deerhound crosses

[Staghound 0]

ive got a half x sal/gery bitch 24" 20kg a half x deer/grey bitch 24" 32kg and a 3/4 deer 1/4 grey male 30" 38kg and there 3 complety different dogs to run.

in a srtaight line the big deer male wins easy but as soon as they start turning the sal kills them. the male just distroys big game over here all night every night no matter what but is a waste of time behind a rabbit. the deer bitch is a realy good allrounder very smart and never gives up. the sal is a fantastic rabbit dog and gives it 100% on foxs and other game but she just doesnt have the strengh to back it up and will only handle one fox a night by herself. i will be crossing the male deer over the sal next time shes on heat hopeing for a dog that has his hardness and her turning something like the deer x bitch which is the mother of the 3/4 deer dog

[DiStuRBeD 0]

the early aussie settlers used the deerhound x greyhound because their original greyhounds were to slow in the bush, they couldnt dodge the tree's, also their feet knocked up very quickly, they also tended to get killed often

 

the put the deerhound into the greyhound to toughen the feet up, give a bit more size and to enable them to run through the scrub better without poleaxing some 100 year old gum tree :11:

 

there is very little information on them, but what you can get points to this cross being the best they had at the time

 

some add wolfhound to the mix, others bull, IMO adding bull is not a true kangaroo dog, i consider it to be pollution, others might not agree (i am talking about the kangaroo dog as a type, im not against bullx's in any way)

[macker 5]

great post this.

as a young lad there where some really good deerhound crosses around.

more of a fawn strain mostly.

if only these dogs where around my area now i would have no other cross.

they did everything from big bags of rabbits.

single handed hare dogs.

to killing fox with a bite.

some alround dogs.

has this fawn strain of deerhounds gone forever .

or are they still in some parts of the world.

years ago i was told that the fawn ones where the ones

where more common with the coursing lads

and worked better at that time.

this type i will always be in my heart.

after seen what they did in the field.

nothing came close since then for all round work in my area.

had one of this breeding as a young boy.

a dog thats name comes up often in my area.

have a lot of respect for anyone trying to get them back to what they used to be.

have seen deerhounds crossed with saluki and some dogs where born.

but in the long run i dont think it did either side of the any good .

i think the deer hound is outclassed by the saluki not by much as what some people might think.

but you can always find that a deerhound will excell at some thing i think.

where other xcrosses are more for one type of quarry.

are the fawn ones still out there?

[skinnyrat 0]

in my experience most lurchers with a rough coat are described,as having deerhound,in them in the not to distant past,but the truth of the matter (in my opinion,and certainly true aroun here)is that there isnt that many deerhounds about,i cant remember seeing one let alone enough of them to have bred half the lurchers in england :11:

[Kye 77]

Macker, soundslike the ones i keep...although they áint realy deerhound X's...they call them Staghounds over here...

She is a big bitch, topping 31", and she is only around 12-13 months...not done a whole lot with her...just little bits of lamping and Dobled up coursing...dont want to spoil her!...The rest of the litter have done real well...all going into Coyotes with gusto...my bitch hasnt had a chance yet, she is still a little gangly...i realy like the type...Quite stubborn to train though...but once you get them there, they handle well.

Kye,..

[macker 5]

Macker, soundslike the ones i keep...although they áint realy deerhound X's...they call them Staghounds over here...

She is a big bitch, topping 31", and she is only around 12-13 months...not done a whole lot with her...just little bits of lamping and Dobled up coursing...dont want to spoil her!...The rest of the litter have done real well...all going into Coyotes with gusto...my bitch hasnt had a chance yet, she is still a little gangly...i realy like the type...Quite stubborn to train though...but once you get them there, they handle well.

Kye,..

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would be very interested to see some pics of your type

some time.

thats a huge bitch for that age is she more of a strain

or crossed with a grey hound?

[Kye 77]

Theres not been any PURE blood put in them for god knows how long mate...just Staghound to Staghound...if it kills coyotes, it gets bred from...if you look at pictures of the OLD Wolfhounds, she looks just like them imo...the feet are amazing, the crap they have to run on over here...they are still sound...

I will see if my digging partner can post some picks for me..

All the best,..

Kye..

[F.R. 2]

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[Guest knocavoeboy]

 

this is my wee deerhound cross. i was told she is a first cross by the lad i got her from. but then a few deerhound experts on the forums told me she cant be first cross as they never throw fawn coloured pups on the fisrt cross. she is 24" at teh shoulder and solid made. i havent got her well tried yet as soon after buying her i discovered she was around six weeks in pup. the pups are two weeks old tommorrow. i should get a few weeks out if her before the end of februaury before i stop hunting.

 

i had a question as well. how soon could you tell if pups are going to be rough or smooth coated. the sire is smooth he is a straight half bull xgreyhound.

[macker 5]

thanks for the pics.

very nice dogs.

very like the ones that used to be in my area years ago.

are they your own breeding kye.?

[Kye 77]

Hi Bolio,..

I think you hit the nail on the head mate...the dogs used over are are mostly bred down from gear that came with the settlers...of course there are lines with Bull blood in though, but they seem few and far between...

The main reason that i think Bull Cross' 'aint used is that they just would NOT stay sound...i know lads that have foot/wrist injurys back home, and the ground is NOTHING like it is here...these dogs are capable of coursing for miles, and tackiling heavy game, on there own in need be...of course there is shite over here as well though...im talking about the best, well bred gear of course.

There realy is NO need for Bull blood in these dogs, imo...if there was, they would have it in them, simple as that...

I am NOT slagging of Bull hybrids though, in any way...i admire them for what they are, and what they are capable of.

No Macker they are not my own breeding...they where both bred buy a VERY good mate of mine in the Mid-West...he has some excellent gear.

All the best,..

Kye..

PS...thanks for putting the picture up FR..!

[Guest chilli]

why you hideing your legs ? ? ? u got tights on ?

 

 

how them decks ?

[Guest HAWKEYE]

christ paddy how many dogs have ya got ???? :11:

[Guest scotch deerhound]

Fashion has a lot to do with lurchers - look at what Plummer and Hancock did with merle's and beardie crosses and look at the rise of the bull x - you dont need all that muscle to kill a fox that weigh's on average 12-14lbs.

 

Line breeding and good conditioning has led the saluki X to conquer the match field, but that could change if breeders got busy with other types of dog but simply no-one is doing this at the moment. The single best hare killer I have ever seen run was a borzoi cross. I have had my share of saluki Xs (I bought my first two pups in 1975 - one was a bullx and the other a saluki x) but no-one breeds borzoi crosses anymore and no-one breeds deerhound crosses for competetive coursing at the moment, the fact that no-one is doing it at the moment doesnt mean that it cant be done.

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Its good that you like your type of cross breed but get real its not the muscle that people are after when they get a bull cross they want a dog that you can almost guarantee will take fox and not just run besides it, their also after the determination.

As for salukis and saluki crosses its not down to conditioning if you took a unfit saluki and a unfit deerhound ( not that you would want to) the saluki would still come out the winner, look at the USA whats one of the top pedigree coursing dogs the saluki, whats not the deerhound.

sorry mate but the reality is the deerhound in the us is a disaster it has been totally destroyed by the kc and is a poor worker a famous working deerhound kennel in australia introduced american blood to its stock and saw an imediate demise in the working ability of its stock i keep only pure breed deerhounds and have run them against conditioned salukis on varying grounds i find the deerhounds generally fare better i also run them against very competent lurchers and find them adept at holding their own, at this stage i would like to point out that the deerhounds i consistantly work on hare are bitches and range between 28 and 29 to the shoulder are 70 to pounds weight are highly conditioned from srong working kennels and are not formally entered untill 18 months people buy a deerhound walk it once a week expect it to work at 10 months and then get rid of it saying it was a waste of time bad mouthing the breed due to their own incompetence so although sometimes a slow starter when a deerhound is correctly entered they can be an excellent working companion on varying quarry

[Guest mush]

It makes me , all the reason why so many deerhounds are no good on hare, don't you think you get the same, one walk a week people owning other working breeds that expect their dogs to run well. If a type of dog dies out as a worker its because their no good, or today's way of hunting them doesn't suit them, they don't have the same quarry to hunt est. est..

Salukis are bred for hare and any other quarry they come across, the Arabs use them the same as we use lurchers.

Deerhounds are bred for deer and other large quarry that why their so big, i find it hard to believe that in years gone bye they waited for a dog to get to 18 months before giving it any type of work, i think its more to do with modern breeding that you have to wait or there legs break, or they don't have the go, or as you put it slow starter.

A working deerhound wouldn't compare to a working saluki on hare and thats a fact