Shooting distance

[ricky776 2]

Sorry about the spelling using this stupid iPhone and can't see were I can edit posts

[RicW 67]

Ricky -

 

Assuming you meant .22lr, long rifle, which is a rimfire cartridge, then I stand by the figure of 100yds as a practical maximum for field use. Past that, the drop is so steep, and gets even steeper so quickly, that you simply cannot be sure of a clean kill. Some shooters can go to 110 or even 120yds but they know their guns and the terrain well. At 400 yds a subsonic .22lr bullet is still travelling at ~500fps and carrying 25ft.lbs of kinetic energy, enough to kill a man let alone a rabbit, but that doesn't make it a 400yd tool.(It does explain why backstop is so important. A guy in NI got a 10 stretch for manslaughter after a .22 carried over and killed a 9 year old boy nearly 500 yards away.)

 

I didn't read Deker as calling you a liar, rather as expressing incredulity. I'm sceptical myself TBH. I would regard 50yds as maximum range with 16ft.lbs air, and 40yds as practical. You say you paced it at 70; but pacing on a level paved surface is one thing, on rough ground is another. You really should use a laser rangefinder. In fact, there's a lot to be said for setting up targets at 10 yd laser measured intervals, measuring the drop, and learning the mildots or clicks to each interval.

 

As I started this post there were Hunter Zero, Deker, yourself and me reading. Hi guys! :friends:

 

Ric

[ricky776 2]

Cheers for the reply and great advice

[HUnter_zero 58]

It seems to me that we will need to stay way back about 120yards and shoot them from the van while driving around there a road all the way round will within the estate

 

 

If it works for you, then keep at it. In my experience, if you go prone, down wind(safe back stop permitting), rabbits don't seem to mind and they certainly take no notice of their dead kin folk either. I've "sniped" many rabbits in this fashion....gota go! off for an afternoon clay shoot!

 

John

[Deker 3,478]

My inexperience is with .22 rifles always had fac air rifles

 

One question for you tho dak I asked you with your 4000 plus post I see you have time on your hands

 

Now what do you need to kill a rabbit not talking about pellet or bulit size I'm talking about the force some thing needs to hit to kill it does not mater if it's close or fair away

 

Will ask my next question after you

Answer this

 

 

Chap..why do you ask the original question then if you are so experienced with FAC Air Rifles?

 

Don't play games, your knowledge is sorely lacking and your tape measure is unique.

 

You are new to this site and a clever attitude will get you nowhere, nobody knows it all, including me, there are not many days that go by I don't learn something new.

 

If you want to play silly games go back to the playground, if you want information stop telling the world you are the best shot in the universe and learn from those who have been there and done it!

 

Edited April 17, 2011 by Deker

[dadioles 68]

I would lay odds that half the trouble with this and other similar posts is that one man's 100 yards is another man's 75 yards.

Maybe ricky has short legs and measures out 100 paces which with a laser measure would come out rather less in real yards.

All too often people claim shots at distances that are perceived rather than scientifically accurate, therefore meaningless.

 

We all now how estimating distances at night is almost impossible, hard enough during the day!

 

In my view if you are shooting live quarry you should be pretty much certain of a clean kill and with .22LR typically zeroed at 50 to 60 yards that means something like 100 yards max - and after a lot of practice on paper targets. The drop is such that you need to know the distance quite accurately, a few yards out in your estimated distance will translate into an inch or more off target.

 

It has nothing to do with "hitting" power as it has been shown that approx 5 ftLbs is enough to kill a rabbit with a well placed head shot and a sub 12ftlb air rifle can still have that force at yards or so but you don't stand a chance in hell of doing it as the drop is probably a couple of feet. It is to do with accuracy. Grouping 1" or better, every time, at 100 yards with a .22LR off a bipod in "real" outdoor conditions is not something that you can do without practice.

 

Shooting rabbits in the head at 120 yards (1 inch drop) is hard enough with a .17HMR off a bipod (zeroed at 100 yards). It is a pretty small target.

 

I just don't see the point of FAC air.

 

Les