scalesntails 118 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 For example I have should have the freedom to tell 20 stone barefist fighter his mum is a slag but I should expect to take what's coming to me. Most things can be sorted with old fashioned common decency and common sense. So are you saying that 20 stone man should be legally entitled to give you what you deserve ? Because if not it would be fair to say you are using the law to suit yourself......i mean,how many of these pricks would be burning poppies if they knew we could legally stamp all over their face every time they did so....and that is exactly whats likely to happen if i burn the koran in the heart of Bangladesh as i simply wont recieve the protection they recieve here. As regards common sense and decency...our government has no common sense and these muslims have no decency ...worse or better ? Yes if I called some ones mum a slag I would expect a slap and if the police got involved I would stop them charging the guy as I had it coming I'm saying we should have less regulation. They should be allowed to burn the poppy and you should be entitled to burn a Koran but by doing so they can't prosecute if someone smacks them for it. Kind of like we got a clip round the ear as kids. Of course if the guy burning poppies got attacked by 200 people it would be going to far. I'm not saying my idea is a good one but I like it. Come on guys are you REALLY surprised? Wonder what the pro muslim brigade make of it or are we all being racist again.. Half the people on here probably think I am Pro Muslim. I am in fact anti-religion but pro-choice and believe in freedom of speech. Neither should be illegal the government shouldn't get involved in peoples protests. I believe it should be sorted on a personal level. For example I have should have the freedom to tell 20 stone barefist fighter his mum is a slag but I should expect to take what's coming to me. Most things can be sorted with old fashioned common decency and common sense. People did just fine before the government got involved in everything. Amen to that BUT there IS a law against inciting violence which is where the law objects to burning the poppy wreath and burning the Koran, the question being asked quite rightly here is why do similar actions result in vastly differing outcomes for the offenders. What is the difference? Easy, one person is a White male the others are Pakistani Muslims. We are so far down the line of trying to accommodate minorities and scared of being racist as a society that we fail to punish the poppy burners with the same amount of wrath as shown to the Koran burner. In my opinion both should have been given the same sentence £50.00 fine or 70 days in jail and what we should be discussing is if the sentences are too lenient or too severe, but that won't happen whilst young so called Muslims are allowed to stand in the street spitting at marching troops yet say anything derogatory against women wearing the burka and your racist. It's just too one sided that's all and people have just had enough of it I don't the police/CPS/Government should have got involved in either case. I do agree that one is as offensive as the other depending on your personal beliefs so if the government is going to get involved then the sentence should be equal. The problem is sentences also vary depending on what judge you get and what mood he is in that day. As you say for this type of case there needs to be only 1 sentencing option then it solves any problems of preferential treatment. I suggest the sentence is 300 hours community service helping war veterans or 300 hours helping a muslim charity (if there is such a thing). I'm not pro immigrant, muslim, white, christian or anything I want everyone treated the same. If Muslims are getting preferential treatment I will protest against it and would protest the opposite way in some circumstances. For example I would protest against muslims being banned from shops for being muslim but I wouldn't protest to help them get equal government benefits unless they were born here. they should be allowed to burn the poppy !!! ??? can i ask which planet you've just landed from ? i find your remarks and replys extremely offensive, to think that some of my ancestors were killed in the battle of the somme, and others severed in the navy and deserts rats so you can sit and type away beggers believe ! if you can't get behind our armed forces then go and get your self a gun and stand in front of them ! Our ancestors died to protect our rights to protest anything we believe in. They are the ones that fought for our freedom. It is that freedom that allows them to burn the poppy. I think its a disgrace that they did it but I am proud that people in this country are free to protest however they like. I am fully behind our troops. I don't agree with the wars but that's not our soldiers fault and they are doing the absolute best they can in a shit situation but they are also fighting for peoples freedoms. For example most Afghans couldn't say a word wrong under the Taliban but they are free to say most things now. We may not like some of the things people in Afghanistan say but we should be proud that our soldiers put their lives on the line so they could. As Voltaire said “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.†He says far better than me what I am trying to say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Our ancestors died to protect our rights to protest anything we believe in. They are the ones that fought for our freedom. It is that freedom that allows them to burn the poppy. I think its a disgrace that they did it but I am proud that people in this country are free to protest however they like. You are clearly an intelligent chap.....use that intelligence for one minute and think about something..... Do you really think those brave men who fought and died for this country would have done so if they knew they was fighting to protect a muslims rights to burn a poppy ?......What % of those brave men do you think would do the same all over again if they knew then what they know now about what they was fighting for and where it would end up......because if its not a very high % then what a waste of good men !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 He didn't get 70 days in prison for burning the koran. He got 70 days in prison for stealing a book from a library and burning it! If he'd owned the book he burned the sentence might have been different? District Judge Gerald Chalk said on sentencing: “This is a case of theatrical bigotry. It was pre-planned by you as you stole the book deliberately. You went out to cause maximum publicity and to cause distress.†There's a small difference in what he and choudray did, choudray didn't steal anything to burn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scalesntails 118 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Our ancestors died to protect our rights to protest anything we believe in. They are the ones that fought for our freedom. It is that freedom that allows them to burn the poppy. I think its a disgrace that they did it but I am proud that people in this country are free to protest however they like. You are clearly an intelligent chap.....use that intelligence for one minute and think about something..... Do you really think those brave men who fought and died for this country would have done so if they knew they was fighting to protect a muslims rights to burn a poppy ?......What % of those brave men do you think would do the same all over again if they knew then what they know now about what they was fighting for and where it would end up......because if its not a very high % then what a waste of good men !! No Gnasher they probably wouldn't be happy about it either, just like me and you think its a disgrace. I would say 100% of those brave men would because although we get the rare scumbag taking advantage of our rights of freedom of speech and freedom to protest most people use it for the good of the general population. Those amazing people fought to protect the world from fascism. If they had lost then the world would have been a very different place. We would not have threads like this because they wouldn't be allowed in a fascist society as if you think differently to anyone else you get locked up or disappear. They were against fascism and not letting people have an opinion or protest is fascist. Unfortunately for everyone to have the right to freedom you have to put up with idiots abusing that freedom. I am not calling anyone on this thread or site fascist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism It's like in America they have the Westboro Baptist Church that protest at funerals etc. Even the KKK have distanced themselves from WBC as they are nutballs but rather than the government getting involved the problem of their protests has largely been solved by people counter protesting them and an amazing people called the Patriot Guard Riders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Guard_Riders I would say the WBC are far more offensive than some twat that burned some poppys and the Americans that aren't normally known for coming up with peaceful solutions have dealt with this group admirably without government intervention or any change to their free speech laws. The problem is everyone thinks differently and people protest different things. We believe hunting should be legal, others do not and both sides have the right to peaceful protest as that is what democracy is about. I think the guy that burned the poppy should get a slap I just don't think protests etc should be regulated by the government. Edited April 19, 2011 by scalesntails Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 They should of been given 3 years hard labour then deported to the country of their ancestors birth for burning a Poppy end of. One rule for muzzys and one for the rest of us. I went to some ww1 battlefield cemeteries when I was on the continent a few yrs back; I saw graves of boys as young as 14 ranging to men as old as 55 as far as the eye could see. I'm not ashamed to admit i shed a tear; i defy any man not to do the same if they went there. Seeing that really puts into perspective what those men did 90 years ago (900k British dead and 300k commonwealth dead) and again 65 odd years ago (300k british dead and 100k commonwealth dead). If i saw someone burning a poppy or defiling a cenotaph i'd rip them to f@#king pieces and happily hand myself in to the nearest police station. Anyway, rant over. :wacko: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masmiffy 82 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Its just a match and a few flames either way! Why should either be a 'crime' and have a penalty on them unless done as a willful act in front of people to antagonise them! Cant really condone either but ffs this country has gone right down the pisser Quote Link to post Share on other sites
judge2010 196 Posted April 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 They should of been given 3 years hard labour then deported to the country of their ancestors birth for burning a Poppy end of. One rule for muzzys and one for the rest of us. run for office i'd vote for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) I went to some ww1 battlefield cemeteries when I was on the continent a few yrs back; I saw graves of boys as young as 14 ranging to men as old as 55 as far as the eye could see. I'm not ashamed to admit i shed a tear; i defy any man not to do the same if they went there. Seeing that really puts into perspective what those men did 90 years ago (900k British dead and 300k commonwealth dead) and again 65 odd years ago (300k british dead and 100k commonwealth dead). If i saw someone burn a poppy or defile a cenotaph i'd rip them to f@#king pieces and happily hand myself in to the nearest police station. The poppy is a symbol of national grief: Disrespecting it is direspectful to this entire country, its inhabitants, the memory of those old boys, everything that is right and moral. Despite what some of my posts read I am not a particularly argumentative chap but there is only so hard you can push before someone pushes back. Britain should start pushing back against the anti-British in our midst. Anyway, rant over. :wacko: Edited April 19, 2011 by Tomm Parr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I find burning poppies and wat the symbol represents a lot more offensive than any holy book wether it be the quran or the holy bible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
judge2010 196 Posted April 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I find burning poppies and wat the symbol represents a lot more offensive than any holy book wether it be the quran or the holy bible. here here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,364 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I find burning poppies and wat the symbol represents a lot more offensive than any holy book wether it be the quran or the holy bible. My sentiments exactly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Gnasher no point wasting your breath on some people Tomm parr v.good post mate I'd gladly go to prison and love every minute of it if I seen anyone defacing any war memorial or burning poppies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 The poppies weren't stolen. He got jail for stealing a book and burning it, if it had been his own book it might have been a different story. Don't make a martyr out of a mong! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tb25 4,627 Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 still tho....jail for a book theres c**ts out there robbin old folk who get less Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 can see why you's are mad, but i reckon the legel system got even worse problems than that. when you think an armed robber could rob a bank with a imitation gun that cant even shoot bullets and he would get 10years in in jail for his troubles and on the other hand you have pedos getin comunity service or at most a suspended sentance for abusing kids. it really does boggle the mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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