Doggy men hierarchy

[artic 595]

f*****g hell artic, why not put your rank numbers on and be done with it lol.

 

Don't be silly petal, just having wild thoughts.

 

Darcy, there are many loop holes like I have said earlier, If your friend owns the land, then we have trespass with intent. It's a big old rule book, and it can send you round the twist , BUT there will always be a Charge for an offence. Leave that to the CPS.

 

 

 

artic, the question i asked was whether the earlier statement about owning the pheasant because it is on your land is incorrect or not?

Law has always held a particular interest to me, I could debate about it til the cows come home. I guess that you are agreeing that no wild animal or bird can be owned?

 

Darcy, you keep mentioning "Owning", so Iets not forget that "To Own" something means property. Now property can be real or personal.

 

Wild creatues/animals however you wish to call them are property, wheather they have been tamed, or kept in captivity. Once they have been lost, or abandoned and lets say come onto your land, then how do you prove who's property it is? 9 times out of 10 you won't do, unless someone claims that it is there's and can prove it. I.e a dog.

 

A quick senario, you shoot, in season 2 pheasants on your land, the keeper next door calls the police and states the 2 birds you shot are his. If the police have time for such a silly matter, they would turn up and ask the keeper if he could prove they are his. He does so, by means of tags under each wing. Are you going to get arrested for this? Of course not, it would be silly to, because, the birds are "Wild" and once released and move onto others land they do not become the PROPERTY of the keeper, they become yours. (Poaching is a different matter all together).

 

I've just touched on this, like I said it's very difficult to put to text.

 

Law has been an interest to me too Darcy, for a long time!

 

 

Hi Artic, it was you that first mentioned owning a bird on your property. And i quote:

 

"On your property they become yours"

 

What i am saying is that this is wrong.

 

In the scenario of the keeper contacting the police about two birds being shot, once free from captivity/ they are deemed wild and are no ones. No one can own a wild animal. Whether they have tags in their wings or not. As soon as the animal/bird is at liberty it is deemed to be wild. (Though whether being artificially fed from feeders means they are still 'captive' is a grey area surely?)

Wild animals and birds that venture onto your property are not yours, if they were then you could do with them as you wish, which you cannot. The only way you can say that a wild bird/animal is 'yours' is when they are either dead, or in enclosed/captivity.

 

For example, if i had an aviary and had a pair of starlings nesting in said aviary. I could legally take their eggs. They are captive bred birdsm, ergo, the Acts do not apply. However, if another pair of Starlings nested in a hole in the dead tree in my garden, on my property, i would be breaking the law to interfere with the nest or take the eggs. Just for the record, this is a fantasy scenario as i no longer have an aviary.

 

But, as ever, i stand corrected, and i look forward to your learned reply on the matter.

 

Darcy, your comment reads like a letter

 

Ok, I can't stress this enough to anyone, there are LOTS of grey areas involving "Wild Animals" and I must make clear that most of the earlier posts are to do with poaching. Wheather you have a rabbit or a deer in your possession you have to justify why you have it.

 

I f you have permission to be at a certain location to kill whatever quarry, then "Property" will not be an issue. It only becomes an issue if you are trespassing and knowing you shouldn't be there.

 

The starling scenario cannot be compared to my pheasent one because under the wildlife and countryside act starlings are protected in all areas in the uk, which makes it illegal to intentionally kill, injure, take a starling, not to mention damage or destroy an active nest or its contents.

 

You made that as clear as mud artic Atleast JD's made sense!!!

 

Law is never clear Baw NEVER!

 

[Lab 10,979]

Anyone tried pheasant omelette made with pheasant eggs and the bird wat sat them

I heard when you tried to make the omlette the recipe said "seperate 2 eggs".....so you put 1 in the kitchen and 1 in the living room.....

Shame ye never heard me taking the eggs

Sometimes you can mistake a thief for a fox when its dark.........

[J Darcy 5,871]

OK Artic.

I still do not think that a wild pheasant 'on your property' becomes yours.

 

But, as ever, i bow to the might of the Law.....

 

Good Hunting....JD

[artic 595]

OK Artic.

I still do not think that a wild pheasant 'on your property' becomes yours.

 

But, as ever, i bow to the might of the Law.....

 

Good Hunting....JD

 

Please don't bow

 

When you say "Yours", what do you want to do with it if it's on your land/garden?

 

I'm on about shooting it, with permission, not poaching because that's obvious what will happen.

 

[J Darcy 5,871]

Well when you said 'yours' i presumed that you meant 'yours' not you having the right to shoot it.

 

My mistake.....

[tag 29]

the lowest form of hunter for me are the ones that devote their lives to beating on estates ,always hanging on other peoples coat-tales , desperate to belong , feeling the need to fit in , i can hold my hand up and say ive done it ... but it soon wears off and the craving to get more out of it takes over , till eventually your doing it for yourself , i can honestly say to these people , do it yourselves ,its much better killing stuff than watching others do it

[tag 29]

OK Artic.

I still do not think that a wild pheasant 'on your property' becomes yours.

 

But, as ever, i bow to the might of the Law.....

 

Good Hunting....JD

if im driving down a lane and a pheasant with an estates tag/logo on it smashes my windscreen is the estate responsable for the damage caused ??

[fieldsman 51]

Mr Darcy, you can delete this when ever you feel like it mate, its went off track big style lol

 

Best thing Baw, well said mate.

 

I think it would be the best thing...........obviously Baw has admitted defeat and realises he has been in the wrong. Takes a real man that......well done mate...

 

It's not that mate, its getting dark, roosting time...... going out with me torch soon...... I love the siloette a pheasant makes don't you........

When I was a kid I used to wonder what my grandad ment when he said the game birds needed plenty of salt and pepper this time of year .

[fieldsman 51]

f*****g hell artic, why not put your rank numbers on and be done with it lol.

 

Don't be silly petal, just having wild thoughts.

 

Darcy, there are many loop holes like I have said earlier, If your friend owns the land, then we have trespass with intent. It's a big old rule book, and it can send you round the twist , BUT there will always be a Charge for an offence. Leave that to the CPS.

 

 

 

artic, the question i asked was whether the earlier statement about owning the pheasant because it is on your land is incorrect or not?

Law has always held a particular interest to me, I could debate about it til the cows come home. I guess that you are agreeing that no wild animal or bird can be owned?

 

Darcy, you keep mentioning "Owning", so Iets not forget that "To Own" something means property. Now property can be real or personal.

 

Wild creatues/animals however you wish to call them are property, wheather they have been tamed, or kept in captivity. Once they have been lost, or abandoned and lets say come onto your land, then how do you prove who's property it is? 9 times out of 10 you won't do, unless someone claims that it is there's and can prove it. I.e a dog.

 

A quick senario, you shoot, in season 2 pheasants on your land, the keeper next door calls the police and states the 2 birds you shot are his. If the police have time for such a silly matter, they would turn up and ask the keeper if he could prove they are his. He does so, by means of tags under each wing. Are you going to get arrested for this? Of course not, it would be silly to, because, the birds are "Wild" and once released and move onto others land they do not become the PROPERTY of the keeper, they become yours. (Poaching is a different matter all together).

 

I've just touched on this, like I said it's very difficult to put to text.

 

Law has been an interest to me too Darcy, for a long time!

 

 

Hi Artic, it was you that first mentioned owning a bird on your property. And i quote:

 

"On your property they become yours"

 

What i am saying is that this is wrong.

 

In the scenario of the keeper contacting the police about two birds being shot, once free from captivity/ they are deemed wild and are no ones. No one can own a wild animal. Whether they have tags in their wings or not. As soon as the animal/bird is at liberty it is deemed to be wild. (Though whether being artificially fed from feeders means they are still 'captive' is a grey area surely?)

Wild animals and birds that venture onto your property are not yours, if they were then you could do with them as you wish, which you cannot. The only way you can say that a wild bird/animal is 'yours' is when they are either dead, or in enclosed/captivity.

 

For example, if i had an aviary and had a pair of starlings nesting in said aviary. I could legally take their eggs. They are captive bred birdsm, ergo, the Acts do not apply. However, if another pair of Starlings nested in a hole in the dead tree in my garden, on my property, i would be breaking the law to interfere with the nest or take the eggs. Just for the record, this is a fantasy scenario as i no longer have an aviary.

 

But, as ever, i stand corrected, and i look forward to your learned reply on the matter.

do they taste the same.

[fieldsman 51]

All this talk of poached pheasants reminds me of the hard times when lamped hares fetched a fiver a piece in my end of the world...... definitely not stealing either,just good old romanticised poaching...........

fifteen apiece now well worth the risk hundred a night on a good one before any one says I no that does,nt add up

[danw 1,748]

think this is the first civil ceremony on the thl, you pair realy need to come out the closet

 

Come out the closet We can't get in the closet cos your heads that far up dans arse, your taking up all the room!!

 

 

I should have known you would start the minute you knew I had gone typical poacher aint got the balls to say it to your face LOL :laugh:

[Blooded 62]

22 pages Might start my own thread in the shooting section: Gun Man's Hierarchy

 

1: FAC Rifle

 

2: Shotgun

 

3: Air rifle

 

4: Gat gun

 

5: Spud gun

 

6: Stone throwing

[Lab 10,979]

Anyone tried pheasant omelette made with pheasant eggs and the bird wat sat them

I heard when you tried to make the omlette the recipe said "seperate 2 eggs".....so you put 1 in the kitchen and 1 in the living room.....

Shame ye never heard me taking the eggs

Sometimes you can mistake a thief for a fox when its dark.........

Sometimes you can mistake a hungry man for a thief

If you can afford a computer and internet connection then your not going 'that' hungry..........

[danw 1,748]

Anyone tried pheasant omelette made with pheasant eggs and the bird wat sat them

I heard when you tried to make the omlette the recipe said "seperate 2 eggs".....so you put 1 in the kitchen and 1 in the living room.....

Shame ye never heard me taking the eggs

Sometimes you can mistake a thief for a fox when its dark.........

Sometimes you can mistake a hungry man for a thief

 

 

So the hungry man steals another's livelihood well guess what get a f*****g job like the rest of us :laugh:

[Bogger 243]

the lowest form of hunter for me are the ones that devote their lives to beating on estates ,always hanging on other peoples coat-tales , desperate to belong , feeling the need to fit in , i can hold my hand up and say ive done it ... but it soon wears off and the craving to get more out of it takes over , till eventually your doing it for yourself , i can honestly say to these people , do it yourselves ,its much better killing stuff than watching others do it

 

trouble is pal if you havent the money to shoot beating is how you get your sport eg beaters day an roost shooting or whatever most beaters cant afford the price of a gun so thats how they do it dont you think they would be on the other side if they could you cant just magic money in your pocket or i wouldnt be here talking to you would i?