deerhound crosses

[Kane 2]

mush you talk a lot of sense [bANNED TEXT],Deerhound enthusiasts or breeders(closet hancocks ) always put the blame on the owner.I want a dog that starts early has a good strike is game and is vesatile enough to work with terriers during daylight and lamp at night,not a lot to ask but straight Deerhound crosses just arent as good as other crosses.Ive loads of patience but I also know what I expect from a lurcher.

The thing that sickens me most is those that lie about a dog/breed/strain more concerned about ££££ than the breed they are suposedly championing.

[DiStuRBeD 0]

good post kane, here most of the kangaroo dogs would have a majority of deerhound x greyhound blood in them, they work well, but then they are used on things which are a hell of a lot bigger then hare

 

some of the lines have wolfhound in them too, some have bull infused to add gameness, but by and large i'd say mostly deerhound x grey. I know guys who consider the true roo dogs to be purely deerhound x grey line bred, but adding wolf or borzoi is allowable

[Guest Nightwalker]

mush you talk a lot of sense [bANNED TEXT],Deerhound enthusiasts or breeders(closet hancocks ) always put the blame on the owner.I want a dog that starts early has a good strike is game and is vesatile enough to work with terriers during daylight and lamp at night,not a lot to ask but straight Deerhound crosses just arent as good as other crosses.Ive loads of patience but I also know what I expect from a lurcher.

The thing that sickens me most is those that lie about a dog/breed/strain more concerned about ££££ than the breed they are suposedly championing.

 

 

Well Kane, I dont breed dogs and or have any other major financial interest in lurcher work these days beyond selling a bit of meat, although I have made a lot of money from dog work in the past. I lamp a lot of rabbits although larger stuff has always been my number one quarry and I have never found deerhound crosses to have poor strike or to be poor killers of anything I have run them on. Unsuprisingly, they excel on the largest quarry but after all, that is what they have been bred for over hundreds of years, for what I do, a half-hearted dog wouldnt last long.

 

It certainly sounds to me like you should stick to other types of dog if you havent the patience to wait for a deerhound X to mature, although of course, other crosses also take very variable times to mature. Do you have a rule book as to how young you like dogs to enter before you decide they are useless? BTW how many first cross deerhound / greys or second cross deeerhound /greys have you actually owned. Personally, I like them, they all enter at their own rate, some earlier, some later. Mine have always worked both large and small quarry and yesterday I fed 12 people a very tasty roast dinner from something caught by my 14 month old 29" deerhound X bitch pup, the night that before she caught 18 rabbits before I got run off the ground I was lamping.

[Guest mush]

14 month old 29" deerhound X bitch pup, the night that before she caught 18 rabbits before I got run off the ground I was lamping.

That doesn't mean a thing, they could just be easy rabbits.

I remember taking out a 8 mouth old saluki x grey and she caught 11 rabbits first time out. She was catching them so easy i had to remind my self she was only a pup and it was best to stop and take her home.

why feed a 29-30 inch Deerhound x's when a smaller dog will do a better job, after all how many of us can run Red D every week even if we wanted to? if the only way you get good deerhound x's for all-round work is to bred them down in size( 24- 27) and weight what's the point, you only end up with a rough coated greyhound.

[Guest Nightwalker]

14 month old 29" deerhound X bitch pup, the night that before she caught 18 rabbits before I got run off the ground I was lamping.

That doesn't mean a thing, they could just be easy rabbits.

I remember taking out a 8 mouth old saluki x grey and she caught 11 rabbits first time out. She was catching them so easy i had to remind my self she was only a pup and it was best to stop and take her home.

why feed a 29-30 inch Deerhound x's when a smaller dog will do a better job, after all how many of us can run Red D every week even if we wanted to? if the only way you get good deerhound x's for all-round work is to bred them down in size( 24- 27) and weight what's the point, you only end up with a rough coated greyhound.

 

 

Yeah, yeah, easy rabbits in late January when every fecker has been lamping, nightshooting etc for months, you dont want much do you boy? She kills rabbits everywhere - I run all sorts of land from tiny pony paddocks to huge arable fields and I have taken very respectable hauls of rabbits with dogs 30" and over from all kinds of ground. I'm not trying to sell you anything Mush, the point is, that some of us keep dogs to do jobs where small dogs just dont cut it and my experience is that big dogs will kill rabbits and hares very well and then go on to do an ubeatable job on the largest game where small dogs fail. In the pre-*** days I have run red deer a few times, however, I have muntjac, roe and fallow within walking distance of my house. Of course although I would never break the law and run them now, pre-*** deer have been my main quarry ever since I first got dogs in 1975 and I have run an awful lot of them over the years, I've tried most kinds of lurcher out there and big dogs are best! Would I recommend a deerhound X as the number one dog for rabbits and hares, no of course not, but dont underestimate their versatility or think that they cant kill smaller game in quantity.

[Kane 2]

Ive had and seen plenty of Deerhound xs run the only ones that were worth feeding were the ones that had something else in the make up ie collie,bedlington or saluki.Mush is right again why feed a lump 30inch attention grabber when a smaller more discreet looking dog will do the job better.

[marco 24]

Ive had and seen plenty of Deerhound xs run the only ones that were worth feeding were the ones that had something else in the make up ie collie,bedlington or saluki.Mush is right again why feed a lump 30inch attention grabber when a smaller more discreet looking dog will do the job better.

ive tried to stay out of this one as its getting a bit contrivertshal but just speaking off

experience ive had nearly every cross of lurchers over the years some big and some

small,ye a 23in lurcher will probably lamp better than a 30in lurcher but a 30in lurcher will pull a fallow down better than a 23in lurcher its swings and round abouts,im not takeing sides but just to give you an example,i

suppose youv,e all seen the old lamping mania video theirs a 291/2 deerhound/greyhound on their called axle and it picks rabbits up on piece probably better than its 25in litter sister that features in the video aswell

and i would of loved to see the same dog behind a hare i bet he could give them some jip but its no good getting a deerhound/greyhound half heartedly as you will end up cashing it at 12 months old.ive got a 2 year old 30in 3/4 deerhound 1/4 greyhound dog and at 12 months old this dog used to watch rabbits run away infront of it,i couldn,t believe it but i persevered and now hes picking them up and hes had a taste of a big one doubled up.ive even had him down scarborough on the flinty stuff and coursed a few hares with him,he didn,t catch non but he didn,t let me down in good company and i was pleased with him but this time next year i no he will a different dog again but the only reason i got him was for the roe and fox litterally outside my back door as i have bed/whippets and pure whippets for the rabbits,anyway its every man to there own and happy hunting,heres my 30in lump

 

[Guest baldie]

14 month old 29" deerhound X bitch pup, the night that before she caught 18 rabbits before I got run off the ground I was lamping.

That doesn't mean a thing, they could just be easy rabbits.

I remember taking out a 8 mouth old saluki x grey and she caught 11 rabbits first time out. She was catching them so easy i had to remind my self she was only a pup and it was best to stop and take her home.

why feed a 29-30 inch Deerhound x's when a smaller dog will do a better job, after all how many of us can run Red D every week even if we wanted to? if the only way you get good deerhound x's for all-round work is to bred them down in size( 24- 27) and weight what's the point, you only end up with a rough coated greyhound.

 

18 rabbits in a night is a bloody good haul for any cross, never mind a deer/grey, show me a more versatile cross? an adult should take anything that runs in this country, though i,ve never seen anything take an adult red, regardless of its breeding, though i,ve no doubt other folk have.24" dogs arent deer/greys are they?, and a rough coated greyhound, IS a deerhound.I agree, that saluki crosses do make better hare dogs, its as plain as the nose on your face, but take one of each on to the heather moors running the white ones and see what happens, it hounds for grounds then isnt it?People keep the 30" "lumps" cos they like them [ myself included} the dog i have has the best temperament of any cross i,ve had, he is a pleasure to own, i,m slowly entering him, and he is 18 -19 month old, he has just stopped growing.It really doesnt matter what you own does it, providing it suits you, and your land.Werent deerhounds traditionally used to hold and pin wounded red deer, and always used in pairs?

[Staghound 0]

that dog of yours looks exactily the same as my 3/4 deer grey marco there about the same age to mines doing well on the foxs and has taken the odd rabbit but i dont have him for rabbits ive got a 1/2 x sal grey for that and a 1/2 cross deer grey that is very good on them to. ive got 4 running dogs and the only one that i would class as a good alrounder is the 1/2 deer grey. different crosses are best at different things there isnt one breed out there that is better than every other breed at all game only a fool would think that.

 

ive just crossed the 3/4 deer to the sal to get a bit more of an alrounder im very interested to see how they turn out

[Guest mush]

24" dogs arent deer/greys are they?,

you breed them down( Deerhound xGrey) in size by puting more grey est in.

I agree, that saluki crosses do make better hare dogs, its as plain as the nose on your face, but take one of each on to the heather moors running the white ones and see what happens,

The thing is there arnt that many heather moors in the Uk that most go on. but I will see soon not that there will be any deerhound x's there.

it hounds for grounds then isnt it?

True

People keep the 30" "lumps" cos they like them [ myself included} the dog i have has the best temperament of any cross i,ve had, he is a pleasure to own, i,m slowly entering him, and he is 18 -19 month old,

what makes me :sick: is people trying to make out a cross can do this or that when they cant, that's why the dog pounds have so many lurchers in them. Deerhound owners are the worst they seem to think they have to justify why they own such a dog by trying to convince every one their as good if not better than a smaller x's . And its nice to here from an honest deerhound owner,dont know about your comment show me a more versatile cross? How is a deerhound x's more versatile i would say its more like a whippet x's theres only so much it can do well.

Werent deerhounds traditionally used to hold and pin wounded red deer, and always used in pairs?

Never seen it done, what are red 300-400+ lbs and can be up to 50 + inches, yes i should think you would need two or more Deerhounds to pull a big one down. but i wouldn't be surprised if it still didn't run off with your dogs, Should think deerhounds came before the gun or even the bow.

[Guest mush]

u an example,i

suppose youv,e all seen the old lamping mania video theirs a 291/2 deerhound/greyhound on their called axle and it picks rabbits up on piece probably better than its 25in litter sister that features in the video aswell

and i would of loved to see the same dog behind a hare

yep seen that video, and didn't think much of them, or the two 1/2 beds I've owned or the other half breds I've seen on rabbit and hares. 1/4 breds are a hell of a lot better but lack stamina.

[marco 24]

u an example,i

suppose youv,e all seen the old lamping mania video theirs a 291/2 deerhound/greyhound on their called axle and it picks rabbits up on piece probably better than its 25in litter sister that features in the video aswell

and i would of loved to see the same dog behind a hare

yep seen that video, and didn't think much of them, or the two 1/2 beds I've owned or the other half breds I've seen on rabbit and hares. 1/4 breds are a hell of a lot better but lack stamina.

ye seem hard to please mush

[Guest midnight_runner]

don't seem to see many deerhound crosses advertised ,just wondered if any of the lads on here used them and the kind of size they get to.also whats there good/bad points many thanks Roy

ive got a deerhound greyhound xbedlington greyhound 27 inch getting bit long in the tooth now but has been a very handy tool no complaints at all still takes plenty of rabbits on the lamp even the odd hare when it was legal lol

[Guest mush]

ye seem hard to please mush

or you could say your easily pleased.

[Guest Nightwalker]

ye seem hard to please mush

or you could say your easily pleased.

 

 

You are a knocker Mush and I bet you arent out of your teens, sometimes it's better just to keep your mouth shut if you haven't got anything interesting to say than to go on and on looking more like a complete **** with evrything you post.

Edited January 22, 2006 by Nightwalker