MissRhianL 70 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Hi guys, just put in for my shot gun license, i got a safe but it was made in a fabricating place its got 2x locking mechanisms for pad locks, the guy i bought it off said he had his guns init and it was fine, just wondering if it really is or do i need to buy a brand new one? thanks Rhian Quote Link to post
cragman 2,788 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) I would say no to that safe being passed, especially if there's any "play" once the padlocks are in place. Padlocks are easily broken off. The police like to see snug fitting doors on safes with five point locking hinges with inward return edges to deter the door from being levered off. But there again, each force interpret the law differently. Edited April 29, 2011 by cragman Quote Link to post
JamesK 2 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Hi guys, just put in for my shot gun license, i got a safe but it was made in a fabricating place its got 2x locking mechanisms for pad locks, the guy i bought it off said he had his guns init and it was fine, just wondering if it really is or do i need to buy a brand new one? thanks Rhian No way, padlocks will never pass a gun safe inspection. Quote Link to post
matt_hooks 188 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Hi guys, just put in for my shot gun license, i got a safe but it was made in a fabricating place its got 2x locking mechanisms for pad locks, the guy i bought it off said he had his guns init and it was fine, just wondering if it really is or do i need to buy a brand new one? thanks Rhian No way, padlocks will never pass a gun safe inspection. Course they will, if they're good enough padlocks! The security level required is "to BS7558/92 or equivalent. If the padlocks are as secure then they will pass. I know people who have cabinets passed for FAC, up to and including .308, and only padlocks securing them. Quote Link to post
MissRhianL 70 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 thanks for the replys guys Quote Link to post
SEAN3513 7 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 aslong as the point where the paddlocks hook through are welded on or the bolt heads aren't visible whilst locked im sure it will be fine. Quote Link to post
weldersunited 0 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) Unfortunately it will depend entitirely on your FEO and how he views the cabinet and quite possibly your other household security you may have in place. I seem to remember reading something in the home office guidelines about layers of security, eg external, house etc with the cabinet itself being the 3rd layer- the last resort after all other layers had been breached (I do stand to be corrected though!). I had a one very similar to yours for years and it was always fine, then a new FEO took over the area and he condemned it on his first visit despite my protestations! His main concern if i remember correctly wasn't the padlocks themselves but the pins that secure the hasp and staple mechanism- he was of the opinion that it would be easy to file these off and knock out with a pin punch, giving easy access to the guns inside I ended up fabricating myself a cabinet but in all honesty it would have been much cheaper and easier to buy one! Edited April 30, 2011 by weldersunited Quote Link to post
JamesK 2 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 three gun cabinet and expanding bolts are only 100 quid, they're easy to fit i got one of them and it passed straight away, they're not expensive and worth getting. Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 If you look at any recent post from Deker and click on the link in his sig, it takes you to the website of a firm who make fully approved gun and ammo safes. Worth a butchers. Ric PS no connection. PPS That's a pint you owe me Deker. Quote Link to post
HUnter_zero 58 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 As already stated, it depends on the FEO. My mate owns a metal fabrication business and makes his own cabinets. His cabinets are by far and wide much better than anything currently available but he also includes security features that are on "commercial" cabinets. Anti-jemmy doors / hinges. The main difference with his cabinets are he makes them to any size at all and 5mm steel with reinforced steam welds. The big problem is his are not British standards marked and that exactly what the FEO is looking for. We live in a blame culture and if the FEO passed a not B.S cabinet, the guns got nicked who is to be blamed? Not the thief that's for sure You have two options, simply install the cabinet you have and if the FEO will not pass it, then buy another and install. It's not going to stop the application process. Or simply buy another cabinet. My first cabinet was made of wood!!! but the FEO said he wouldn't pass it for firearms John Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 One of the FEOs that has visited me once said the standard 2mm cabinets built to the BS standard are considered by them to be "20 minute proof." If the cabinet is of decent construction, with some form of very heavy duty padlocks, they may pass it. It is easier to buy a pre-built cabinet to save any hassle, but its worth a go. Quote Link to post
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