Private Gun/Gear Sales - !!POTENTIAL SCAM!!

[Oly 12]

I have been advised to write up my experiences with a Hunting Life forum member known as Hunter1989 (Steve Graham – previously banned from airgunforum http://www.airgunfor...nch-regd-3.html), his brother David Graham and an individual called Jamie “Jakes” (possibly Jamie Manton) – to forewarn others if they are thinking about doing any kind of purchasing/selling from these individuals. However, if anyone knows these people – I kindly request that you put pressure on them to return my money asap. My young family and I are not particularly well off, and I work hard for the money we can afford to spare for my shooting.

 

Between these individuals they have £300 of my money and I have nothing to show for it apart from a long list of texts and phone calls. As such I have no further option but to imminently start formal legal proceedings.

 

I am greatly saddened by this bad deal, as not only have I potentially lost £300, but it fundamentally shakes the trust upon which many of our shooting swaps, purchases, and sales solely rely.

 

This situation has arisen as such;

 

I responded to an advert on Gunwatch for a PCP air rifle. Between texts and calls to Steve Graham we quickly agreed on a price and payment details were sent. I BACS the money over to the bank account given requesting that the postal tracking number is sent asap. When I didn’t receive the postal tracking number the following day I start ringing/texting. I find out that the rifle was supposedly being advertised on behalf of a friend (Jamie Jakes – possibly actually named Jamie Manton, according to the website owner) and that my money was sent to Steve’s brother’s bank account (David Graham). David Graham informs me that he has never heard nor met Jamie Jakes (although the website owner knows that both he, and Steve, are/were friends on facebook with Jamie Manton). David Graham tells me that as soon as the money arrived in his account Steven Graham came round and took the £300 in cash. Steve Graham asserts that this cash went straight to Jamie “Jakes” whom he has never seen since, nor can get hold of on the phone, nor resides at the two addresses that he has for him. It is also worthwhile noting though the exact same make and model of PCP air rifle is also shown in Steve Graham’s gallery of rifles he owns (BSA R10) -

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/gallery/image/22387-r-10/

 

As can be seen from the above – this very rapidly became very confusing, very quickly! Having spoken to the Police and Consumer Direct (who advised that I warn others online of these activities in a frank and honest account – as per this posting) they both inform me that my legal grievance is with the recipient of the money – irrespective if he was taking money on behalf of his brother who was selling an air rifle on behalf of someone else. I am therefore looking at initiating legal proceedings against David Graham within the next week or two.

 

From information provided to me from a number of shooting forums owners Steven Graham appears to have had expensive bad deals on at least two other accounts – one almost cost a guy anther £300, but thankfully he coerced Paypal to claw back £270 of this money – again, another rifle that also did not get delivered.

 

If anyone else knows these people, knows of their dealings, has had bad experiences with them etc, please let me know.

 

PLEASE beware of this information when dealing with these people, and if anyone does knows these people please tell them to return my money asap.

Edited April 29, 2011 by IanB

[scothunter 12,609]

thats bad obviously not a spur of the moment thing either.they seem to have set out to be dishonest.beggars belief that people who are supposedly involved in hunting,would blatantly con another hunter from his cash.i hope you get it sorted mate.

[secretagentmole 1,701]

It is not the first time either!

[mick1212 389]

the little rats done this to a few people what goes round comes round

[Oly 12]

It is not the first time either!

 

 

the little rats done this to a few people what goes round comes round

 

If anyone has any experiences please let me know!!

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Something about a range finder was the last kick off! I note now he says no paypal!

[mick1212 389]

It is not the first time either!

 

 

the little rats done this to a few people what goes round comes round

 

If anyone has any experiences please let me know!!

theres been a few threads just like yours on here about him but on 1 i think he refunded the money or item and apologised which was decent of him but hes done it again hes a little roach do a search or go through his previous posts or topics and youll find them hope you get your money back the c**t needs a backhander

[Oly 12]

Many thanks for the support - it is a nightmare and makes all other honest sellers/buyers nervous to hear about such experiences. Obviously if someone is genuinely sorry for anything they have done, rectifies the situation fully - then in the fullness of time they should be allowed a second chance...but right now I just need this sorting out asap!

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Another example

Same thread different page

Edited April 28, 2011 by secretagentmole

[Guest bullterrier]

oly its a terrible thing they have done hope you get it sorted out soon ATB.. .john

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Another example

Same thread different page

 

Edited to say that he starts the advert as being his guns he does not use anymore on Olys Airgun forum thread, then at the end they wind up as not being his! Strange that, either he owns the guns or he does not!

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

I think the gobshites who posted on here in defence of Hunter1989 should repay your money between them ................

 

Where are you now boys?

 

You stood up for H1989 when I was trying to expose him for being a liar and a thief.

 

 

I knew it would all come out in the end, and while I'm sorry to see a lad get ripped, I do love being proved right.

 

Forget the threats this time DavyT, you don't impress me.

[Buster321c 1,010]

Sorry to hear about this , i also have warned peopel about this twat . What a wanker .........

 

I wish he was round the corner from me , ide punch his fekin swede in for ya

Edited April 29, 2011 by Buster321c

[J Darcy 5,871]

Another snake exposed.... ..There was something dodgy about him frm the start. Time and time again i say to people: Only pay by paypal. IF the seller is genuine then there won't be a problem.

And i should imagine that was a complete load of bollocks about his 'daughter' being ripped off by someone too, when genuine people donated their hard earned cash.... Sounds like he has been doing this a while.

 

Strongstuff, you were , once again, correct.

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

Another snake exposed.... ..There was something dodgy about him frm the start. Time and time again i say to people: Only pay by paypal. IF the seller is genuine then there won't be a problem.

And i should imagine that was a complete load of bollocks about his 'daughter' being ripped off by someone too, when genuine people donated their hard earned cash.... Sounds like he has been doing this a while.

 

Strongstuff, you were , once again, correct.

 

You weren't far behind me in your "correctness" either!

 

It was just dodgy, that whole "my little girl hasn't got a gun" thing, then when a lad rang the gun shop to order and pay for a gun for H1989's daughter the gunshop said no way was the gun suitable for a young girl and it sounded dodgy so refused the lads money.

 

But then members (being the right word!) spoke up for him and said he was good and honest etc.

 

Where are they now .............. :search: