bolting terriers

[DottyDoo 500]

keep the thoughts comin guys

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Alot of shite talked on this thread. Nothing new there then.

 

I have a bitch here that I rate fairly highly. She is not the best in the world by no stretch of the immagination but has never failed me.

 

She will bolt about 60% of her foxes she is a bayer and stayer. This is what Dotty is talking about (i hope). A dog that does 20 minutes then comes away is not a bolter its a spewer.

 

My bitch finds second to none and if it can bolt it will if it cant she will stay to the bitter end. Even as a bayer she very rarely comes off without a mark.

 

A good bayer should be baying on its quarry not at it from 3 foot away.

 

I dont really get the question tbh dotty. A bayer and stayer is probably the best type of terrier IMO for regualar graft so of course it would be worthy of breeding off given time to prove itself.

 

The test of a working terrier is whether it can find and stay with its quarry. Wheter it bays at it or goes in and mangles it is irrelevant.

 

If a fox is in a stop end it cannot bolt unless the terrier chucks it or lets it past. Again, not a bolting terrier. A spewer.

 

Thats my take on it anyway.

 

Silly boys can keep their rock hard mute terriers they only impress those of us easily impressed. They have their uses but one is enough in any mans yard.

 

FTB

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Feck me sideways I got a bit carried away there

 

FTB

[fat man 4,741]

Feck me sideways I got a bit carried away there

 

FTB

f**k me ftb you really gave it shit there but have to agree with you very well put.

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Feck me sideways I got a bit carried away there

 

FTB

f**k me ftb you really gave it shit there but have to agree with you very well put.

Was pretty bad that.

 

FTB

[DottyDoo 500]

Alot of shite talked on this thread. Nothing new there then.

 

I have a bitch here that I rate fairly highly. She is not the best in the world by no stretch of the immagination but has never failed me.

 

She will bolt about 60% of her foxes she is a bayer and stayer. This is what Dotty is talking about (i hope). A dog that does 20 minutes then comes away is not a bolter its a spewer.

 

My bitch finds second to none and if it can bolt it will if it cant she will stay to the bitter end. Even as a bayer she very rarely comes off without a mark.

 

A good bayer should be baying on its quarry not at it from 3 foot away.

 

I dont really get the question tbh dotty. A bayer and stayer is probably the best type of terrier IMO for regualar graft so of course it would be worthy of breeding off given time to prove itself.

 

The test of a working terrier is whether it can find and stay with its quarry. Wheter it bays at it or goes in and mangles it is irrelevant.

 

If a fox is in a stop end it cannot bolt unless the terrier chucks it or lets it past. Again, not a bolting terrier. A spewer.

 

Thats my take on it anyway.

 

Silly boys can keep their rock hard mute terriers they only impress those of us easily impressed. They have their uses but one is enough in any mans yard.

 

FTB

 

 

is yer bitch fae a line a bolters? or where they yer average run a the mill digging dogs??

 

what would ye breed her to? anything specific? or a worker will do??

 

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Alot of shite talked on this thread. Nothing new there then.

 

I have a bitch here that I rate fairly highly. She is not the best in the world by no stretch of the immagination but has never failed me.

 

She will bolt about 60% of her foxes she is a bayer and stayer. This is what Dotty is talking about (i hope). A dog that does 20 minutes then comes away is not a bolter its a spewer.

 

My bitch finds second to none and if it can bolt it will if it cant she will stay to the bitter end. Even as a bayer she very rarely comes off without a mark.

 

A good bayer should be baying on its quarry not at it from 3 foot away.

 

I dont really get the question tbh dotty. A bayer and stayer is probably the best type of terrier IMO for regualar graft so of course it would be worthy of breeding off given time to prove itself.

 

The test of a working terrier is whether it can find and stay with its quarry. Wheter it bays at it or goes in and mangles it is irrelevant.

 

If a fox is in a stop end it cannot bolt unless the terrier chucks it or lets it past. Again, not a bolting terrier. A spewer.

 

Thats my take on it anyway.

 

Silly boys can keep their rock hard mute terriers they only impress those of us easily impressed. They have their uses but one is enough in any mans yard.

 

FTB

 

 

is yer bitch fae a line a bolters? or where they yer average run a the mill digging dogs??

 

what would ye breed her to? anything specific? or a worker will do??

 

 

 

She is very well bred from a well known line of decent digging russels. Wont mention names, its irrelevant.

 

She will be bred to a hard digging dog from the same line, quite close.

 

Have tried the mating twice now and she failed to take. She is nearly 9 year old now so maybe past it I dont know. Dog is 10 so maybe he is past it? I can only try and hope.

 

She is not the best dog I have dug to but she is the best dog I have owned. And this will likely remain the case for a while.

 

 

FTB

Edited April 30, 2011 by FightTheBan

[DottyDoo 500]

Alot of shite talked on this thread. Nothing new there then.

 

I have a bitch here that I rate fairly highly. She is not the best in the world by no stretch of the immagination but has never failed me.

 

She will bolt about 60% of her foxes she is a bayer and stayer. This is what Dotty is talking about (i hope). A dog that does 20 minutes then comes away is not a bolter its a spewer.

 

My bitch finds second to none and if it can bolt it will if it cant she will stay to the bitter end. Even as a bayer she very rarely comes off without a mark.

 

A good bayer should be baying on its quarry not at it from 3 foot away.

 

I dont really get the question tbh dotty. A bayer and stayer is probably the best type of terrier IMO for regualar graft so of course it would be worthy of breeding off given time to prove itself.

 

The test of a working terrier is whether it can find and stay with its quarry. Wheter it bays at it or goes in and mangles it is irrelevant.

 

If a fox is in a stop end it cannot bolt unless the terrier chucks it or lets it past. Again, not a bolting terrier. A spewer.

 

Thats my take on it anyway.

 

Silly boys can keep their rock hard mute terriers they only impress those of us easily impressed. They have their uses but one is enough in any mans yard.

 

FTB

 

 

is yer bitch fae a line a bolters? or where they yer average run a the mill digging dogs??

 

what would ye breed her to? anything specific? or a worker will do??

 

 

 

She is very well bred from a well known line of decent digging russels. Wont mention names, its irrelevant.

 

She will be bred to a hard digging dog from the same line, quite close.

 

Have tried the mating twice now and she failed to take. She is nearly 9 year old now so maybe past it I dont know. Dog is 10 so maybe he is past it? I can only try and hope.

 

 

FTB

 

 

[JR Yipp 111]

JR how can it shift if its in a stop end and if it does it means the dog has let it past which also means the dog is shite.Im at it a long time,since the mid 70s and i have seen that they either bolt straight off or they go to a stop.I have also heard lads make excuses for there dogs when you are diging down and just about through and then a bolt.They then turn around and say it was not in a stop only in the tube after maybe diging for 2 to 3 hours,when the simple answer is the fox had pushed by the dog end off.Any terrier that lets a fox push them should not be bred from.

 

if its in a stop end then it stays till its dug to. simple. however in big places they are more often than not in a stop end. not many dog enter an earth and work their fox in a stop end where they find it, with your time digging im usre you will now there is generally movemnet first. noone talked of dogs being pushed past, your right they dont warrent breeding of.

 

as for the talk of soft dogs, most good constiant bolters are not soft atall, and like ive said in my experince tend to go in hard and then settle down. its the intial flurry of activity that tends to get foxes going.

 

would i rather dig a 100 meter land with no stop ends or have a quick bolt,bolt. would i like to move 100 hessten bails or have a bolt,bolt. would i rather dig an old farm tip or go home for the genertor and angle grinder... i think id rather a bolt.

so i shall turn my bolting type bitch in that has proved she has a knack for bolting foxes out of some fearsome places and try and get a result, if nowt bolts time to get to her but if all goes well id of been on to the next place with a couple in the bag.

 

edited to say.... ive been saying much the same as FTB from the beging, yet you agree with him Fatman, so what do you really think.

Edited April 30, 2011 by JR Yipp

[fat man 4,741]

YR ive had some very difficult digs over the years and a lot were pre locater,but the satisfaction of breaking through to your terrier after hours of hard graft on both the dogs behalh and your own is second to none.Not all the bolts in the world could compare to it,and believe me i have been in some awkward places,a lot of them i should not have even been on the land let alone diging it.A bolt is grand if you have lurchers about and you want a run but as for guns i dont see any sport in shooting a fox.I dont dig for hounds so i dont need a bolt.I have dug under farm buildings,through the floor of an old railway wagon with the help of a consaw and one of the worst was under the slab of a silage pitt.Bales are handy enough as long as you have some help to move them.I once had to cut the tarmac on the side off the main rd to get to the dog,lucky it was a week day and we stuck hi viz vests on a the moterists thought we were council workers,so yes i have dug in some bad places but dont regret it one bit.Give me a dig before a bolt anyday.

[Moorsman 17]

Bollocks yipp horses for courses but if Charlie boy ain't movin it's no good havin a 20 min wonder when a dog bitch who will give plenty of pressure can be dug to jmo

[JR Yipp 111]

im a glad an agree with every word you say. been there and done it to and wouldnt change it for the world. if you do enough then you will encounter all these situation and take them in-hand. however when theres a job to be done and results to be got in the quickest possible time you need all the tools in your box. i agree with the gun remark and have rarely used lurchers with terriers... perhaps now you see where i come from.

 

so for having all the tools in the box and back to the original question, a dog that does this well and puts game above ground quickly and efficiently and also shows the other traits it requires to to be bred off is worth feeding and if put to the correct dog worth breeding of to.

[JR Yipp 111]

Bollocks yipp horses for courses but if Charlie boy ain't movin it's no good havin a 20 min wonder when a dog bitch who will give plenty of pressure can be dug to jmo

 

who said it was?? not me. so no not bollocks thanks moorman.

 

edited to add can people please read posts properly before replying. i have already stated soft dogs and dogs that left foxes past are not what IM talking about. and yes this included 10 min wanders, yo yos and your poodle crosses.

Edited April 30, 2011 by JR Yipp

[fat man 4,741]

I will agree to a certain extend jr with what you have said.I would not and have never bred from a bitch or dog that was not capable of finishing a fox ,but thats a different topic.Now what you say is true if you have a huntsman waiting with the pack for a bolt,well then the quicker the better for the terrier mans sake,but i personally dont think you can breed such a dog.Its either a sounder..mixer or the harder type and as said already a fox will bolt from a ferret let alone a terrier.Some dogs dont and wont put enough presure on a fox to drive him to a stop so he has plenty of time to bolt providing there are enough entrances to make his escape and a lot of that type of dog will and do get pushed by there fox until it eventually bolts.At the end of the day i for one would rather dig one 8ft hole than 3..4 3ft holes to a terrier that wont stand its ground when the presere is on.Dont get me wrong i know that there are good what i call mixing dogs about but as for the yappers i have no time for them.

[JR Yipp 111]

fair enough. i get your perspective and agree with it, perhaps if it was a hobby id be the same.

 

i will still stand by the fact that they can be bred and developed, some dogs just seem to get that the fox is meant to be on top and do their best to get it there. i have a place for them.