bolting terriers

[rocket ronnie 243]

Define a bolter

 

 

a dog that stays wae a fox until it bolts or dug to, but never been dug to cos they have bolted lol

 

If it stays till dug to then it aint a bolter,and if it dosent and comes out then its a quitter.I dont think there is any such terrier as a fox if not in a stop end given a chance will bolt from a hard dog same as a sounder,and if they dont bolt then i for one would not be impressed with a terrier coming away.Some lads like a terrier that will do maybe 20 minutes to ground and if no bolt come away and move on but that is not terrier work in my eyes.I would much rather get a dig no matter the dept than to see it bolt.

I agree bud

feck me someone talking sense on thl thats one for the album

[tinytiger 840]

A fox will bolt from its own shadow most times ,even a hob ferret will do .Any terrier or any dog for that matter that can fit down a hole will bolt a fox that can get away .A dog that stands off its fox is the one that gets most bolts ,something i detest.The terrier allows the fox the freedom to move and charlie will use that everytime .IMO its the road to ruin when breeding from two of this type .Bolts happen no matter what you do apart from stopping in .My advice to anyone working terriers is to savour the dig at every opportunity and treat bolts as a hazard of the job and deal accordingly.We should be keeping the digging qualities alive rather than a cowardly second rate yappy excuse .

 

 

Agree with you there fox dropper,my father reckons the best bolting dog he ever had was a yorkie/poodle cross (back in the early 50s)-she annoyed them into bolting-never got in harms way

[liamdelaney 2,587]

Define a bolter

 

 

a dog that stays wae a fox until it bolts or dug to, but never been dug to cos they have bolted lol

 

If it stays till dug to then it aint a bolter,and if it dosent and comes out then its a quitter.I dont think there is any such terrier as a fox if not in a stop end given a chance will bolt from a hard dog same as a sounder,and if they dont bolt then i for one would not be impressed with a terrier coming away.Some lads like a terrier that will do maybe 20 minutes to ground and if no bolt come away and move on but that is not terrier work in my eyes.I would much rather get a dig no matter the dept than to see it bolt.

 

That sums up the question.End of story.

[Moorsman 17]

Define a bolter

 

 

a dog that stays wae a fox until it bolts or dug to, but never been dug to cos they have bolted lol

 

If it stays till dug to then it aint a bolter,and if it dosent and comes out then its a quitter.I dont think there is any such terrier as a fox if not in a stop end given a chance will bolt from a hard dog same as a sounder,and if they dont bolt then i for one would not be impressed with a terrier coming away.Some lads like a terrier that will do maybe 20 minutes to ground and if no bolt come away and move on but that is not terrier work in my eyes.I would much rather get a dig no matter the dept than to see it bolt.

[Moorsman 17]

Fm hats off to you,you nails it again

[Guest busterdog]

A fox will bolt from its own shadow most times ,even a hob ferret will do .Any terrier or any dog for that matter that can fit down a hole will bolt a fox that can get away .A dog that stands off its fox is the one that gets most bolts ,something i detest.The terrier allows the fox the freedom to move and charlie will use that everytime .IMO its the road to ruin when breeding from two of this type .Bolts happen no matter what you do apart from stopping in .My advice to anyone working terriers is to savour the dig at every opportunity and treat bolts as a hazard of the job and deal accordingly.We should be keeping the digging qualities alive rather than a cowardly second rate yappy excuse .

 

 

Straight forward and spot on, IMO if a dog only bolts foxes and can't be dug to then it should never be bred from.

[snizle06 202]

tough fox will bolt the bolter.

[mudd dog 128]

i've seen foxs bolting from burras even before a terrier has been collared up. work that out then!!

[mudd dog 128]

BOLTING DOG????? whats that??? a 20minute walkout!!!!! i've seen and have put better to sleep.

[JR Yipp 111]

the lad define his thoughts on a bolting dog as one that if it dosent bolt a fox will stay until jobs done.

 

if you dont think some dogs naturally bolt foxes better than others or that some just have a knack for it then you ha vent done enough. in my experience its the ones that go in real hard with little baying and then settle off half a foot that get them shifted.

 

there are dogs that pass this trait on and work to great affect and there is nothing wrong with breeding form them to get a type.if a fox is required to be ontop quickly why use a dog that will keep it under the turf. as i said horses for courses, aslong as its seeing the job through to the end then its winning.

Edited April 30, 2011 by JR Yipp

[NEWSBOY 306]

loads of work/fox to be had with a little soft dog, with lurcher or gun, just dont mix em with the digging dogs.

[fat man 4,741]

JR how can it shift if its in a stop end and if it does it means the dog has let it past which also means the dog is shite.Im at it a long time,since the mid 70s and i have seen that they either bolt straight off or they go to a stop.I have also heard lads make excuses for there dogs when you are diging down and just about through and then a bolt.They then turn around and say it was not in a stop only in the tube after maybe diging for 2 to 3 hours,when the simple answer is the fox had pushed by the dog end off.Any terrier that lets a fox push them should not be bred from.

["Earth!" 503]

Ive what could be defined as an out and out bolter,99% of the time she will push/bolt them but should they not want to bolt, she will quite happily stick to them until dug to of which ive only had to dig to her half a dozen times.

yet ive only heard her bay 3 or 4 times so i assume she just nips at them.

 

I would never put a bayer/bolter to a bolter, the other half of the breeding must always be a digging terrier!

 

Good to have the bolting type BUT i wouldnt want a kennel full of them!!!

[Cleanspade 3,324]

as usual theirs ony one type of terrier on the face of the earth worth breeding off a good bolting terrier is worth its weight in gold. if i was a digging man i wouldnt put bolting types through my dogs either. but if you like a good bolt then surely thats what you want. and should breed for those qualities. . i woud define a bolting terrier as a dog that gets a higher percentage of foxes to bolt. this type of terrier is usually a cull to the diehard digging lads.but then a good digging dog is nine times out of ten a pain in the arse to someone who wants a quick bolt and the fox on top asap.

 

tel me this why does it allways come down to the fact that only one workstyle is worth keeping. and everything else is shyte. different tasks need different qualities. they ALL have their uses. and all earthdogs should be preserved for the future be they bolters stayers or even a terrier that can be called out

 

as a ps. the best bolting dogs. generally are used like ferrets and can get a very high % af foxes to shift. in the right hands there is only a very small amount that cant be accounted for. as far as pest control goes. they are a very efficient tool

[NEWSBOY 306]

no need to breed the soft types, always plenty free t good homes at the start of the season