Creatine and other suppliments

[Gunner123 103]

I don't think nothing, I was asking who wrote the article and are they on here to debate their findings. Simple. I have since been pm'd and told the article was written by a clown. That was quick and speaks volumes! hahaha!

[bleachtastesnice 4]

Rahaha, fair enuff, the fella who wrote the article is called Darren Gallagher, I hardly ever read the countrymans and have never hear of him before soo I wouldnt take his write up as gospel, but it did give me the idea of looking into the giving of suppliements too lurchers.

 

I have heard of people giving there dogs electrolytes before too aid hydration and prevent cramps, any one tryed this? Maby it would help balance out the possible cramping side effects of the creatine?

[sowhat 1,572]

Right then, been flicking through this weeks copy of the countrymansweekly and theres a good write up on the use off supplements in working dogs, has any one else read it and what are your views? Have you ever thought about it or do you have a routine?

 

I am sure that alot of people will say 'with the right diet there not necessary' but this isnt what am after, I personnaly think that its a good idea and can give a dog the edge, be it in performance, recovery, overall health and well being.

 

I also think that theres a massive difference in giving your dog supplements such as creatine, B vitamins and cod liver oil comparred too sustanon and deca which this thread is not intended too be about.

 

Maby there was a difference in use and opinion pre-ban on bigger quary or quary with teeth? Would also think there is more use in the coursing and racing scenes?

 

Cheers, Bleachtastesnice

[uno 62]

Just to point out chocolate flavoured protien drinks have no chocolate or cocoa in however dogs seem to love the flavour/taste

so what improvement have you seen in your whippets or do you use creatine because darren does.

[rolysmate 49]

Just to point out chocolate flavoured protien drinks have no chocolate or cocoa in however dogs seem to love the flavour/taste

so what improvement have you seen in your whippets or do you use creatine because darren does.

 

 

Did I say I use creatine?????

[rolysmate 49]

2nd part of the article is in this weeks cmw, follows on nicely!!!

[steve66 3,555]

Whens cmw out ?

[rolysmate 49]

Whens cmw out ?

 

 

Today

[uno 62]

Just to point out chocolate flavoured protien drinks have no chocolate or cocoa in however dogs seem to love the flavour/taste

so what improvement have you seen in your whippets or do you use creatine because darren does.

 

 

Did I say I use creatine?????

do you or dont you,or do you just use the choc flav protien drink.

[rolysmate 49]

DG at the moment due to computor problems is struggling to get on here however those who want to why not join up on poachers rest and ask your questions directly and I"m sure that DG will be happy to answer.

 

A statement he made to me in conversation one day impressed me when talking about supplements he said and I quote, "I just dont want to know what they do I want to know and understand why they do it."

Now there are alot of folk out there who don"t even know what they do as has been shown in this and other threads in the past never mind why they do it, DG has his knockers but then again anybody who puts themselves in the lime light and speaks out is going to have them, yes he can be outspoken and blunt, he doesn"t suffer fools gladly and generally doesn"t talk bollox he likes and enjoys knowing his subject.

I have taken the time to get to know the man and have found him to be a good honest friend who has a depth of knowledge which he is willing to share, now there are those who having read this will immediately put me as one of DG"s gang/disciples and because of that will make assumptions about me without even knowing me and wil want to dispute and disbelieve anything I say not a problem as far as I"m concerned but a shame really as at the end of the day were all hunters and dare I say dog men and should be working to the same end the improvement of our dogs and possibly if you took the time to get to know me you would find I"m my own man and very open to others thoughts (as long as they make sense).

 

Once again as I said get yourselves over to poachers and ask your questions BUT try and keep it sensible though I know that there are a few who find that difficult.

[rolysmate 49]

Just to point out chocolate flavoured protien drinks have no chocolate or cocoa in however dogs seem to love the flavour/taste

so what improvement have you seen in your whippets or do you use creatine because darren does.

 

 

Did I say I use creatine?????

do you or dont you,or do you just use the choc flav protien drink.

 

 

To date I haven"t used creatine myself though it is something that I will give a try and monitor the results, I do currently use other supplements, B complex,B12 and codliver oil and yes I have used the protein powders after a hard workout to help with muscle build and electrolytes after running to help with recovery

[Guest C U JIMMY]

Although not all clinical studies agree, some conducted in both animals and people have shown that creatine supplements improve strength and lean muscle mass during high-intensity, short-duration exercises (such as weight lifting). In these studies, the positive results were seen mainly in young people (roughly 20 years of age). Most human studies have taken place in laboratories, not in people actually playing sports. Creatine does not seem to improve performance in exercises that requires endurance (like running) or in exercise that isn't repeated, although study results are mixed.

 

Although creatine is not banned by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) or the International Olympic Committee, using it for athletic performance is controversial. The NCAA prohibits member schools from giving creatine and other muscle building supplements to their athletes, although it doesn't ban athletes from using it. The French Agency of Medical Security for Food (AFSSA) asserts that the use of creatine supplements is "against the spirit of sportsmanship and fair competition."

 

Creatine appears to be generally safe, although when it is taken at high doses there is the potential for serious side effects such as kidney damage and the risk of inhibiting the body's natural formation of creatine.

 

I would never use this on my dogs if your going to be working your dogs hard, then feed them on quality food with a bit of raw beef thrown in also 1/2 a tablet of asorbic acid 3 times a week, also 1/2 tea spoon of shredded suet sprinkled on their grub Jeff Fletcher gave me this tip 15 years ago and he's one of best dog men in the country for condtioning and turning out a fit and healthy dogs, and I've never looked back.

Edited April 13, 2011 by C U JIMMY

[Guest C U JIMMY]

DG at the moment due to computor problems is struggling to get on here however those who want to why not join up on poachers rest and ask your questions directly and I"m sure that DG will be happy to answer.

 

A statement he made to me in conversation one day impressed me when talking about supplements he said and I quote, "I just dont want to know what they do I want to know and understand why they do it."

Now there are alot of folk out there who don"t even know what they do as has been shown in this and other threads in the past never mind why they do it, DG has his knockers but then again anybody who puts themselves in the lime light and speaks out is going to have them, yes he can be outspoken and blunt, he doesn"t suffer fools gladly and generally doesn"t talk bollox he likes and enjoys knowing his subject.

I have taken the time to get to know the man and have found him to be a good honest friend who has a depth of knowledge which he is willing to share, now there are those who having read this will immediately put me as one of DG"s gang/disciples and because of that will make assumptions about me without even knowing me and wil want to dispute and disbelieve anything I say not a problem as far as I"m concerned but a shame really as at the end of the day were all hunters and dare I say dog men and should be working to the same end the improvement of our dogs and possibly if you took the time to get to know me you would find I"m my own man and very open to others thoughts (as long as they make sense).

 

Once again as I said get yourselves over to poachers and ask your questions BUT try and keep it sensible though I know that there are a few who find that difficult.

 

He's becoming a right little Marjorie Proops or even a David Dimbleby the mans a nob head and full of shit trying to impress the young kids on poachers pest,he's a googler, thats were he gets his information from

Edited April 13, 2011 by C U JIMMY

[Country Joe 1,411]

# Ascorbic acid, also called Vitamin C, is a naturally occurring substance that is important in the formation of collagen.

# Ascorbic acid is manufactured by most animals, except for some birds, fish, guinea pigs, fruit bats, and primates (and humans.).

# In dogs and cats, ascorbic acid is manufactured in the liver and normally does not need to be supplemented. Claims that nutritional deficiency of ascorbic acid causes scurvy in dogs and cats are probably inaccurate.

# The only situation in which ascorbic acid deficiency might occur in dogs and cats is in the case of liver disease, which might disrupt its production. Ascorbic acid may have some application in treating certain toxicity syndromes and, perhaps, in treating feline immunodeficiency virus infection.

DR Nicholas Dodman.

I suppose its down to what you think works for you,I used to Ferret twice a week and lamp twice and thrice a week, in-between I walked two miles a day,they were fed well and the only supplement I used was SA37 and Cod Liver Oil, and recharge electrolyte drink after a days rabbiting, or lamping,

this along with a good dry warm kennel worked for me,I am not saying creatine does not work,I have not tried it and I guess I never will.

[rolysmate 49]

So in essence asorbic acid (vitamin c) is of little or no use and generally not required so another one with no evidence to support it"s use, shame you didn"t google it!!!

Shredded suet well possible benefits to this are increased energy levels so potentially of some use