deerhound crosses

[Guest Nightwalker]

HAS ANYONE EVER TRIED A SALUKI GREYHOUND CROSSED WITH A DEERHOUND GREYHOUND FOR ALL ROUND WORK?  :ph34r:

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That's a completely pointless cross, deerhounds arent exactly short of stamina nor are first or second cross deerhound lurchers. Deerhounds are also a shade faster than salukis. I have seen deerhounds run against salukis and the salukis generally come off second best aginst all quarry. Get out on some big land and you will see that a good fit deerhound cross can run hares into the ground just like a fen bred saluki cross. I have a 13 month old, 3/4 bred greyhound deerhound bitch pup now, whose a shade under 29" at the shoulder and 80lbs in weight, we were out mooching at the weekend and she hunted up and ran a hare on a great big field of rape, by my watch she ran that hare for more than 3 1/2 minutes before catching it and retrieving alive to hand and was rearing to go again a few minutes later.

 

Personally I cant see that a saluki/grey x deerhound/grey would have anything over a 3/4 bred deerhound grey or a first cross deerhound/grey and might be less capable on fox and other biting game. I would suspect that bitches bred that way might also be smaller than a first cross or straight 3/4 bred deerhound grey. I really like saluki crosses aad have had quite a number, but I generally prefer bitches to dogs and saluki X bitches are generally too small and light for what I do so several years ago I went back to my first love the deerhound cross. Also, I hate dogs with a lot of white or black colouration (have you ever tried hiding in a hedge with a 27" white dog?) white and black dogs are far too visible for my taste and saluki blood aften brings bad colour.

[Guest HAWKEYE]

i cant see a deerhound being the equal of a saluki at coursng the big land...

Surely the benefits would be a dog not as big as a deerhound xs with added wind, Far better feet , more likely to be a decent REGULAR hare killer , Small enough for the humble sport of rabbit lamping,,,,whilst still haveing enough size and weight to bring bigger game to bear..

[Kane 2]

i cant see a deerhound being the equal of a saluki at coursng the big land...

Surely the benefits would be a dog not as big as a deerhound xs with added wind, Far better feet , more likely to be a decent REGULAR hare killer , Small enough for the humble sport of rabbit lamping,,,,whilst still haveing enough size and weight to bring bigger game to bear..

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The size wouldnt be a problem if they had the heart(gameness) to go with it.Plenty of breed blind people in this thread [bANNED TEXT].Ive seen good dogs of all breeds except Deerhoundxs.Perhaps there are better Deerhoundxs when compared with others of the same breed but when compared with good dogs of other types they just dont cut the mustard.Just my opinion of course.

[Kane 2]

HAS ANYONE EVER TRIED A SALUKI GREYHOUND CROSSED WITH A DEERHOUND GREYHOUND FOR ALL ROUND WORK?  :ph34r:

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That's a completely pointless cross, deerhounds arent exactly short of stamina

 

Personally I cant see that a saluki/grey x deerhound/grey would have anything

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:11: Thats when Deehound blood is usefull when its bred down in size and bred up in hunting/killing instict.You put a Deerhoundx in a competition with a salukix [bANNED TEXT] if you want to bet on the Deerhoundx theres plenty would take your cash :11:

[madhunter 16]

seen both type,s run and my money def on saluki x by a good distance

[Guest mansbestfriend]

theres been a few deerhound crosses (pups) for sale up in the north of scotland near me last week and today in the local paper

[Guest Nightwalker]

Pre-ban, the saluki club and the deerhound club used to have joint coursing meets on the heather in Scotland, there have been saluki v deerhound matches run up there where deerhounds have beaten the saluki. Although arguably given that the match is 'Arabian Gazelle Hound' v 'Scottish Deerhound' the ideal quarry to test these dogs would have been something a lot bigger than a hare.

 

Most of the effort put into breeding match dogs in the last 25 years or so has gone into breeding saluki blooded match dogs. Undoubtedly the match boys have bred some superb hare killers but I have seen some very good hare dogs with no saluki blood in them in them at all, but these dogs have often been one offs whereas there are a number of breeders out there with programmes which consistently produce good hare killing dogs.

[Guest Nightwalker]

i cant see a deerhound being the equal of a saluki at coursng the big land...

Surely the benefits would be a dog not as big as a deerhound xs with added wind, Far better feet , more likely to be a decent REGULAR hare killer , Small enough for the humble sport of rabbit lamping,,,,whilst still haveing enough size and weight to bring bigger game to bear..

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Many deerhound crosses kill rabbits extremely well. Size is one of the main attractions of deerhound crosses, so a cross that reduces the size, weight and strength of the dog is no advantage in my eyes! There are already plenty of medium sized dogs about and most of these lack the combination of sheer power based on size, weight and determination), matched with good speed and stamina to suceed on the largest game. There are also a number of folks like me about who need big strong dogs and deerhound blood usually gives you that (as well as good coat, fantastic temperament, reliabilty at biting and large quarry etc.

[Guest mansbestfriend]

deerhound crosses to me are just the bees knees for all quarry

[Guest mush]

HAS ANYONE EVER TRIED A SALUKI GREYHOUND CROSSED WITH A DEERHOUND GREYHOUND FOR ALL ROUND WORK?  :ph34r:

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That's a completely pointless cross, deerhounds arent exactly short of stamina nor are first or second cross deerhound lurchers. Deerhounds are also a shade faster than salukis. I have seen deerhounds run against salukis and the salukis generally come off second best aginst all quarry. Get out on some big land and you will see that a good fit deerhound cross can run hares into the ground just like a fen bred saluki cross. I have a 13 month old, 3/4 bred greyhound deerhound bitch pup now, whose a shade under 29" at the shoulder and 80lbs in weight, we were out mooching at the weekend and she hunted up and ran a hare on a great big field of rape, by my watch she ran that hare for more than 3 1/2 minutes before catching it and retrieving alive to hand and was rearing to go again a few minutes later.

 

Your having laugh :11: mate if you think a deerhound or D cross could live with a saluki or S cross on hare.

I have a video of a deerhound x running against a saluki x , the deerhound led for a bit and then the saluki x took over and killed the hare after anther couple of minutes, the deerhound x was left far far behind. And I've seen plenty of live courses with D x's and S x's to no which is the better.

What you have to remember is a lot of salukis or saluki cross will let another dog kill its self trying unsuccessfully to catch a hare and then take over , they arent stupid they know how to run a hare .

[Guest mush]

[bANNED TEXT] if you want to bet on the Deerhoundx theres plenty would take your cash :11:

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:11: you bet there is

[Guest mush]

Most of the effort put into breeding match dogs in the last 25 years or so has gone into breeding saluki blooded match dogs. Undoubtedly the match boys have bred some superb hare killers but I have seen some very good hare dogs with no saluki blood in them in them at all, but these dogs have often been one offs whereas there are a number of breeders out there with programmes which consistently produce good hare killing dogs.

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So why arent there any Deerhound match dogs? :whistle:

[Guest Nightwalker]

Most of the effort put into breeding match dogs in the last 25 years or so has gone into breeding saluki blooded match dogs. Undoubtedly the match boys have bred some superb hare killers but I have seen some very good hare dogs with no saluki blood in them in them at all, but these dogs have often been one offs whereas there are a number of breeders out there with programmes which consistently produce good hare killing dogs.

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So why arent there any Deerhound match dogs? :whistle:

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Largely fashion I think, deerhound crosses went out of fashion about 20 years ago - largely thanks to the writing of dbp and the craze he started for merle's/collie crosses. Things have changed againn recently and the bull x is very popular, who knows what will become popular next. The deerhound cross went out of fashion, just as saluki crosses were beginning to get a hold. There have never been that many deerhounds about and fewer still that work, although many people claim that any rubbish with a rough coat is a deerhound cross so it's much harder to get good dogs to start a breeding line than it is with the saluki and no-one seems to have imported dogs from really tried and tested stock in the USA or down under to help remedy this yet. Perhaps I'll have a go at breeding some when I get too old to carry on chasing those bigger things.

[mistwalker 0]

Your having laugh :11: mate if you think a deerhound or D cross could live with a saluki or S cross on hare.

I have a video of a deerhound x running against a saluki x , the deerhound led for a bit and then the saluki x took over and killed the hare after anther couple of minutes, the deerhound x was left far far behind. And I've seen plenty of live courses with D x's and S x's to no which is the better.

What you have to remember is a lot of salukis or saluki cross will let another dog kill its self trying unsuccessfully to catch a hare and then take over , they arent stupid they know how to run a hare .

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Has anyone thought that some of these matches come down to the quality and quantity of training put into the dog? If someone puts lots of effort into a deerhound x and the saluki gets a walk once per week - obviously the saluki's gonna get humped (and vice versa).

[Guest Keeps]

A good while ago I talked to a woman with deerhounds who was in the deerhound coursing club. She said that the deerhounds regularly beat the salukis coursing in Scotland because they were better equipped for the environment there and that their feet were much better on the heather. I know nothing about saluki's so I can't comment on whether deer x's are better than saluki x's, never seen them run together, but what I do know is there is a dash of deerhound blood somewhere along the line in a lot of coursing lurchers.

 

I'm very happy with my deer x, I know they are no longer fashionable and not everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't swap mine for anything