matt_hooks 188 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Chris. I use a similar set of sticks to yours (thin walled telescopic aluminium tubing with foam "handles" and a piece of nylon webbing across the top to form a cradle, they're even the same colour) for live firing and stalking in .22LR and .243. The only difference is mine are tripods, they have an additional leg which makes them an extremely stable shooting base. When you are resting your rifle on the sticks, are you using the webbing strap, or the foam handles, or the actual aluminium of the sticks? I would suggest that the results for each would be very different. If we are to make this a scientific exercise, we need to ensure that we set the basic conditions out transparently, in order to help make the tests repeatable. I'm interested to find out if you managed to get the 'x' shooting groups off the bipod, or whether it's just the other rifle? If one shoots well off sticks, but the other doesn't, then we need to consider the differences between the two rifles, to see if we can form a hypothesis as to why this might be the case. Quote Link to post
pianoman 3,587 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Must say I'm under the impression that Chris is shooting his rifle off the sticks themselves. Not with padding or cradles of any sort Matt. Quote Link to post
andyfr1968 772 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) I wish I could explain myself better as to how I shoot off a stick..... It's something I've done for such a long time and it's a technique I take so much for granted, I find it very hard to expand upon... Vive la stick!!!! Le cheers......... Edit to add.... I've had to adopt a rather unorthodox shooting style due to various injuries sustained over the years but it works OK for me so I can understand how someone else may be able to make something a little different work for them.... Edited May 15, 2011 by andyfr1968 Quote Link to post
pianoman 3,587 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Having seen you shoot with a walking stick support Andy, I can describe it as a sitting position, with stick held in the cup and lower fingers of your left palm and the rifle forestock resting on your 2nd and index fingers. At no point is your rifle actually in contact with the stick you are holding. Simon Quote Link to post
andyfr1968 772 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Having seen you shoot with a walking stick support Andy, I can describe it as a sitting position, with stick held in the cup and lower fingers of your left palm and the rifle forestock resting on your 2nd and index fingers. At no point is your rifle actually in contact with the stick you are holding. Simon Ah yes, that's the fella. I'd had one two many shandies last night to be able to make any sense of that. Or anything else really..... Quote Link to post
Manco 16 Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Chris. I use a similar set of sticks to yours (thin walled telescopic aluminium tubing with foam "handles" and a piece of nylon webbing across the top to form a cradle, they're even the same colour) for live firing and stalking in .22LR and .243. The only difference is mine are tripods, they have an additional leg which makes them an extremely stable shooting base. When you are resting your rifle on the sticks, are you using the webbing strap, or the foam handles, or the actual aluminium of the sticks? I would suggest that the results for each would be very different. If we are to make this a scientific exercise, we need to ensure that we set the basic conditions out transparently, in order to help make the tests repeatable. I'm interested to find out if you managed to get the 'x' shooting groups off the bipod, or whether it's just the other rifle? If one shoots well off sticks, but the other doesn't, then we need to consider the differences between the two rifles, to see if we can form a hypothesis as to why this might be the case. Matt, to reply: (1) I wasn't able to get an acceptable group shooting the X directly off a tall bi-pod (sticks). To get accuracy I have to shoot it in the normal way of using a springer with a rifle support i.e. with the fore-end resting on the back (or palm) of my hand. It has a synthetic stock and is quite a bit lighter than the HW50S. Apart from this quirk, I really like the X - I put up a review of it on this board several months ago. (2) I have achieved the results I have posted in this thread by shooting the 'S' with the fore-end of the rifle resting directly in the 'V' cradle of the sticks. (3) Like you, I have used the sticks to good effect with pcp, rimfire and centre-fire rifles. (4)I have shot with a 'strap' fastened across the top of the sticks with the fore-end resting on it. I found this worked well too but could give rise to some 'vertical stringing' of shots with the slightest pressure on the rifle from my supporting hand. The X would not shoot well off the strap either. Quite independently of the trials with a springer/bi-pod combo I decided to fashion a tripod rest (from a lightweight photographic tripod). I have just tried shooting the X off this (but with the fore-end resting on my hand) and I hope to post some details if if I think it might be of interest. Since losing access to the farm I don't get to do air rifle hunting these days - but plenty of plinking and an occasional bit of pest control. ATB Chris Quote Link to post
secretagentmole 1,701 Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 An example of someone using a clip on bipod on a cheap springer is to be found at this web site, second article down, right at the end of the video... Airgun TV Quote Link to post
Manco 16 Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Clip-on bi-pod? Never thought of that.... Chris Quote Link to post
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