Creatine and other suppliments

[bleachtastesnice 4]

Right then, been flicking through this weeks copy of the countrymansweekly and theres a good write up on the use off supplements in working dogs, has any one else read it and what are your views? Have you ever thought about it or do you have a routine?

 

I am sure that alot of people will say 'with the right diet there not necessary' but this isnt what am after, I personnaly think that its a good idea and can give a dog the edge, be it in performance, recovery, overall health and well being.

 

I also think that theres a massive difference in giving your dog supplements such as creatine, B vitamins and cod liver oil comparred too sustanon and deca which this thread is not intended too be about.

 

Maby there was a difference in use and opinion pre-ban on bigger quary or quary with teeth? Would also think there is more use in the coursing and racing scenes?

 

Cheers, Bleachtastesnice

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Cod liver oil is good for dogs joints,skin and coat.Creatine is a natural substance found in red meat and when used needs to be taken with loads of water through the day or you will notice very little gains(in humans).A dog will not drink more water thn he needs so it will be pointless.Also creatine can cause muscle cramps and upset stomachs,this would definately happen with a dog who`s not consumed enough water.As for the steroids,any twat that would put juice into an animal needs a good talking to.

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It was a bit lacking in any sort of substance

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[bleachtastesnice 4]

I thought it was quite informative, too be fair it wasnt the best artical I have ever read but its only the first part of two articles and I do have a genuine intrest in the subject.

 

I know what your saying about not drinking more water than needed, but I am not clued up on creatine causing cramps in humans I will look into this cheers, in the article it is mixed in with a 'chocolate' protien shake, I know for a fact that if i gave my dog a chocolate milk he would neck the lot!

[lurcher330 2,297]

I thought it was quite informative, too be fair it wasnt the best artical I have ever read but its only the first part of two articles and I do have a genuine intrest in the subject.

 

I know what your saying about not drinking more water than needed, but I am not clued up on creatine causing cramps in humans I will look into this cheers, in the article it is mixed in with a 'chocolate' protien shake, I know for a fact that if i gave my dog a chocolate milk he would neck the lot!

 

i have read that artical and found it very intersting but the thing that cause's me concern in it is the choclate protien shake because there is a chemical in choclate that can be leatal to dogs i myself only give the dogs cod liver oil in their food to help maintain a good coat and keep the joints well oiled but for building muscle mass it's just the plain ole simply right amount of food and excersie and my own dogs seem to do ok

[bleachtastesnice 4]

Aye mate, I have heard about the chocolate thing being leathle for dogs aswell, it was one off the first things that crossed my mind when I read it, and just too be safe I wouldnt use chocolate flavour if I was too use it at all. Glad your dogs are doin alright aswell

 

As with the lurcher owners who feed raw I understand there is a natural source of creatine in meat, particularly in red meat such as beef, but really there is not alot compared too a suplymented source.

[DogMagic 461]

In humans creatine builds muscle mass ONLY IF YOU WORK OUT HARD, if you take creatine then sit on the sofa 24/7 all it will do is build fat mass and make you shit! Lol! Iv never considered giving it to my dogs untill i saw that article and tbh i dont think i will bother. All my dogs are well muscled up anyway simply by giving them 2 hour long walks a day and lamping them most nights plus a good diet. Mine do get cod liver oil, garlic granules and blended up veg added to their barf diet.

[Malt 379]

In humans creatine builds muscle mass ONLY IF YOU WORK OUT HARD, if you take creatine then sit on the sofa 24/7 all it will do is build fat mass and make you shit! Lol!

 

 

 

 

You also need to get extra protein into a subject for creatine to have any muscle building effect, or so I've always been led to believe. If you were to use any supplements in that way, you'd have to put a lot of work into the dog, far more than you'd normally need to get the desired results. It wouldn't be a matter of simply giving the dog the stuff and just carrying on as per usual. You'd have to vastly increase the amount of exercise and the amount of food...

 

I can't see the point personally. Dogs have been doing the job fine without it, and IMO the only people who'd consider using it (on a dog) are people who are looking for a quick fix or a short cut..

[uno 62]

Creatine is an amino acid derivative formed in the liver, kidneys, and pancreas from the amino acids arginine, glycine, and methionine. It is found in red meat and fish.

Creatine is not a muscle builder. It aids in the body production of ATP, a fuel, for short, intense bursts of energy. In humans, it builds lean body mass by helping the muscle work longer, allowing one to train harder, lift more weight, and have more repetitions. It is the increase in exercise which results in building muscle, not creatine alone.

 

No long-term studies have been performed to determine long-term effects of creatine use. Short-term use of low doses in humans appears to be safe. Side effects seen in humans include muscle cramping, muscle strains/pulls, upset stomach, dehydration, weight gain due to water retention, and diarrhea.

[donkdaniel 236]

In humans creatine builds muscle mass ONLY IF YOU WORK OUT HARD, if you take creatine then sit on the sofa 24/7 all it will do is build fat mass and make you shit! Lol!

 

 

 

 

You also need to get extra protein into a subject for creatine to have any muscle building effect, or so I've always been led to believe. If you were to use any supplements in that way, you'd have to put a lot of work into the dog, far more than you'd normally need to get the desired results. It wouldn't be a matter of simply giving the dog the stuff and just carrying on as per usual. You'd have to vastly increase the amount of exercise and the amount of food...

 

I can't see the point personally. Dogs have been doing the job fine without it, and IMO the only people who'd consider using it (on a dog) are people who are looking for a quick fix or a short cut..

ive used creatine on and off four about 8 years now some people have side effects i personally have never had any as far as having to take protein with it ive never bothered and had good gains with it but as with the side effects have had mates wich think it is rubbish so perhaps its the same for dogs at my natural weight im 19 stone the heaviest i ever got to on creatine and nothing else was 23 1/2 stone so id say it worked for me but as already was mentioned you must put the work in i also read this article and will be giving my dog creatine with an intense work out (pre season) to see how we go also before i finish you must give creatin a rest when using just like anything else hope this helps just sharing my experenses with the supplement no lies no arguments fact hope this helps atb donk

[prohunter 0]

uno you have just hit the nail on the head for what it is, i use it for my self when training thai boxing basically what it does is pretty much give you a buzz to make you train harder for longer and make you more focused on what you are doing personally i have never had the side affects mentioned, but i could see why it might be a good supplement to use when competing or wanting the dog to perform better than usual but it wouldn't be used every day just on days you want the dog to seek the benefit. i only take it on days i train and not on days i don't so i wouldn't see why it would be different for dogs.

[uno 62]

its not somthing id want to put in my dogs,but each to their own,do athletes use it or just people with no neck lol.

[prohunter 0]

its not somthing id want to put in my dogs,but each to their own,do athletes use it or just people with no neck lol.

 

 

all athletes mate it gives every one who takes it an advantage, makes ya get in to the zone and work harder, for example i went on a army training thing the other week we all had done the same training but we got divided in to two teams to compete against each other so i gave every one some creatine (no xplode) before we did a steeple chase and we beat the other team by two minutes says it all mate it not just for getting bigger its for all round performance been if it running to weight lifting they all work off the same principles the harder you work the better you will become.

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I read the article in CMW also and I'm not convinced the gains are enough to make me want to feed creatine? I do feed cold liver oil. But to be honest I think a good, interesting and balanced diet, good clean water, stimulation and tons of exercise plus adequate rest is more than enough to produce good lurchers and running dogs.

[uno 62]

its not somthing id want to put in my dogs,but each to their own,do athletes use it or just people with no neck lol.

 

 

all athletes mate it gives every one who takes it an advantage, makes ya get in to the zone and work harder, for example i went on a army training thing the other week we all had done the same training but we got divided in to two teams to compete against each other so i gave every one some creatine (no xplode) before we did a steeple chase and we beat the other team by two minutes says it all mate it not just for getting bigger its for all round performance been if it running to weight lifting they all work off the same principles the harder you work the better you will become.

you live and learn,thanks,atb