Mickey Finn 3,014 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I have a hard time understanding why the Libyan military is still protecting this psychopath. They must know by now. How all this , is going to play out. Anyway, all the best to the soldiers in harms way. http://www.thesun.co...to-Gaddafi.html BRITISH military officers are set to hit the ground in Libya to bolster rebels fighting tyrant Colonel Gaddafi. The advisors will go into the country's second city of Benghazi — the stronghold of the pro-democracy opposition. Foreign Secretary William Hague said today: "The National Security Council has decided that we will now move quickly to expand the team already in Benghazi to include an additional military liaison advisory team. "This contingent will be drawn from experienced British military officers." Mr Hague said the move was needed to help protect civilians in Libya and was compatible with the United Nations resolution which authorised a no-fly zone. He said in a statement: "The United Kingdom is strongly committed to the effective implementation of the provisions of United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSCR) 1973. "With the Libyan people still faced with continuing attacks by Gaddafi's forces, the need to protect civilians in Libya is our highest priority. "UNSCR 1973 authorises member states to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack from Gaddafi. "The UK's substantial and early military contribution to the enforcement of UNSCR 1973 has helped saved the lives of thousands of civilians threatened by Gaddafi's murderous regime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Pro Gaddafi Soldiers who surrender have been Executed by Rebels in Cold Blood ! Blindfolded, hog-tied, beat, Executed, Hung, beheaded, put on fire, had their bodies mutiliated, and in one documented case a Soldier had his heart cut out of his chest when he proclaimed that his "heart is for Gaddafi" and the rebel took a bite out of the heart. In Misrata the Rebels burned some soldiers and then waved and danced around with the charred remains of their corpses. This is incredible but true facts of the kind of people that comprise the bulk of the benghazi terror gangs, aka "Opposition" forces. Yes, This is Hillary Clinton, Cameron, Sarkozy and Obama's proxy neocolonial army at work.. Not very "humanitarian" - the favorite word of the day that the imperialists are employing to bomb and invade Libya. So where is Anderson Cooper and PBS and Rachel Maddow and all the other phony liberal "born - again war-mongers" ? People are being tortured and killed in all sorts of horrible ways but since it is the opposition rebels who are the perpetrators and the Libya Army and Libya Police officers who are the victims, these stories are completely blacklisted from being broadcast in the Imperialist media. These are the savages we are now allied to, if you wish to see the video evidence of the atrocities go here http://uruknet.de/?p=m76906 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littletimmy 71 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 The rebel leader has also admitted some of his forces have links to al-queda and fought in iraq against the west. Were not there to protect, we are there for a change of power to a western thinking governement, who will be a lot more compliant with oil and anything else we wish to rape them of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,014 Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Wow, some interesting comments. For the record, I was just wishing your troops well. The stories of abuses would be better presented with a few verifiable links. Though we all know what types of things un disciplined troops are capable of. Look at the US's own guards at ABU GHRAIB. I agree, that the government change we hope for is a west friendly democracy. But I would point out that these uprisings are happening in several places. Throughout the region. In the wake of Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan. So, in the future. We may see a great deal of improvement. All that shit about Neo-colonialism is just that. Shit! The only way we all can progress. Is by finding common ground and occupying it together. I know that sounds like shit too. But I think it's true. ATB 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Wow, some interesting comments. For the record, I was just wishing your troops well. The stories of abuses would be better presented with a few verifiable links. Though we all know what types of things un disciplined troops are capable of. Look at the US's own guards at ABU GHRAIB. I agree, that the government change we hope for is a west friendly democracy. But I would point out that these uprisings are happening in several places. Throughout the region. In the wake of Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan. So, in the future. We may see a great deal of improvement. All that shit about Neo-colonialism is just that. Shit! The only way we all can progress. Is by finding common ground and occupying it together. I know that sounds like shit too. But I think it's true. ATB Well said. These people banging on about going in for oil and all that shit.. If you don't agree with it stop filling your cars with middle eastern petrol. Stop using electricity made with middle eastern gas in your homes. Stop buying products made prom plastics which are formed from refining middle eastern oil.. The list is endless.. Like it or not, our whole way of life is dependant on maintaining a steady supply of oil from these oil rich countries. This is dependant on stability in the regions. Don't forget, we don't steal the oil, we buy it and in the process inject god knows how much capital into their countries. It's ugly, but it's true, you can't have it both ways. We have built our society on oil. We make the Arab states rich through the purchase of oil. With all the money we spunk their way it's only right that we should protect our interests. Without action like this in times of crisis, OPEC countries would have us by the balls. If they thought we could pushed around & bullied because of our dependence on their product, they would do just that. They are not supplying us out of the goodness of their hearts, and action like this makes them think twice about messing us about... Things like this have been going on for as long as trade between different groups of humans has been. It's all about showing that while you're willing to trade & spend your hard earned, you are not prepared to be bullied. All my opinion... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Oh, we need the oil so that makes it ok Malt, i know what you are saying but to say this is just about oil is to over simplify things imho, The “mad colonel,†has lost favor with his Western buyers. Thus, suddenly, his duck has stopped laying golden eggs. But no one is telling the details of how he lost his multi-million dollar deals with the Western oil companies. Why, after forty-one years, these powers have suddenly turned against him? What is the inside scoop on his illegal money in Swiss and British banks? Who is benefitting from the interest on millions of dollars in these accounts? It seems this invasion has been planned for some time, could it be a stepping stone to a showdown with Iran ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Oh, we need the oil so that makes it ok Malt, i know what you are saying but to say this is just about oil is to over simplify things imho, The "mad colonel," has lost favor with his Western buyers. Thus, suddenly, his duck has stopped laying golden eggs. But no one is telling the details of how he lost his multi-million dollar deals with the Western oil companies. Why, after forty-one years, these powers have suddenly turned against him? What is the inside scoop on his illegal money in Swiss and British banks? Who is benefitting from the interest on millions of dollars in these accounts? It seems this invasion has been planned for some time, could it be a stepping stone to a showdown with Iran ? I never said it was OK, but as long as we live the way we do, we're all party to it.... I wouldn't read too much into it, and to say this was planned all along is wide of the mark. Western relations with Libya were at an all time high, we were even selling weapons to the regime up until very recently. Why on earth would we sell advanced weaponry to a nation we were planning to attack? It makes no sense.. In reality Western powers need a stable Libya. It is the largest oil producing country in Africa and prolonged civil conflict there would have had consequences for the world markets & economies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Doesnt make sense to me either, but its a tangled web. This guy was a 4 star general and US presidential candidate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ascuxQbROM&feature=related Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,014 Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Doesnt make sense to me either, but its a tangled web. This guy was a 4 star general and US presidential candidate. http://www.youtube.c...feature=related General Wesley Clark? Not worth listening to. ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,780 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Wow, some interesting comments. For the record, I was just wishing your troops well. The stories of abuses would be better presented with a few verifiable links. Though we all know what types of things un disciplined troops are capable of. Look at the US's own guards at ABU GHRAIB. I agree, that the government change we hope for is a west friendly democracy. But I would point out that these uprisings are happening in several places. Throughout the region. In the wake of Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan. So, in the future. We may see a great deal of improvement. All that shit about Neo-colonialism is just that. Shit! The only way we all can progress. Is by finding common ground and occupying it together. I know that sounds like shit too. But I think it's true. ATB Well said. These people banging on about going in for oil and all that shit.. If you don't agree with it stop filling your cars with middle eastern petrol. Stop using electricity made with middle eastern gas in your homes. Stop buying products made prom plastics which are formed from refining middle eastern oil.. The list is endless.. Like it or not, our whole way of life is dependant on maintaining a steady supply of oil from these oil rich countries. This is dependant on stability in the regions. Don't forget, we don't steal the oil, we buy it and in the process inject god knows how much capital into their countries. It's ugly, but it's true, you can't have it both ways. We have built our society on oil. We make the Arab states rich through the purchase of oil. With all the money we spunk their way it's only right that we should protect our interests. Without action like this in times of crisis, OPEC countries would have us by the balls. If they thought we could pushed around & bullied because of our dependence on their product, they would do just that. They are not supplying us out of the goodness of their hearts, and action like this makes them think twice about messing us about... Things like this have been going on for as long as trade between different groups of humans has been. It's all about showing that while you're willing to trade & spend your hard earned, you are not prepared to be bullied. All my opinion... Bang on Malt! Stability in the middle east is esential to our current western society. I honestly dont believe we would be there if it wasnt to keep economic stabilty internationally. Yes, NATO may have stepped in to save civilians like they have before but the fact oil is involved made it a certainty action would be taken! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) just 2 things about this Libya mess: 1 - If the government just came clean and said "look we've been waiting to get Gadaffi for 20 odd years since the Lockerbie bombing and now his time is up", i'm sure we'd understand. 2 - If they then said "we think it is necessary to seize the country in order to have the oil and it's associated wealth and bargaining power", i'm sure we'd all understand. We all know they're the two reasons why we're getting involved in an civil war (that's incidentally been going on for 20 odd years) where both sides are evenly matched (no-one is being picked on or butchered). A bit of honesty goes a long way............ Edited April 20, 2011 by Tomm Parr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmplsnt 0 Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 I hate to say this but if the UK and other European colonial powers had held on to their possessions back in the day (and knowing full well we were once one of them) this wouldn't be a problem. If only we could turn the clock back 150 years.... We may have gotten angry with you in the past and tossed some of your tea (I'm from the South and think the waste of good tea, even if it is some of that strange stuff you put cream into) was an unpardonable sin. Shoot people if you have to but leave the tea alone. What's truly amazing to me is we'll leave both billions of dollars and lots of our good Anglo-American blood there but only after we give them their country back on a silver platter. The US alone will spend close to a trillion dollars on an Iraq that hates us even after what we've done for those sorry muslim b*****ds. Not to mention what the UK has done. It's a huge burden and all in the name of outrageous oil prices (and I happen to work in the oil industry). So let me get this right--we have to spend thousands of our best and brightest's lives and untold wealth just to pay higher prices both at the pump and everything else we buy? Unbelievable! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jultaylor1972 2 Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Wow, some interesting comments. For the record, I was just wishing your troops well. The stories of abuses would be better presented with a few verifiable links. Though we all know what types of things un disciplined troops are capable of. Look at the US's own guards at ABU GHRAIB. I agree, that the government change we hope for is a west friendly democracy. But I would point out that these uprisings are happening in several places. Throughout the region. In the wake of Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan. So, in the future. We may see a great deal of improvement. All that shit about Neo-colonialism is just that. Shit! The only way we all can progress. Is by finding common ground and occupying it together. I know that sounds like shit too. But I think it's true. ATB Well said. These people banging on about going in for oil and all that shit.. If you don't agree with it stop filling your cars with middle eastern petrol. Stop using electricity made with middle eastern gas in your homes. Stop buying products made prom plastics which are formed from refining middle eastern oil.. The list is endless.. Like it or not, our whole way of life is dependant on maintaining a steady supply of oil from these oil rich countries. This is dependant on stability in the regions. Don't forget, we don't steal the oil, we buy it and in the process inject god knows how much capital into their countries. It's ugly, but it's true, you can't have it both ways. We have built our society on oil. We make the Arab states rich through the purchase of oil. With all the money we spunk their way it's only right that we should protect our interests. Without action like this in times of crisis, OPEC countries would have us by the balls. If they thought we could pushed around & bullied because of our dependence on their product, they would do just that. They are not supplying us out of the goodness of their hearts, and action like this makes them think twice about messing us about... Things like this have been going on for as long as trade between different groups of humans has been. It's all about showing that while you're willing to trade & spend your hard earned, you are not prepared to be bullied. All my opinion... Thats the most sensible thing I have read about this subject! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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