Believers.Speak to Your God directly, He won't mind and it will not cost you a penny. The connection to the S.N.P ,its,candidates for election. Who will they represent first the Scottish nation or Their belief system,I think the Jesuit Order tried the same thing, back in not to distant past. Only my Opinion might be wrong ? Every man should have an Equal say on how he is Govern'd Regardless his belief system, Still dont get what your trying to imply..Salmond's not catholic he's a Presbytarian or COS...I know he's been accused of sucking up to various religious leaders for votes...maybe you could enlighten further Candidate put up by S.N.P. in seat that is seen as a Catholic Vote,member of Opus Dei !playing the Sectarian card or What! Boasting about their Muslim Candidate ! This man will divide and use anything for his own agenda he is a Spiv!! ,Is this the party that doesn't take heed of Colour or Creed,then why use the Faith/Colour of a man to get votes.?Because thy Will be Done,by Wee Eck for Power and Glorious History.He will open the door for Extremist from both sides,to turn young impressionable kids to hate! for what? so the men in grey can keep leading us around by the nose! I never said Salmond was Catholic ,it's not about that .The implication is he will get into bed with anybody to see through his plan,then he'll cut them loose and get on with his own agenda! I would be happy with a Celtic Federation, Welsh,Irish,Manx,Cumbrian,Northumbrian.Cornwallian,even let in the Britons,but I think the Romans beat me to it ,Britain .The blood that Courses through all our veins on the Island is much the same no matter where your from . One Love,One People,Let's get together it'll be all Right,Wise man that Bob Marley,born out of union of two Nations. We don't need borders on this Island We already KNOW who we are! Oidhche mhth !Chi mi dh'aithghearr sibh.Brocdair Cu Beag. A bheil sibh fileanta ann an Gaidhlig? Bha mise anns an darna cleass a riabh a chaidh tron bun sgoil ann an Gaidhlig tiorraidh an drasda Calum MacLeod Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,425 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 With all due respect Thomas, you do seem to keep ducking the question of how Scotland will pay for its self? You trot out a pretty well rehearsed line about tax raising powers and getting all the money from your own exports so I will ask you again matey: How much extra in tax with the private sector employed percentage of the population have to pay? How much life is there left in north sea oil and gas and what will your great grandchildren or there great grandchildren have to fall back on? Or have the pro independance mob glossed over in persuit of "their" dream. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 The Huns would never vote for a Celtic federation hey keep your bigoted opinions out of it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
undisputed 1,664 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 With all due respect Thomas, you do seem to keep ducking the question of how Scotland will pay for its self? You trot out a pretty well rehearsed line about tax raising powers and getting all the money from your own exports so I will ask you again matey: How much extra in tax with the private sector employed percentage of the population have to pay? How much life is there left in north sea oil and gas and what will your great grandchildren or there great grandchildren have to fall back on? Or have the pro independance mob glossed over in persuit of "their" dream. If this small country is such a burden on engerland why don't those self serving morons in westminister cut us loose. Heard on the news that if mr osbourne paid his tax like the rest of us there would be no debt. Maybe he'll do the right thing.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,425 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 If this small country is such a burden on engerland why don't those self serving morons in westminister cut us loose. Heard on the news that if mr osbourne paid his tax like the rest of us there would be no debt. Maybe he'll do the right thing.. Not saying your a burden you fanny, just saying I dont think the "pro" chaps are giving you all the facts about just what their dream will cost the ordinary working bloke or if you will have to: a: Get yourselves in the shit like Ireland OR b: Saddle your self with a mass influx of immigrants thus ruining a great country with undisirables and loads more building over the countryside Now I know your not the sharpest tool in the box but I would have thought you could have figured that out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 With all due respect Thomas, you do seem to keep ducking the question of how Scotland will pay for its self? You trot out a pretty well rehearsed line about tax raising powers and getting all the money from your own exports so I will ask you again matey: How much extra in tax with the private sector employed percentage of the population have to pay? How much life is there left in north sea oil and gas and what will your great grandchildren or there great grandchildren have to fall back on? Or have the pro independance mob glossed over in persuit of "their" dream. If this small country is such a burden on engerland why don't those self serving morons in westminister cut us loose. Heard on the news that if mr osbourne paid his tax like the rest of us there would be no debt. Maybe he'll do the right thing.. ENGLAND free education wasted i see Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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