Ideation 8,216 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) Aye, maybe we should spend less time arguing and talking about lynching folk and work on turning our 'legal system' back into a 'justice system'. Some one i know is a solicitor, he spends everyday getting folk he knows for a fact have committed the crime, off the charges. How the f**k can you do that shit and still happily send your kids off out into the world.. What,did you think solicitors only tell the truth then That's what i'm saying mate, he was like, oh i got some kid off a rape charge today, o right, that's um good, says i. Aye he says, glad we won, but he did rape her. JUst a f*****g game mate, people trying to rise to the top of their tree and climb the pay scale. f**k the rest. Edited April 29, 2011 by Ideation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Thing is were do we draw the line like some lads have nearly lost their lives for poaching a few rabbits. I think its obvious were to draw the line,if you reasonably believe your life or someone elses lifes in danger you should be able to use whatever means you have to eliminate the threat. poaching rabbits with a dog is not a threat to anyones life,maybe different if they had a gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Dont have to die just cos they been shot, I know in reality we're not going to start shooting petty criminals but I'd bet there would be a massive reduction in crime if it was an option. the flip side to that is they break into your house carrying a shooter.and there we have chaos we could always make it very easy for law abiding people to get guns but very hard with long sentences for any violent criminals/sex offenders to get one. criminals will get hold of guns regardless,the least we can do is allow law abiding people some form of defense. just to prove my point http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Thing is were do we draw the line like some lads have nearly lost their lives for poaching a few rabbits. I think its obvious were to draw the line,if you reasonably believe your life or someone elses lifes in danger you should be able to use whatever means you have to eliminate the threat. poaching rabbits with a dog is not a threat to anyones life,maybe different if they had a gun. Agree there should be a line.But when it comes to family and the police cant or wont do antything.Retrebution should be swift and hard.So iam told. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Dont have to die just cos they been shot, I know in reality we're not going to start shooting petty criminals but I'd bet there would be a massive reduction in crime if it was an option. the flip side to that is they break into your house carrying a shooter.and there we have chaos we could always make it very easy for law abiding people to get guns but very hard with long sentences for any violent criminals/sex offenders to get one. criminals will get hold of guns regardless,the least we can do is allow law abiding people some form of defense. just to prove my point http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/ Right so if no one has committed a crime before, they will never commit one. That works. Look at the states, kid never commits a crime, then walks into school and kills a load of people. And someone will say, if the teacher had a gun in his desk, then this would not have happened because the teacher could shoot the gun man. Aye, but what happens when the teacher loses it, reaches for the gun in his desk and HE becomes the gun man. It's just a crap idea mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Read that story, how many folk you reckon stood about and watch that guy threaten to kill the other then chase him out the mc donalds? And the woman who says she watched it happen, wonder if she immediately called the police while they were beating him up (before he was shot) or just pulled her curtains across 'just in case they saw her'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Dont have to die just cos they been shot, I know in reality we're not going to start shooting petty criminals but I'd bet there would be a massive reduction in crime if it was an option. the flip side to that is they break into your house carrying a shooter.and there we have chaos we could always make it very easy for law abiding people to get guns but very hard with long sentences for any violent criminals/sex offenders to get one. criminals will get hold of guns regardless,the least we can do is allow law abiding people some form of defense. just to prove my point http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/ Right so if no one has committed a crime before, they will never commit one. That works. Look at the states, kid never commits a crime, then walks into school and kills a load of people. And someone will say, if the teacher had a gun in his desk, then this would not have happened because the teacher could shoot the gun man. Aye, but what happens when the teacher loses it, reaches for the gun in his desk and HE becomes the gun man. It's just a crap idea mate. what if i lose my head get in my car and decide drive into a crowd of people?-should we ban driving? what if i buy a kitchen knife and go to an old peoples home and kill them all?-what about kitchen knives what if my neighbors annoying me so with my bare hands kill him and his family?-should we handicap the more physically able among us just in case they go mad one day? i could go on,at least in an armed society everyone is equal,in our society the criminal is at a huge advantage. he can get a gun and rob you or kill you without any fear of losing his life,as a law abiding citizen i CANNOT get hold of a gun to defend myself with,thats what this boils down to. and thats if you think the government is trustworthy enough to be given complete unchallenged power over our lives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) Read that story, how many folk you reckon stood about and watch that guy threaten to kill the other then chase him out the mc donalds? And the woman who says she watched it happen, wonder if she immediately called the police while they were beating him up (before he was shot) or just pulled her curtains across 'just in case they saw her'. maybe they were scared to get involved,especially considering i doubt anyone there will of had gun or was bullet proof,but im sure they knew there was a good chance he had one. Edited April 29, 2011 by blan89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Dont have to die just cos they been shot, I know in reality we're not going to start shooting petty criminals but I'd bet there would be a massive reduction in crime if it was an option. the flip side to that is they break into your house carrying a shooter.and there we have chaos we could always make it very easy for law abiding people to get guns but very hard with long sentences for any violent criminals/sex offenders to get one. criminals will get hold of guns regardless,the least we can do is allow law abiding people some form of defense. just to prove my point http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/ Right so if no one has committed a crime before, they will never commit one. That works. Look at the states, kid never commits a crime, then walks into school and kills a load of people. And someone will say, if the teacher had a gun in his desk, then this would not have happened because the teacher could shoot the gun man. Aye, but what happens when the teacher loses it, reaches for the gun in his desk and HE becomes the gun man. It's just a crap idea mate. what if i lose my head get in my car and decide drive into a crowd of people?-should we ban driving? what if i buy a kitchen knife and go to an old peoples home and kill them all?-what about kitchen knives what if my neighbors annoying me so with my bare hands kill him and his family?-should we handicap the more physically able among us just in case they go mad one day? i could go on,at least in an armed society everyone is equal,in our society the criminal is at a huge advantage. he can get a gun and rob you or kill you without any fear of losing his life,as a law abiding citizen i CANNOT get hold of a gun to defend myself with,thats what this boils down to. and thats if you think the government is trustworthy enough to be given complete unchallenged power over our lives. Right, so because folk could kill people through various means, but mostly don't , then giving them guns is safe as houses. Look at ANY armed society and they have a far higher rate of violent crime and homicide than countries that do not have an armed populace, even with all the kitchen knives, cars and hard men. "In an armed society everyone is equal' I don't think the government is that trust worthy at all. But given a lot of the threads on this section, i'm fairly chuffed that a lot of the folk on here don't own a gun, and in fact i find it f*****g scary that some of them do. Lets face it, the vast majority of crime in this country is non-violent. Whereas a lot of that in America is extremely violent. I have a feeling if you arm most of our country, the shootings are going to fly through the roof. I don't mind the folk that shoot the man who is about to rape their kids. But what about the one who thinks being gay is a 'crime'? Or the one that definatly thinks that muslim bloke is dodgy, nothing in particular, just doesn't like him. Or the guy who comes home and finds his wife f*****g his best mate, gun strapped to his hip? etc etc etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Dont have to die just cos they been shot, I know in reality we're not going to start shooting petty criminals but I'd bet there would be a massive reduction in crime if it was an option. the flip side to that is they break into your house carrying a shooter.and there we have chaos we could always make it very easy for law abiding people to get guns but very hard with long sentences for any violent criminals/sex offenders to get one. criminals will get hold of guns regardless,the least we can do is allow law abiding people some form of defense. just to prove my point http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/ you mean law abiding citizens like thomas hamilton.that head case bird.no good can ever come of passing a law that home owners can keep guns in the bedside drawer.kid falls out with mates pissed on the wine,comes home helps himself to his parents guns and there it starts.not saying i wouldnt be pissed of someone tanning my house,but to kill someone for it.f**k sake no need for that.a few good hard digs and a boot in the ribs or if get the cops to drag the scum away.well thats my take on it.we all entitled to our opinions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Just looked it up, in our unarmed society we had something like, just over (very fractionally) 1 murder per 100,000 people in 2009, whereas in Americas armed society that is so much safer, they had something like 5 per 100,000, which was actually their lowest rate i could find since 1960 (when the records i found started), and the highest figure in that period being 10.2 people murdered for every 100,000 people (1980), doesn't seem like all those guns make the place that safe. Oh and their rates of burglary were still way higher than ours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Dont have to die just cos they been shot, I know in reality we're not going to start shooting petty criminals but I'd bet there would be a massive reduction in crime if it was an option. the flip side to that is they break into your house carrying a shooter.and there we have chaos we could always make it very easy for law abiding people to get guns but very hard with long sentences for any violent criminals/sex offenders to get one. criminals will get hold of guns regardless,the least we can do is allow law abiding people some form of defense. just to prove my point http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/ you mean law abiding citizens like thomas hamilton.that head case bird.no good can ever come of passing a law that home owners can keep guns in the bedside drawer.kid falls out with mates pissed on the wine,comes home helps himself to his parents guns and there it starts.not saying i wouldnt be pissed of someone tanning my house,but to kill someone for it.f**k sake no need for that.a few good hard digs and a boot in the ribs or if get the cops to drag the scum away.well thats my take on it.we all entitled to our opinions how about as is the case in the uk now they get kept in a safe when not on the person? i do understand your opinion,but the world would be a better place without some people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) Just looked it up, in our unarmed society we had something like, just over (very fractionally) 1 murder per 100,000 people in 2009, whereas in Americas armed society that is so much safer, they had something like 5 per 100,000, which was actually their lowest rate i could find since 1960 (when the records i found started), and the highest figure in that period being 10.2 people murdered for every 100,000 people (1980), doesn't seem like all those guns make the place that safe. Oh and their rates of burglary were still way higher than ours. within America the states that allow concealed weapons have less violent crime,maybe its just in their culture? look at Switzerland if you want to see how proper firearm licensing can work. could the Swiss government round up any demograph of people they didnt like and put them in camps? could the British? imo governments are all souless,greedy and profit motivated corporations,if they can profit off enslaving us and are capable of doing so they will. that to me is the main reason to keep the government small and the population armed. Edited April 29, 2011 by blan89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) double post. Edited April 29, 2011 by blan89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) my honest opinion.arming the british nation would be a step backwards.i like the uk inspite of its faults i feel relatively safe.ok chance i could be mugged and stabbed to death.however more chance of me winning the lottery than been gunned down in the street.i know there are guns out there,but thankfully its on rare occasions where innocent people are shot.mostly its dead dealers and gangsters and thats the life they chose.Despite the mandatory sentence of 5years custodial.my heart goes out to every person who has lost someone with a gun crime,and in no way am i sullying there name,i just think our gun laws work and are the best in the world when it comes to protecting our citizens.To relax those laws well in the words of a great man. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood. Edited April 29, 2011 by scothunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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