Yes another "the state of our nation" thread

[Ideation 8,216]

Its not a case of either/or. I see folk all the time who give their children too much freedom, and those who give them too little, those who dont give them the clip round the ear they need and those who give them way more clips round the ear than is healthy. It's a tough thing to get right, and so many parents today don't have a clue where to start from (not aimed at anyone here), because they never really thought much about having the kids until they were there.

[shepp 2,285]

I blame parents.

Teachers are there to teach subjects in the classroom, they are not employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour. That is the job of the people who decided it would be nice to bring that child into the world. You see on TV in places like Africa, they come out of huts with mud floors dressed in clean school uniforms. The classroom is silent and the kids grasp every bit of knowledge they can because they know what real poverty is.

They know and appreciate how lucky there are to be getting an education which there family's can go hungry to give them.

 

I guess it's the same with everything, if people are given without it being earnt then they will never value what is given.

Too many in this country are so acutely away of there rights and entitlements but have utter disregard for there responsibilities.

 

 

WEll said mate.

 

Sorry teachers are employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour.Other wise it wil conflict will good parenting.Its just that some teach as they think fit.Big ego small brain.

 

If there was good parenting at home the extreme bad and disrespectful behaviour wouldn't be an issue in the class.

It's just pass the buck time with the lazy parents.

Parents need to realise, there children are there responsibility.

[twobob 1,497]

By your reasoning gnasher should have clipped his kids but didnt,but he used to get clipped by the sound of it and i bet it wasnt for been good.Thats not aimed at you gnasher its for 6pack.

 

 

I just think its something each individual has to make a decision on,its not for everyone.... i got plenty of clips,slippers,canes...my school was very strict....but as a big strong fella it just wasnt for me my kids were my babies i was a complete soft touch....but i can fully understand why parents would its not like they are dishing out a beating thats going to emotionally scar a kid...it makes me laugh all these new age ideas of parenting when the fact is we have the worst disciplined kids of any other generation in history !!....maybe these new age ideas just dont work !

The thing is gnasher i was complimented on how polite and well behaved they were more times than i clipped them.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Wats that old saying spare the rod spoil the child.

[mad al 146]

By your reasoning gnasher should have clipped his kids but didnt,but he used to get clipped by the sound of it and i bet it wasnt for been good.Thats not aimed at you gnasher its for 6pack.

 

 

I just think its something each individual has to make a decision on,its not for everyone.... i got plenty of clips,slippers,canes...my school was very strict....but as a big strong fella it just wasnt for me my kids were my babies i was a complete soft touch....but i can fully understand why parents would its not like they are dishing out a beating thats going to emotionally scar a kid...it makes me laugh all these new age ideas of parenting when the fact is we have the worst disciplined kids of any other generation in history !!....maybe these new age ideas just dont work !

The thing is gnasher i was complimented on how polite and well behaved they were more times than i clipped them.

we were in a school concert last night and a couple of children in the audience kicked off...................relatives and teachers tried to sort it and the parents..............found it "funny" :wacko:

[Ideation 8,216]

It's like dogs, or anything. You can't sit them down at a certain age and just 'instill' values and respect in them, you have to start from day 1. Too many parents let their kids run wild and then complain to the school, when the school sends them home or just puts them in isolation or chucks them out of the class. But at the end of the day there are 30 or so kids in most classes and 1 teacher. They got a job to do, to 'teach' a class, not to try to instill respect and basic values into little timmy, because his folks never bothered.

[gnasher16 30,591]

we were in a school concert last night and a couple of children in the audience kicked off...................relatives and teachers tried to sort it and the parents..............found it "funny" :wacko:

 

Crazy....folk dont seem to have any pride in their kids no more....i was never the greatest parent in the world but i always knew i could take my kids anywhere and they would never embarrass me,they knew their manners.....apart from that i spoiled them every chance i got....

This buiseness of finding it funny the first time you hear your kid say " f**k off c**t " i find amazing....what a slur on you as a parent to have to hear that.

[gnasher16 30,591]

It's a tough thing to get right, and so many parents today don't have a clue where to start from (not aimed at anyone here), because they never really thought much about having the kids until they were there.

 

 

Thats a fair point

[Tomm Parr 30]

I was a teacher for several years, secondary and primary. I packed it in for two reasons:

 

I was sick of babysitting little shits who'd no desire to learn, who wanted only to disrupt lessons and attract attention.

I was sick of dealing with some parents moaning and complaining that i'd had the 'cheek' (!) to tell off their child.

 

During my time as teacher (this is not the same for all schools/kids/ parents/teachers, it is my experience only), many parents were absolutely amazed that i'd 'dared' to discipline their 'little angel'. Some became angry and even violent when told about issues that had arisen in class, rather than accept the word of the professional entrusted to do just that.

 

I wasn't paid to teach kids right-from-wrong, they should have been taught that before they even got to school age. I was paid to teach; sadly bad behaviour (from a minority of pupils) and lack of support, not just from parents but often from senior school staff (who were scared of bad news being made public) meant that 'teaching' was not possible.

 

Anyway, rant over. I am talking from my own experience; I am not trying to generalise all kids/teachers/parents/schools and am not having a go at anyone here. I'm sure my comment shall get slated by someone anyway.

Edited April 14, 2011 by Tomm Parr

[mad al 146]

I was a teacher for several years, secondary and primary. I packed it in for two reasons:

 

I was sick of babysitting little shits who'd no desire to learn, who wanted only to disrupt lessons and attract attention.

I was sick of dealing with some parents moaning and complaining that i'd had the 'cheek' (!) to tell off their child.

 

During my time as teacher (this is not the same for all schools/kids/ parents/teachers, it is my experience only), many parents were absolutely amazed that i'd 'dared' to discipline their 'little angel'. Some became angry and even violent when told about issues that had arisen in class, rather than accept the word of the professional entrusted to do just that.

 

I wasn't paid to teach kids right-from-wrong, they should have been taught that before they even got to school age. I was paid to teach; sadly bad behaviour (from a minority of pupils) and lack of support, not just from parents but often from senior school staff (who were scared of bad news being made public) meant that 'teaching' was not possible.

 

Anyway, rant over. I am talking from my own experience so am not trying to generalise. I'm sure my comment shall get slated by someone anyway.

 

nice input and I wouldn't have wanted your job!............Al

[Catcher 1 639]

I blame parents.

Teachers are there to teach subjects in the classroom, they are not employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour. That is the job of the people who decided it would be nice to bring that child into the world. You see on TV in places like Africa, they come out of huts with mud floors dressed in clean school uniforms. The classroom is silent and the kids grasp every bit of knowledge they can because they know what real poverty is.

They know and appreciate how lucky there are to be getting an education which there family's can go hungry to give them.

 

I guess it's the same with everything, if people are given without it being earnt then they will never value what is given.

Too many in this country are so acutely away of there rights and entitlements but have utter disregard for there responsibilities.

 

 

WEll said mate.

 

Sorry teachers are employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour.Other wise it wil conflict will good parenting.Its just that some teach as they think fit.Big ego small brain.

 

If there was good parenting at home the extreme bad and disrespectful behaviour wouldn't be an issue in the class.

It's just pass the buck time with the lazy parents.

Parents need to realise, there children are there responsibility.

 

 

But when they are in the care of the school.It then become there responsibilty.Most children spend eight hour a day at school.And please dont tell all teachers are the bees and ees.Some of them are low life that pray on childrenAnd you cant say every child that is rased repectivly turn out modle citizen.

[6pack 60]

I was a teacher for several years, secondary and primary. I packed it in for two reasons:

 

I was sick of babysitting little shits who'd no desire to learn, who wanted only to disrupt lessons and attract attention.

I was sick of dealing with some parents moaning and complaining that i'd had the 'cheek' (!) to tell off their child.

 

During my time as teacher (this is not the same for all schools/kids/ parents/teachers, it is my experience only), many parents were absolutely amazed that i'd 'dared' to discipline their 'little angel'. Some became angry and even violent when told about issues that had arisen in class, rather than accept the word of the professional entrusted to do just that.

 

I wasn't paid to teach kids right-from-wrong, they should have been taught that before they even got to school age. I was paid to teach; sadly bad behaviour (from a minority of pupils) and lack of support, not just from parents but often from senior school staff (who were scared of bad news being made public) meant that 'teaching' was not possible.

 

Anyway, rant over. I am talking from my own experience; I am not trying to generalise all kids/teachers/parents/schools and am not having a go at anyone here. I'm sure my comment shall get slated by someone anyway.

 

I can feel for you there.

A new paper very nicely called 'every child matters' puts many teachers in a position of sacrificing a whole class over one singular child. But then shouldn't every child matter?

Over populated and under staffed schools make it even harder.

Then I think the system is also at fault.

Children sit regular tests to see where they are, but those falling below are moved on regardless, with their age group instead of their capabilities. They fall further behind and disruption becomes worse.

 

When my youngest was diagnosed ADHD, my father commented that they didn't have ADHD children when capital punishment was allowed.

Well of course we did, they were just considered repeat offenders, trouble causers, regardless of how many times they were caned.

 

I understand what you are saying Gnasher, but to me no one has that right to my children other than me.

[6pack 60]

I blame parents.

Teachers are there to teach subjects in the classroom, they are not employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour. That is the job of the people who decided it would be nice to bring that child into the world. You see on TV in places like Africa, they come out of huts with mud floors dressed in clean school uniforms. The classroom is silent and the kids grasp every bit of knowledge they can because they know what real poverty is.

They know and appreciate how lucky there are to be getting an education which there family's can go hungry to give them.

 

I guess it's the same with everything, if people are given without it being earnt then they will never value what is given.

Too many in this country are so acutely away of there rights and entitlements but have utter disregard for there responsibilities.

 

 

WEll said mate.

 

Sorry teachers are employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour.Other wise it wil conflict will good parenting.Its just that some teach as they think fit.Big ego small brain.

 

If there was good parenting at home the extreme bad and disrespectful behaviour wouldn't be an issue in the class.

It's just pass the buck time with the lazy parents.

Parents need to realise, there children are there responsibility.

 

I think you spot on there.

I don't stop being a parent just because the children are at school.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

If my kids play up at school then they'll get punished when they come home. Both of my kids are doing better than the targets the teachers set for them, so are doing really well. The eldest has had a couple of detentions and as well as the detention and getting in trouble with the teacher, he got in trouble with me and was grounded and had his console and laptop taken away from him until I was convinced he realised where he had gone wrong and was sorry for what he had done. I reward good behaviour and good grades, and try to make them feel really good about what they have accomplished, but if either of them f*ck about then they'll soon wish they hadn't.

 

Besides that I've got a close relationship with both of my lads, I spend time with them and listen to them, and I think if more parents took the time out to get to know their kids then it wouldn't be so hard to control them.

[Catcher 1 639]

I blame parents.

Teachers are there to teach subjects in the classroom, they are not employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour. That is the job of the people who decided it would be nice to bring that child into the world. You see on TV in places like Africa, they come out of huts with mud floors dressed in clean school uniforms. The classroom is silent and the kids grasp every bit of knowledge they can because they know what real poverty is.

They know and appreciate how lucky there are to be getting an education which there family's can go hungry to give them.

 

I guess it's the same with everything, if people are given without it being earnt then they will never value what is given.

Too many in this country are so acutely away of there rights and entitlements but have utter disregard for there responsibilities.

 

 

WEll said mate.

 

Sorry teachers are employed to teach moral values and correct behaviour.Other wise it wil conflict will good parenting.Its just that some teach as they think fit.Big ego small brain.

 

If there was good parenting at home the extreme bad and disrespectful behaviour wouldn't be an issue in the class.

It's just pass the buck time with the lazy parents.

Parents need to realise, there children are there responsibility.

 

I think you spot on there.

I don't stop being a parent just because the children are at school.

 

So price harry smoking hash is ok.Or if that the queens fault.