firearms!!

[jackiboi 7]

hi, ive got the firearms officer coming on thursday about time too!!! i have put in for a 17 hmr or 22 rim... i think am going to go with the 17hmr tbh, any gun inparticular lads???? also is there anything i should be asking when hes here like magazines and silencers etc... or can i just get them after, any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks jack

 

 

[halamrose 24]

you need to ask for a moderator (HMR cant be silenced, but can be made less loud) and expanding ammunition. Don't tell him where you keep the keys, they are in a safe place.

Good luck

H

[jackiboi 7]

cheers mate!

[HUnter_zero 58]

hi, ive got the firearms officer coming on thursday / i think am going to go with the 17hmr / also is there anything i should be asking / like magazines and silencers or can i just get them after, any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks jack

 

 

Hi Jack, this is a little bit like putting the cart before the horse but I'll give it ago.

The firearms officer is there to verify your application, your integrity, to some degree your knowledge and to a greater degree your need to own a firearm.

 

At this stage of your application there shouldn't be any " I think... ", you either need a .22rf [because] or a .17 HMR [because] or both [because], simple as that.

Magazines do not need certification in the UK; Sound moderators do, if used on a firearm and are governed by the same certification as the firearm for which the moderator will be used on. You also need to show good reason for owning a moderator usually health and safety due to hearing damage caused by gun shots.

 

I think you might need to do a bit of read before the FEO calls but I might have the wrong end of the stick and be reading something in to your post that isn't there, only you know the true level of your firearms knowledge.

 

In general, the FEO isn't really out to get you, more to understand why you are asking for what you have asked for. This is where I am a little concerned with your post. You don't seem to know what you want and if that is the case, how can you justify the need?

On your application, you must have put both .22rf rifle, .17HMR bolt action rifle, .22 Sound moderator and .17HMR Sound moderator and you must have put a reason for requiring these, what was your reason?

 

Failing everything else, make the chap a cuppa, sit back and relax!

 

John

[jackiboi 7]

hi mate, thanks for the reply!

the moderator actually slipped my mind at the time of sending my application. also on my app i put both as you have said excluding the moderator!

my post really should of been something like ::: hi lads i have got the feo coming round pretty soon and i stil havent made up my mind on which rifle to go for, the land i have permission on has rabbit and fox problems which they have asked me to sort on my app i have put down 17hmr and 22 rim for a pick of either on the day! so i was wondering which would be the best to start off with and for the control of both rabbit and fox?? your help would be appreciated! thanks

i have been using air rifles for 7 years. so i have quite abit of knowledge about the do's and dont's, its surley all the same with bullet rifles as they are both deadly weapons.. or do i really need to no alot more???

[HUnter_zero 58]

the moderator actually slipped my mind at the time of sending my application. rabbit and fox problems which they have asked me to sort on my app i have put down 17hmr and 22 rim for a pick of either on the day! so i was wondering which would be the best to start off with and for the control of both rabbit and fox??

i have been using air rifles for 7 years. so i have quite abit of knowledge about the do's and dont's, its surley all the same with bullet rifles as they are both deadly weapons.. or do i really need to no alot more???

 

Hi Jack, okay you will need to discuss with the FEO with regards to adding moderators to your application. There should be no issue at all. .22rf or .17 HMR neither for foxes that's for sure and the FEO should also agree that neither are suitable for fox.

.22rf & .17 HMR are both excellent rabbit and small vermin rounds, but not fox.

Again, this is a discussion to have with the FEO, personally if you can show knowledge and experience and the matter in hand is sufficiently sever with regards to foxes there would be a good chance of being granted a .222. I don't wish to get in to the semantics of rifles, but I have never seen a rifle that I could describe as a stand alone deadly weapon, I've seen a lot of dangerous people holding rifles but my honest advice is not to suggest to the FEO that you require a couple of deadly weapons.

 

John

[jackiboi 7]

hi john, thanks again for your reply, ill let ya no what happens thursday

 

 

[HUnter_zero 58]

hi john, thanks again for your reply, ill let ya no what happens thursday

 

Jack, take your time. Explain EXACTLY what you NEED (not want) and exactly why you needed it.

 

You will find he/she will be very unlikely to grant you with a .222 or .223 for fox, but ask their opinion and what would be best to do. My advice is NOT to choose either a .22rf or .17HMR as both calibres have benefits and negatives over each other. Request both, with a view to being grants a .22 centre fire when you have gained some experience using firearms, ask what would be a suitable time to have gained this experience.

 

Good luck! You will be okay.

 

John

Edited April 26, 2011 by HUnter_zero

[jackiboi 7]

hi john, thanks again for your reply, ill let ya no what happens thursday

 

Jack, take your time. Explain EXACTLY what you NEED (not want) and exactly why you needed it.

 

You will find he/she will be very unlikely to grant you with a .222 or .223 for fox, but ask their opinion and what would be best to do. My advice is NOT to choose either a .22rf or .17HMR as both calibres have benefits and negatives over each other. Request both, with a view to being grants a .22 centre fire when you have gained some experience using firearms, ask what would be a suitable time to have gained this experience.

 

Good luck! You will be okay.

 

John

thanks agiain for putting me in my place .needed it really!!.. gave me a few more things to think about over the next few days, cheers

[THE GRIFF 8]

I would tell him you want a 17 hmr for long distance vermin 150 yards and a . 22 lr for bunny bashing to yards and to use when it's too windy for the hmr. You need a moderator for both and expanding amo as well. If you are going to do alot of foxing then I would think about applying for the .22lr for rabbits and a small centrefire calibre like a .22 hornet or a .222 and not bother with the 17hmr.

Just for the record, I got my fac last year and got granted fac air, a 22 lr and a .22hornet on my first application. As long as you can explain a need for each calibre then you shouldn't have any problems

 

Good luck

[trooperman 73]

hi mate agree with the GRIFF ask for both and tell him/her you would like the .22lr and the .17 HMR for close and distance small vermin control...once you are familiar with your rifles you can use the .17 HMR for fox but not if the fox is hundreds of yards away you can cleanly kill fox with the HMR upto 50 yrds easy with the head shot...BUT DO NOT TRY AND SHOT THEM IF YOU ARE NOT CONFIDENT.

 

 

paul

[HUnter_zero 58]

thanks agiain for putting me in my place .needed it really!!.. gave me a few more things to think about over the next few days, cheers

 

Jack, I'm not trying to put you in any place, and apologise if I have come across as if I have.

All I'm trying to do is offer you some solid advice and that is to request both .22rf & .17HMR BUT explain that you will also need to take fox and the .22rf/.17HMR isn't suitable for fox, so you will need to (in the not to distant future) apply for a .22 centre fire to enable humane fox control. Ask the FEO what a suitable length of time would be with regards to gaining experience with the .22rf / .17HMR before you applied for a .22 center fire.

 

Bottom lines are simple, if you have a good reason (rabbits and fox control is a good reason), if you have a clean record and have suitable land there is no reason not to be granted an FAC. As said before, just relax but make sure you know what your asking for and you know what each calibre is capable of.

 

John

Edited April 27, 2011 by HUnter_zero

[jackiboi 7]

thanks agiain for putting me in my place .needed it really!!.. gave me a few more things to think about over the next few days, cheers

 

Jack, I'm not trying to put you in any place, and apologise if I have come across as if I have.

All I'm trying to do is offer you some solid advice and that is to request both .22rf & .17HMR BUT explain that you will also need to take fox and the .22rf/.17HMR isn't suitable for fox, so you will need to (in the not to distant future) apply for a .22 centre fire to enable humane fox control. Ask the FEO what a suitable length of time would be with regards to gaining experience with the .22rf / .17HMR before you applied for a .22 center fire.

 

Bottom lines are simple, if you have a good reason (rabbits and fox control is a good reason), if you have a clean record and have suitable land there is no reason not to be granted an FAC. As said before, just relax but make sure you know what your asking for and you know what each calibre is capable of.

 

John

 

hi mate, you havent come across like anything, you have just advised me in the right direction !! he has checked the land to day and i have been told it has gone all good ... roll on tomo, cheers for all your info you have told me

[HUnter_zero 58]

he has checked the land to day and i have been told it has gone all good ... roll on tomo, cheers for all your info you have told me

 

Excellent, drop in to the conversation the land clearance and ask him if he had noted any areas of concern or anything untoward and what the maximum calibre he has passed the land for. It the later part that is of interest to you, because you will then know what calibres can be registered on the land in the future. He may have passed the land right up to .308 if there is deer on the land, or .240 if there isn't.

Passing the land to .240 means you can have any rifle calibre in the .22 center fire range (.22 hornet , .222, .223, .22-250 etc).

Most experienced rifle users would agree this land passing is arcane and unnecessary (obviously don't tell the FEO that). In reality, you can shoot just as unsafe with a .22rf as you can with a .308 centre fire. An unsafe shot is just that, unsafe. However, the land land clearance ritual is also to judge the level of necessity.

Couple of tips here, if you don't know the answer to any questions asked, say you don't know and do not try to bull your way through. If your unsure of something ask the FEO's advice. It's also a good idea to ask if you could call him (in working hours) should anything crop up or anything your not sure of crop up (truth is your unlikely to ever call him/her). A .22rf can kill at over a mile!! Safe back stops are a must, carry one of your cabinet keys on your main key ring and hide the other, keeping both spare keys well hidden.

 

You will do grand! but let us know how it goes.

 

Good luck

 

John

[jackiboi 7]

Hi mate, he's been today went really good, his actual words was when your licence comes enjoy and be safe !!! He's put me down for both 22-17 mods and hold 400 bullets, which I only put down 200..lands passed for 243 but he says get some experience on your own 1st.. Then give me a ring, he was a pretty decent man, cheers for all your help I'll let ya no in the next few weeks,and ask ya for some advice on a few different guns!! If all goes well