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[stubblebasher 150]

plus i would have thought our irish freinds would have been running a few on longears without saluki owing to the running ground over there.talking of which i was in a mates up north having a cuppa a few weeks back and there was a bitch in his back yard that looked like a little lamping bitch wouldnt give her house room for looks but looks are deceiving its the same bitch that drew 4 apeice with jason bs good dog earlier in the year and has won a lot of matches in ireland and over here on the big land .she proved never judge a book by its cover lol.and not sure but think she didnt have any saluki in her or if she did it was very little way back .

I think youl find theres plenty of saluki in her make up . Come on boys who we trying to kid , we are generations past streight lurchers for coursing , weve got far superior dogs now

cant answer this the way i would like dont want to start up an old argument but youl find a lot of the dogs that are still run over here have less saluki in their make up than people might think talking qurter or less in alot of them and just a question for tomo if yea could answer that splodge dog yea mentioned how much saluki would their be in him if yea would know

 

sorry fella i dont know,,, i think i know how he was bred though if thats any help,, his sire was captin, and i think his dam was chance... and i belive both these two were line bred coursing dogs with a good chunk of saluki in there. im shure miles will know better.

thanks tomo the reason i ask is yea hear a lot of stories about those top dogs in england and i seen alot of them on dvd and before anyone says anythink i think that splodge was a top dog as was captian and alot more of that breed but the way some people tell me they were breed a lot of these dogs are half saluki or less or slightly more in some cases

The fractions of saluki in most coursing dogs have been lost through the breeding , now its just line breeding or one type to another to try and complementeach other

a question for yea then do yea think that a lot of these dogs need some fresh blood in or are they producing as many top dogs as ever and is alot of this line breeding a shot in the dark or hit and miss

What do you mean by fresh blood exactly ? There are loads of different lines and types , which are continually being crossed into each other , but the gene pool is massive so there is no problem with it getting a bit close . People line breed to try and fix certain qualities in the progeny , which doesent always work, but often does . Other ways is if a dog lacks something like a bit of speed or stay , put it to a quick one or a sticker . If they lack nothing put the best to the best and hope they click . Theres loads of good dogs produced every year ,but only few what i would consider top class by todays standards

[J Darcy 5,871]

Many moons ago, my uncle had a fairly good dog called Jim. He got his fair share of hares on the biggest land that was close, that being Pocklington. Until the Law intervened that is and they were all summonsed. But, i'm pretty certain that although Jim could do those hares he would have probably been blown away if he had got onto a decent strong fen hare. I think there is a major difference between going out and running the odd hare, and going hare coursing....

I do find it interesting that the one thing those that slag fenland hares/hare coursers off have in common is...that they haven't been there and done it. You don't hear a peep from those that have been and sampled the class lagomorphs that can be found on the biggest of land.....Funny that.

[baldockbanks courser 598]

plus i would have thought our irish freinds would have been running a few on longears without saluki owing to the running ground over there.talking of which i was in a mates up north having a cuppa a few weeks back and there was a bitch in his back yard that looked like a little lamping bitch wouldnt give her house room for looks but looks are deceiving its the same bitch that drew 4 apeice with jason bs good dog earlier in the year and has won a lot of matches in ireland and over here on the big land .she proved never judge a book by its cover lol.and not sure but think she didnt have any saluki in her or if she did it was very little way back .

I think youl find theres plenty of saluki in her make up . Come on boys who we trying to kid , we are generations past streight lurchers for coursing , weve got far superior dogs now

cant answer this the way i would like dont want to start up an old argument but youl find a lot of the dogs that are still run over here have less saluki in their make up than people might think talking qurter or less in alot of them and just a question for tomo if yea could answer that splodge dog yea mentioned how much saluki would their be in him if yea would know

 

sorry fella i dont know,,, i think i know how he was bred though if thats any help,, his sire was captin, and i think his dam was chance... and i belive both these two were line bred coursing dogs with a good chunk of saluki in there. im shure miles will know better.

thanks tomo the reason i ask is yea hear a lot of stories about those top dogs in england and i seen alot of them on dvd and before anyone says anythink i think that splodge was a top dog as was captian and alot more of that breed but the way some people tell me they were breed a lot of these dogs are half saluki or less or slightly more in some cases

The fractions of saluki in most coursing dogs have been lost through the breeding , now its just line breeding or one type to another to try and complementeach other

a question for yea then do yea think that a lot of these dogs need some fresh blood in or are they producing as many top dogs as ever and is alot of this line breeding a shot in the dark or hit and miss

What do you mean by fresh blood exactly ? There are loads of different lines and types , which are continually being crossed into each other , but the gene pool is massive so there is no problem with it getting a bit close . People line breed to try and fix certain qualities in the progeny , which doesent always work, but often does . Other ways is if a dog lacks something like a bit of speed or stay , put it to a quick one or a sticker . If they lack nothing put the best to the best and hope they click . Theres loads of good dogs produced every year ,but only few what i would consider top class by todays standards

stubble i can tell you like to stick to all thats tried and tested BUT theres a big gene pool but the same dogs keep getting used just look at the seagul thread to see that most the dogs are breed from the same dogs only 20 or less years back.

 

a lot of coursing men are now putting match lurchers to pure saluki and getting better results.

[TOMO 26,677]

I do find it interesting that the one thing those that slag fenland hares/hare coursers off have in common is...that they haven't been there and done it. You don't hear a peep from those that have been and sampled the class lagomorphs that can be found on the biggest of land.....Funny that.

 

[speedie 329]

plus i would have thought our irish freinds would have been running a few on longears without saluki owing to the running ground over there.talking of which i was in a mates up north having a cuppa a few weeks back and there was a bitch in his back yard that looked like a little lamping bitch wouldnt give her house room for looks but looks are deceiving its the same bitch that drew 4 apeice with jason bs good dog earlier in the year and has won a lot of matches in ireland and over here on the big land .she proved never judge a book by its cover lol.and not sure but think she didnt have any saluki in her or if she did it was very little way back .

I think youl find theres plenty of saluki in her make up . Come on boys who we trying to kid , we are generations past streight lurchers for coursing , weve got far superior dogs now

cant answer this the way i would like dont want to start up an old argument but youl find a lot of the dogs that are still run over here have less saluki in their make up than people might think talking qurter or less in alot of them and just a question for tomo if yea could answer that splodge dog yea mentioned how much saluki would their be in him if yea would know

 

sorry fella i dont know,,, i think i know how he was bred though if thats any help,, his sire was captin, and i think his dam was chance... and i belive both these two were line bred coursing dogs with a good chunk of saluki in there. im shure miles will know better.

thanks tomo the reason i ask is yea hear a lot of stories about those top dogs in england and i seen alot of them on dvd and before anyone says anythink i think that splodge was a top dog as was captian and alot more of that breed but the way some people tell me they were breed a lot of these dogs are half saluki or less or slightly more in some cases

The fractions of saluki in most coursing dogs have been lost through the breeding , now its just line breeding or one type to another to try and complementeach other

a question for yea then do yea think that a lot of these dogs need some fresh blood in or are they producing as many top dogs as ever and is alot of this line breeding a shot in the dark or hit and miss

What do you mean by fresh blood exactly ? There are loads of different lines and types , which are continually being crossed into each other , but the gene pool is massive so there is no problem with it getting a bit close . People line breed to try and fix certain qualities in the progeny , which doesent always work, but often does . Other ways is if a dog lacks something like a bit of speed or stay , put it to a quick one or a sticker . If they lack nothing put the best to the best and hope they click . Theres loads of good dogs produced every year ,but only few what i would consider top class by todays standards

the only reason i ask is their always seems to be people looking to buy and im not trying to start an arguement but if it was as easy to breed these top dogs would they not just breed them i know men that have had top dogs and never seem to be able to get another one again im not trying to argue its just something i always wonder if all these dogs produce on a regular basis how come it seems that every year yea hear of bigger and bigger money being paid for dogs

[Guest storm70]

Nice stamp tomo

[stubblebasher 150]

plus i would have thought our irish freinds would have been running a few on longears without saluki owing to the running ground over there.talking of which i was in a mates up north having a cuppa a few weeks back and there was a bitch in his back yard that looked like a little lamping bitch wouldnt give her house room for looks but looks are deceiving its the same bitch that drew 4 apeice with jason bs good dog earlier in the year and has won a lot of matches in ireland and over here on the big land .she proved never judge a book by its cover lol.and not sure but think she didnt have any saluki in her or if she did it was very little way back .

I think youl find theres plenty of saluki in her make up . Come on boys who we trying to kid , we are generations past streight lurchers for coursing , weve got far superior dogs now

cant answer this the way i would like dont want to start up an old argument but youl find a lot of the dogs that are still run over here have less saluki in their make up than people might think talking qurter or less in alot of them and just a question for tomo if yea could answer that splodge dog yea mentioned how much saluki would their be in him if yea would know

 

sorry fella i dont know,,, i think i know how he was bred though if thats any help,, his sire was captin, and i think his dam was chance... and i belive both these two were line bred coursing dogs with a good chunk of saluki in there. im shure miles will know better.

thanks tomo the reason i ask is yea hear a lot of stories about those top dogs in england and i seen alot of them on dvd and before anyone says anythink i think that splodge was a top dog as was captian and alot more of that breed but the way some people tell me they were breed a lot of these dogs are half saluki or less or slightly more in some cases

The fractions of saluki in most coursing dogs have been lost through the breeding , now its just line breeding or one type to another to try and complementeach other

a question for yea then do yea think that a lot of these dogs need some fresh blood in or are they producing as many top dogs as ever and is alot of this line breeding a shot in the dark or hit and miss

What do you mean by fresh blood exactly ? There are loads of different lines and types , which are continually being crossed into each other , but the gene pool is massive so there is no problem with it getting a bit close . People line breed to try and fix certain qualities in the progeny , which doesent always work, but often does . Other ways is if a dog lacks something like a bit of speed or stay , put it to a quick one or a sticker . If they lack nothing put the best to the best and hope they click . Theres loads of good dogs produced every year ,but only few what i would consider top class by todays standards

the only reason i ask is their always seems to be people looking to buy and im not trying to start an arguement but if it was as easy to breed these top dogs would they not just breed them i know men that have had top dogs and never seem to be able to get another one again im not trying to argue its just something i always wonder if all these dogs produce on a regular basis how come it seems that every year yea hear of bigger and bigger money being paid for dogs

Its easy to produce hare killers , but very difficult to produce something which can consistently kill threes, in the right place , at the right time of year , with the right running conditions

[jamie7344 254]

who would want to run a match on small shitty fields with bad fences ect ?

 

Just out of interest, what percentage do you think this country has small fields compared to large open expanses like the fens? Atleast 90 percent of the uk is smallish fields. So by that reckoning 90 of the dogs are bred for this type of terrain but unfortunately the 10 percent left have the biggest egos. Fen guys don't want to run tight fields cod they know the odds are stacked in favour of the hare for a change and we can't have that. Unfortunately I've had my wings clipped so won't be participating in your interesting debate as much as I'd like, all the better I hear you say

90% small land???

[toby1066 413]

I do find it interesting that the one thing those that slag fenland hares/hare coursers off have in common is...that they haven't been there and done it. You don't hear a peep from those that have been and sampled the class lagomorphs that can be found on the biggest of land.....Funny that.

 

 

 

[juckler123 707]

Good point TOMO Always thought there was a distinct variation in hares in different areas on a few places ive hunted the hares are smaller and darker and can run faster turn better and take the dog on a trip you need speed and stay together to catch them plodders wont get near them some of the spots youd get both types the big red uns always seem easy compared to the smaller ones when a little dark un gets up you more or less know know it will be real run.

[baw 4,360]

who would want to run a match on small shitty fields with bad fences ect ?

 

Just out of interest, what percentage do you think this country has small fields compared to large open expanses like the fens? Atleast 90 percent of the uk is smallish fields. So by that reckoning 90 of the dogs are bred for this type of terrain but unfortunately the 10 percent left have the biggest egos. Fen guys don't want to run tight fields cod they know the odds are stacked in favour of the hare for a change and we can't have that. Unfortunately I've had my wings clipped so won't be participating in your interesting debate as much as I'd like, all the better I hear you say

thats handy wont have to listen to your bo*lox M.B will we.

 

I'll make an exception for you, fanny

[baw 4,360]

Many moons ago, my uncle had a fairly good dog called Jim. He got his fair share of hares on the biggest land that was close, that being Pocklington. Until the Law intervened that is and they were all summonsed. But, i'm pretty certain that although Jim could do those hares he would have probably been blown away if he had got onto a decent strong fen hare. I think there is a major difference between going out and running the odd hare, and going hare coursing....

I do find it interesting that the one thing those that slag fenland hares/hare coursers off have in common is...that they haven't been there and done it. You don't hear a peep from those that have been and sampled the class lagomorphs that can be found on the biggest of land.....Funny that.

 

At the risk of getting banned, can I ask you to define what you class as coursing?

 

As for slagging the fens, i can't speak for everyone but it's the style of running that I slag. I know the fen guys thinks it's great watching a hare towing a dog about for 6,7,8 minutes but it isn't everyones cup of tea. I reckon the fen coursers enjoy it because it gets results, no other reason. It certainly can't be for the entertainment value cos I would rather watch caravans getting towed down the m74

[baw 4,360]

who would want to run a match on small shitty fields with bad fences ect ?

 

Just out of interest, what percentage do you think this country has small fields compared to large open expanses like the fens? Atleast 90 percent of the uk is smallish fields. So by that reckoning 90 of the dogs are bred for this type of terrain but unfortunately the 10 percent left have the biggest egos. Fen guys don't want to run tight fields cod they know the odds are stacked in favour of the hare for a change and we can't have that. Unfortunately I've had my wings clipped so won't be participating in your interesting debate as much as I'd like, all the better I hear you say

90% small land???

 

What's wrong Jamie, do you think it's higher? You surely don't think the country is made up of fen size fields?

[TOMO 26,677]

Good point TOMO Always thought there was a distinct variation in hares in different areas on a few places ive hunted the hares are smaller and darker and can run faster turn better and take the dog on a trip you need speed and stay together to catch them plodders wont get near them some of the spots youd get both types the big red uns always seem easy compared to the smaller ones when a little dark un gets up you more or less know know it will be real run.

 

it was actualy darcy's point, i copy/pasted, added the smiley in agreement.

baw,,,,stop beeing a bore i love the way you think saluki crosses are slow

 

youl lern one day with a bit more experiance

[boyo 1,398]

not everyone that runs the fens wants or even likes a plodder most i know want a up and at em type that can stick a bit cos its a long way to go to have one run and a knackered dog back in the car . also since the ban more people i know want a bit more oomph in them to get their run and gone .it always amazes me that people think all fen runners are plodders i think they been watching to many videos myself .