Single Shot Or Magazine?

[jasper65 6]

tried somthing different yesterday.. stuck a target 30 metres down the garden and reeled off one Mag into it, the grouping wasn't bad but could have been better. I then did it all over again after fitting the single shot tray and have to say the grouping tightend up with a noticable improvment.

 

to convince myself I then did it again in 5 shot groups and Yep! the single shot tray had the edge .

 

I'm a bit confused about this now! anyone else noticed a difference when shooting single or with a Mag?

 

Jasp

[rossi_j 99]

Maybe your just taking a little more time with shots when reloading by hand, I know I can be a bit heisty when smashing shot after shot from a mag. More thinking and breathing time before shots, more care taken in relaoding could pass on to more care with the shot.

 

I find a lot of niggles like that are all in my head.

 

.atb. .ste.

[rossi_j 99]

Suppose there is always a small outside chance the skirts could be geting caught slightly between leaving mag and entering barrel hense groups are not so tight? ?

 

.atb. .ste.

[rossy08 33]

tried somthing different yesterday.. stuck a target 30 metres down the garden and reeled off one Mag into it, the grouping wasn't bad but could have been better. I then did it all over again after fitting the single shot tray and have to say the grouping tightend up with a noticable improvment.

 

to convince myself I then did it again in 5 shot groups and Yep! the single shot tray had the edge .

 

I'm a bit confused about this now! anyone else noticed a difference when shooting single or with a Mag?

 

Jasp

 

 

hi there jasper if i rember right your using a daystate arnt you?

 

a couple of freinds with these have the same problem, with one of them its to the point where he always uses single shot to hunt, as the mags produce flyers, something to do with the bolt miss shapeing the skirts as they pass from mag to barrel..

 

not just daystate but all mags will be a little less accurate than single shot, hence why the target rifles are nearly always single shot..

 

if your single shot you push the pellet stright in to the breach with little or no resistance, whereas when it in a mag, you have first of all put the pellet into the mag (first chance of a minor miss shape) the you push the pellet from the mag in to the breach witch if not lined up 100% will be the second chance of miss shapeing add to that the resistance of the mag holding the pellet more force is needed to puch the pellet into the breach, all very small bits and chances but true no the less,

 

we all no how a little imperfection in a pellet can send it off.

 

hope this helps a little mate.

 

Andy

[stealthy1 3,964]

I wouldn't have thought the mag would make any difference on how the pellet was dilivered in to the barrel, purely because its the same bolt ramming the pellet in, the mag is only the carriage, but I could be wrong

[Alex Arrigone 24]

possibly could be resting your stance whilst reloading instead of keeping the rifle in the firing position. when i do groupings by the last round it does have a little strain on the firing position.

 

might be completely wrong but there's what i think it could be

 

atb

 

alex

[SEAN3513 7]

i would suggest its time taken in presenting the shot........you may tend to rush it a bit more with the mag.

 

with the single shot you will be relaxing between shots rather than staying tense ????

 

[jasper65 6]

Cheers all for the replies its much apreciated

 

did a simular test yesterday and it did the same but only with one Mag! it seems this particular mag is a bit worn and inexing a bit on the sosh, you can even feel its tighter when the bolt is pushed through.

 

Have to say Rossy08 you're pretty much bang on . I had a quick read on the Daystate owners club with people having simular problems..

 

cheers Jasp

[SEAN3513 7]

should have a bought a proper gun then

 

seriously.....nice to find a solution to a problem

 

just out of interest can daystate mags be re-furbed ???.......like the bsa ones ???

[jasper65 6]

should have a bought a proper gun then

 

seriously.....nice to find a solution to a problem

 

just out of interest can daystate mags be re-furbed ???.......like the bsa ones ???

 

Must admit mate the Mags on this gun are a little disapointing, I stripped it out last night and bent the undex'er back to roughly where it should be, I'll give it a few shots today and see if its cured it, this was a Mag I had given to me and definitley had a bit more wear than the original sean.

 

I do fancy a different gun now to be honest! I find this pretty heavy shooting freehand weighing in at near on 11LB with equipment, its alot for someone like me who only weigh 7 1/2 stone of solid rippling muscle

 

atb Jasp

[pianoman 3,587]

I've heard it all now.

 

Jasp, you want to try a nicely ballanced, lighter weight rifle... Like a Weihrauch HW77!

 

Simon

[mad al 146]

Funny thing Jasp, but as you know I had the same rifle and tried loadsa other multi-shots too..............only to end up with a Stealth and a HW90 for everyday stuff

[jasper65 6]

I've heard it all now.

 

Jasp, you want to try a nicely ballanced, lighter weight rifle... Like a Weihrauch HW77!

 

Simon

 

Nice one simon . I have a 1985 77K here and a MK2 Webley Vulcan but they're both in that Girly .22 calibre . joking the part I must say shooting the springers does bring back the feeling of a real gun that hits me in the shoulder .

 

I quite fancy them AA prosports! but I'm a lefty and would have to have a special order, I would much prefer a Ambi stock if I can get one so my lad could use it.

 

atb Jasp

 

 

Funny thing Jasp, but as you know I had the same rifle and tried loadsa other multi-shots too..............only to end up with a Stealth and a HW90 for everyday stuff

 

I remember it well Al! the stealth looks a nice well built rugged peice of kit, a proper keepers gun. I still think mate some of the old springers from the 70's and 's take some beating like the old Airsporter and Mercury S models, I took alot of head back then with these two guns and wish now I hung onto the Mercury, I was offered my old S model back a year or so ago! he brought it round and I would have loved it after all these years but he wanted £250 for it , it was brought for me by my mother back in 1980 for under £. this is the same gun in the picture he brought round.

 

atb Jasp

[mad al 146]

I've heard it all now.

 

Jasp, you want to try a nicely ballanced, lighter weight rifle... Like a Weihrauch HW77!

 

Simon

 

Nice one simon . I have a 1985 77K here and a MK2 Webley Vulcan but they're both in that Girly .22 calibre . joking the part I must say shooting the springers does bring back the feeling of a real gun that hits me in the shoulder .

 

I quite fancy them AA prosports! but I'm a lefty and would have to have a special order, I would much prefer a Ambi stock if I can get one so my lad could use it.

 

atb Jasp

 

 

Funny thing Jasp, but as you know I had the same rifle and tried loadsa other multi-shots too..............only to end up with a Stealth and a HW90 for everyday stuff

 

I remember it well Al! the stealth looks a nice well built rugged peice of kit, a proper keepers gun. I still think mate some of the old springers from the 70's and 's take some beating like the old Airsporter and Mercury S models, I took alot of head back then with these two guns and wish now I hung onto the Mercury, I was offered my old S model back a year or so ago! he brought it round and I would have loved it after all these years but he wanted £250 for it , it was brought for me by my mother back in 1980 for under £. this is the same gun in the picture he brought round.

 

atb Jasp

 

 

a great bit of kit there Jasp, I wish I'd hung on to the HW95K (light in weight)and I had a HW90K which was great in dense woodland

[rossy08 33]

Cheers all for the replies its much apreciated

 

did a simular test yesterday and it did the same but only with one Mag! it seems this particular mag is a bit worn and inexing a bit on the sosh, you can even feel its tighter when the bolt is pushed through.

 

Have to say Rossy08 you're pretty much bang on . I had a quick read on the Daystate owners club with people having simular problems..

 

cheers Jasp

 

you wouldent think all them little bits that i mensioned would make a differance, but at the end of the day thay do, as i say all mags will alter to a point most you wont even be able to notice, but i must say the daystate mags are a little :wankerzo4: , you can have them sent back to daystate to be recalibrated, mate of myn had this done and at the same time brought a new mag from them,,,,and to be honest still gets the same results,,from both the mags.

 

hope you get yours sorted, have you tryed the deep sided single shot trays cant rember who makes them now though , so much better than the shallow daystate version, the ease of loading is much better and the pellets dont drop out the other side...

 

all the best with it mate....

 

ps any joy with the window stickers or posters i pm'd you about for the shop pal.

 

Andy