bolting terriers

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

............Hence why you call yourself clean spade i guess .

[fat man 4,741]

Funny keven,but your no jcb yourself.I hear your show is next door to me this year,get some posters done up and i will stick them up for you.

[Malt 379]

as usual theirs ony one type of terrier on the face of the earth worth breeding off a good bolting terrier is worth its weight in gold. if i was a digging man i wouldnt put bolting types through my dogs either. but if you like a good bolt then surely thats what you want. and should breed for those qualities. . i woud define a bolting terrier as a dog that gets a higher percentage of foxes to bolt. this type of terrier is usually a cull to the diehard digging lads.but then a good digging dog is nine times out of ten a pain in the arse to someone who wants a quick bolt and the fox on top asap.

 

tel me this why does it allways come down to the fact that only one workstyle is worth keeping. and everything else is shyte. different tasks need different qualities. they ALL have their uses. and all earthdogs should be preserved for the future be they bolters stayers or even a terrier that can be called out

 

as a ps. the best bolting dogs. generally are used like ferrets and can get a very high % af foxes to shift. in the right hands there is only a very small amount that cant be accounted for. as far as pest control goes. they are a very efficient tool

 

 

Alot of shite talked on this thread. Nothing new there then.

 

I have a bitch here that I rate fairly highly. She is not the best in the world by no stretch of the immagination but has never failed me.

 

She will bolt about 60% of her foxes she is a bayer and stayer. This is what Dotty is talking about (i hope). A dog that does 20 minutes then comes away is not a bolter its a spewer.

 

My bitch finds second to none and if it can bolt it will if it cant she will stay to the bitter end. Even as a bayer she very rarely comes off without a mark.

 

A good bayer should be baying on its quarry not at it from 3 foot away.

 

I dont really get the question tbh dotty. A bayer and stayer is probably the best type of terrier IMO for regualar graft so of course it would be worthy of breeding off given time to prove itself.

 

The test of a working terrier is whether it can find and stay with its quarry. Wheter it bays at it or goes in and mangles it is irrelevant.

 

If a fox is in a stop end it cannot bolt unless the terrier chucks it or lets it past. Again, not a bolting terrier. A spewer.

 

Thats my take on it anyway.

 

Silly boys can keep their rock hard mute terriers they only impress those of us easily impressed. They have their uses but one is enough in any mans yard.

 

FTB

 

Best posts on the thread for me.

 

 

 

 

fair enough. i get your perspective and agree with it, perhaps if it was a hobby id be the same.

 

i will still stand by the fact that they can be bred and developed, some dogs just seem to get that the fox is meant to be on top and do their best to get it there. i have a place for them.

 

THERE IS A PLACE FOR AL TYPES AND AL WORKSTYES SHOULD BE BRED FOR

 

Sorry mate but i couldnt agree less .Ive seen good lines ruined by professional terriermen that require bolting ,20 minute wonder dogs and from men that should know better .Bolting dogs CAN be created but to the detriment of the worker as a whole .I fully understand the work of a terrierman past and present but hate to see a good digging line used for these purposes .If its a bolter you want then get a russel ,lol .

 

 

 

 

The dog that has this disposition is, im afraid to say ,scared of the fox and gives him enough room to manouvre for a bolt .Get yourself a ferret mate .

 

 

How would you clear foxes from farm tips containing 50 odd years worth of buried scrap and shite then? I've seen foxes bolted from places you'd never dig in a million years.

[Dillon 53]

Ive had bolters stayers and plenty of spewers, if a bloke needs this type of dog for the stuff his permission holds or the job he is paid to do, so long as these dogs dont get put into a line of tried and tested digging types then whats the harm in breeding them? they are for his own use or for people around him to use who are in a similar position? some of the proffesional terriermen would be sacked in an instant if they were stuck on an 8ft dig twice a day on hunting days, or trying to go stopping with a dog that would crash in and kill his fox, these people need these types of dogs so why not breed them for their job? its when they get put into the lines of dogs that rely on staying ability that it becomes a no no.

Its down to honesty at the end of the day, the GENUINE bloke will not tell lies about his 30 minute bitch when putting pups out or enquiring who wants them, they are bred to do a job and he knows they wouldnt ever make the grade as out and out stayers. If your digging is for pleasure or indeed in the halcyon days when digging old brock was legal then you simply wouldnt use this type of dog as you would require something much more suited to the type of graft it was doing, you would however benefit from one on the odd occasion believe me.

So long as the breeding is controlled and they give the owner a vital tool then its the right thing to do surely?

[fat man 4,741]

Dillon its ok for lads to breed that type of dog as long as they keep them too them selves,but a lot of lads see the £signs on the end of a pups tail and say what the f**k if so and so can get £200 for a pup why not me and then the same pup gets bred from again and after a few year there is shite all over the place.I have seen really good looking terriers that were no good for earth work been bred and the pups sold as workers even though the parents were shit.It is more easy to tell a few porkeys than to turn down £200 and you with maybe 6 pups on your yard espesially the way the recession has hit a lot of people.Money makes some people do quare things and selling a pup from non workers would be very low on the list.Some lads might get lucky and the pup they buy may work and work well so they breed thinking there bitch has come from a long line of workers and sell telling people the same unknown to them that all they have is a one hit wonder.At least when you breed worker to worker there is a chance if some off the off spring work that they in turn at some stage will be bred to a worker.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

Ive had bolters stayers and plenty of spewers, if a bloke needs this type of dog for the stuff his permission holds or the job he is paid to do, so long as these dogs dont get put into a line of tried and tested digging types then whats the harm in breeding them? they are for his own use or for people around him to use who are in a similar position? some of the proffesional terriermen would be sacked in an instant if they were stuck on an 8ft dig twice a day on hunting days, or trying to go stopping with a dog that would crash in and kill his fox, these people need these types of dogs so why not breed them for their job? its when they get put into the lines of dogs that rely on staying ability that it becomes a no no.

Its down to honesty at the end of the day, the GENUINE bloke will not tell lies about his 30 minute bitch when putting pups out or enquiring who wants them, they are bred to do a job and he knows they wouldnt ever make the grade as out and out stayers. If your digging is for pleasure or indeed in the halcyon days when digging old brock was legal then you simply wouldnt use this type of dog as you would require something much more suited to the type of graft it was doing, you would however benefit from one on the odd occasion believe me.

So long as the breeding is controlled and they give the owner a vital tool then its the right thing to do surely?

 

that sums it up for me

[Bryan 1,362]

Im at it a long time,since the mid 70s and i have seen that they either bolt straight off or they go to a stop.

 

In all that time you've never once dug to a fox being held mid tunnel?

 

I'd see that a couple of times a season, I'm amazed you haven't seen it once in nearly 40 years?

[fat man 4,741]

Never did with fox bryan,seen it plenty with badger.pre ban.I think the reason a fox will bolt from a so called bolting terrier is that the dog is giving the fox time and space to move about,where as a harder type will put the presure on and thet either get out or pay the ultimate price.Most sounders will give tongue almost straight away if foxy is home so the fox has every chance to get out before the terrier even gets to it,much the same as a hound say goin into cover,when he picks up the scent he opens up and foxy is out the other end with plenty of space between him and hound.I dont mind a hard dog and a dog that mixes it sounds as well is ideal but i have no time for a terrier that stands of 2 or 3 ft from its fox yaping its head of.

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Never did with fox bryan,seen it plenty with badger.pre ban.I think the reason a fox will bolt from a so called bolting terrier is that the dog is giving the fox time and space to move about,where as a harder type will put the presure on and thet either get out or pay the ultimate price.Most sounders will give tongue almost straight away if foxy is home so the fox has every chance to get out before the terrier even gets to it,much the same as a hound say goin into cover,when he picks up the scent he opens up and foxy is out the other end with plenty of space between him and hound.I dont mind a hard dog and a dog that mixes it sounds as well is ideal but i have no time for a terrier that stands of 2 or 3 ft from its fox yaping its head of.

 

 

Only the poor ones IMO

 

FTB

[Tally Ho Hunter 60]

to be fare this is one of the best topics ive ever read i can clearly relate to it but pesonally 90% of my charlie were bolts last season and to be honest it was beging to become boring so ive moved on to a diffrent strain with a bit of hope i get somewere because for me hunting is not a numbers game but a one were i take pride in watching brave dogs take care of there work properly so for me its a no on them bolting dogs although i do no that they cant be dug everytime so remember its not [bANNED TEXT] you catch its what your catching it with that matters.

["Earth!" 503]

Never did with fox bryan,seen it plenty with badger.pre ban.I think the reason a fox will bolt from a so called bolting terrier is that the dog is giving the fox time and space to move about,where as a harder type will put the presure on and thet either get out or pay the ultimate price.Most sounders will give tongue almost straight away if foxy is home so the fox has every chance to get out before the terrier even gets to it,much the same as a hound say goin into cover,when he picks up the scent he opens up and foxy is out the other end with plenty of space between him and hound.I dont mind a hard dog and a dog that mixes it sounds as well is ideal but i have no time for a terrier that stands of 2 or 3 ft from its fox yaping its head of.

 

id not entertain any terrier 2-3foot from quarry, bayer or not,it must be 2-3 inches.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

Never did with fox bryan,seen it plenty with badger.pre ban.I think the reason a fox will bolt from a so called bolting terrier is that the dog is giving the fox time and space to move about,where as a harder type will put the presure on and thet either get out or pay the ultimate price.Most sounders will give tongue almost straight away if foxy is home so the fox has every chance to get out before the terrier even gets to it,much the same as a hound say goin into cover,when he picks up the scent he opens up and foxy is out the other end with plenty of space between him and hound.I dont mind a hard dog and a dog that mixes it sounds as well is ideal but i have no time for a terrier that stands of 2 or 3 ft from its fox yaping its head of.

 

if a terrier is standing two feet off the fox then it aint a good boting dog. as a fair persentage of foxes take a little persuading to shift em. the best bolting dogs ive seen get close to the fox and fence with it. i agree with foxdropper that they have a fear of the fox. and thats how they take less punishment. its my opinion that some foxes will bolt long before a terrier gets up to them. these foxes will bolt just as quick with whatever terrier you fancy putting in. unless that is. they feel for some reason they will be safer taking their chances below. i think probably the biggest difference is how the terriermen go about the job. yis

 

i had one of them really vocal dogs that would start baying at the mouth of the hole. we broke through to him with a fox fastened to his top jaw still baying for all he was worth

[hack 301]

for me personally wouldnt breed off a dog that just bolts a terrier needs to stay to ground no matter how long wether its 10 minutes or hours to be fully

 

tested i can see why some lads would want them like out with the hounds etc but not for me personally

somebody said before you need a bolter in undiggable places for me anybodt who puts a dog in a place like that is mad just my opion

[dave mac 58]

i dont think bert gripton was mad, read his letter in april edrd mag,bolting terriers have place ,for me its up to the owner of the terrier weather he /she breeds from it, as there the one,s going to work it,if you dont want or need a bolter then you wont have one in your kennels,but if you do then you will have,

[FightTheBan 1,147]

for me personally wouldnt breed off a dog that just bolts a terrier needs to stay to ground no matter how long wether its 10 minutes or hours to be fully

tested i can see why some lads would want them like out with the hounds etc but not for me personally

somebody said before you need a bolter in undiggable places for me anybodt who puts a dog in a place like that is mad just my opion

 

You seem to consistently miss the point on every post you make. You are either illiterate or dont understand fully what you are talking about.

 

A good bolting terrier IMO is one which bolts most of its foxes. It still stays to ground when the fox cannot be shifted as is often the case.

 

What you are describing is NOT a bolting terrier it is a 10 minute wonder. There is a big difference.

 

I hope that clears it up for you as you seem to be continuously confused.

 

FTB