kevin em 342 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 YR ive had some very difficult digs over the years and a lot were pre locater,but the satisfaction of breaking through to your terrier after hours of hard graft on both the dogs behalh and your own is second to none.Not all the bolts in the world could compare to it,and believe me i have been in some awkward places,a lot of them i should not have even been on the land let alone diging it.A bolt is grand if you have lurchers about and you want a run but as for guns i dont see any sport in shooting a fox.I dont dig for hounds so i dont need a bolt.I have dug under farm buildings,through the floor of an old railway wagon with the help of a consaw and one of the worst was under the slab of a silage pitt.Bales are handy enough as long as you have some help to move them.I once had to cut the tarmac on the side off the main rd to get to the dog,lucky it was a week day and we stuck hi viz vests on a the moterists thought we were council workers,so yes i have dug in some bad places but dont regret it one bit.Give me a dig before a bolt anyday. they wood of definately thought you were a council worker fatman because you were the one lying on the shovel Quote Link to post
fat man 4,741 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 fair enough. i get your perspective and agree with it, perhaps if it was a hobby id be the same. i will still stand by the fact that they can be bred and developed, some dogs just seem to get that the fox is meant to be on top and do their best to get it there. i have a place for them. At the end of the day we all have to stick together no matter what type we keep or how or what we use them for.Best of luck to you and your dogs next season,yis..fm. Quote Link to post
Moorsman 17 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Like I said horses for courses but I ain't hunted for a pack so there for I.ve not needed a ten min wonder but still can't see the point in walking away from the quarry. After the chase jmo Quote Link to post
JR Yipp 111 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 walking anway from quarry has not been mentioned!!!! Quote Link to post
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Like I said horses for courses but I ain't hunted for a pack so there for I.ve not needed a ten min wonder but still can't see the point in walking away from the quarry. After the chase jmo He has not said that...he never has. read his posts. Not sticking up for JR I think he is gimp anyway, but if you are going to criticise him at least read his post. Ta FTB Quote Link to post
Moorsman 17 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Any dog bitch that comes away after 20mins don't tell me it's only a bolter it's a spewer fact an hard dog bitch with pressure will bolt one but not something that's looking for a 1 out of 10 ratio keep em mate but don't breed off em Quote Link to post
JR Yipp 111 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Like I said horses for courses but I ain't hunted for a pack so there for I.ve not needed a ten min wonder but still can't see the point in walking away from the quarry. After the chase jmo He has not said that...he never has. read his posts. Not sticking up for JR I think he is gimp anyway, but if you are going to criticise him at least read his post. Ta FTB cheers gimp means alot, we know the love is mutual. :kiss: :kiss: i thinks hes still missing the point so i give up. Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Thought you would have done hours ago Quote Link to post
Moorsman 17 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Point being good chase let's bolt it charlies blowing out his arse and you think it's going to bolt again without any real pressure stick in the wonder dog but hold back the good an sounds like a great Idea to me not.I apolagise for missing your point jmo cheers Quote Link to post
JR Yipp 111 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Thought you would have done hours ago hindsight is a wondeful thing. if you really thought about it you wouldnt reply to anything on here, but sometimes the chase, and bolt are worth it. Quote Link to post
mouse 282 Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 walking anway from quarry has not been mentioned!!!! your wasting your time mate,walking away from quarry my arse. theres terriermen and theres terriermen. Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 fair enough. i get your perspective and agree with it, perhaps if it was a hobby id be the same. i will still stand by the fact that they can be bred and developed, some dogs just seem to get that the fox is meant to be on top and do their best to get it there. i have a place for them. THERE IS A PLACE FOR AL TYPES AND AL WORKSTYES SHOULD BE BRED FOR Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 fair enough. i get your perspective and agree with it, perhaps if it was a hobby id be the same. i will still stand by the fact that they can be bred and developed, some dogs just seem to get that the fox is meant to be on top and do their best to get it there. i have a place for them. THERE IS A PLACE FOR AL TYPES AND AL WORKSTYES SHOULD BE BRED FOR Sorry mate but i couldnt agree less .Ive seen good lines ruined by professional terriermen that require bolting ,20 minute wonder dogs and from men that should know better .Bolting dogs CAN be created but to the detriment of the worker as a whole .I fully understand the work of a terrierman past and present but hate to see a good digging line used for these purposes .If its a bolter you want then get a russel ,lol . The dog that has this disposition is, im afraid to say ,scared of the fox and gives him enough room to manouvre for a bolt .Get yourself a ferret mate . Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,322 Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 fair enough. i get your perspective and agree with it, perhaps if it was a hobby id be the same. i will still stand by the fact that they can be bred and developed, some dogs just seem to get that the fox is meant to be on top and do their best to get it there. i have a place for them. THERE IS A PLACE FOR AL TYPES AND AL WORKSTYES SHOULD BE BRED FOR Sorry mate but i couldnt agree less .Ive seen good lines ruined by professional terriermen that require bolting ,20 minute wonder dogs and from men that should know better .Bolting dogs CAN be created but to the detriment of the worker as a whole .I fully understand the work of a terrierman past and present but hate to see a good digging line used for these purposes .If its a bolter you want then get a russel ,lol . The dog that has this disposition is, im afraid to say ,scared of the fox and gives him enough room to manouvre for a bolt .Get yourself a ferret mate . your probably right. but as you say. by men that should know better. there is no need for the two to mix. if you want to consistantly breed bolters then its got to be bolting dog to bolting dog. i dont do hunts. but can see the benefits of dogs that can get a fox above ground sharpish. in pest control . in fact i cant see why anyone would waste a good line of bolters by adding the harder more bullish staying types to a good line of bolting terriers. i might get a bit of stick for this but i see the more tempered russells and the likes as THE most usefull terriers. and the coloured harder natured terriers to my mind are limited as a tool for fox control. due mainly to their full on stay till dug workstyle 1 Quote Link to post
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