France have banned THAT veil

[mackay 3,330]

The way to stem or slow down the level of immigration to my way of thinking is through benefits, an overhaul of our welfare system and a far more stringent set of criteria before you are eligable for money would go a long way to helping. Giving money to every immigrant who turns up unanounced should be stopped immediately.

A question I've asked many liberal left wing hand wringers over the years is, why if they consider the British people are generally racist and intolerant of immigrants do they still bust their arse to get here often risking life and limb (can't be the weather) never had a satisfactory answer yet, although my own theory of free benefits, health care and housing is the main cause is dismissed out of hand.

[twobob 1,497]

The way to stem or slow down the level of immigration to my way of thinking is through benefits, an overhaul of our welfare system and a far more stringent set of criteria before you are eligable for money would go a long way to helping. Giving money to every immigrant who turns up unanounced should be stopped immediately.

A question I've asked many liberal left wing hand wringers over the years is, why if they consider the British people are generally racist and intolerant of immigrants do they still bust their arse to get here often risking life and limb (can't be the weather) never had a satisfactory answer yet, although my own theory of free benefits, health care and housing is the main cause is dismissed out of hand.

Your bang on

[steveS.Yorks 161]

Well it seems my reply has been pulled ideation,shame because there was a lot of truth in there,i wont agree to disagree on this one mate,youre right i wont change my views anyway,of them or you.

[Tallyho 181]

I find these threads interesting, it really looks like all the 100% patriotic Brit hardmen are scared shitless by anyone who is different to them. How about once and for all you all stop mouthing, get your arse up out of the chair and do something about the problems rather that talking pure shite on here. If all he arguments you lads have against muslims and foreigners are good ones ye should have no problem rallying your great country and it's people to the common good and have such a majority that the Govt. will have no choice but to listen.

 

Coming on here complaining day after day is just making you out to be big bags of hot air.

 

 

A lot do think like this but are too frightened to come forward and say any thing.Normally any thing said about keeping britain britain or not having anything that is not our culture or heritage f**k me you get jumped on for being racist , like i have said befor they have more rights that we do, they can stand in london and call for all us to be killed , the moment me or somone else( white british )say any thing or even think any bad about them we are come down on like a sack of shite . so yeah GOOD on france for not being dictated too by muslims, its there country and if them or others dont like it then my guess is they are quite welcome to leave, and maybe go back home to where there roots are ! No they wont because they dont get looked after over there like they do here or france, muslim women would not even be allowed to walk out the house like they do in france by them selves , as they would be stoned, so if they want to leave all that caveman shit behind then they got to live by our rules.

[mad al 146]

I find these threads interesting, it really looks like all the 100% patriotic Brit hardmen are scared shitless by anyone who is different to them. How about once and for all you all stop mouthing, get your arse up out of the chair and do something about the problems rather that talking pure shite on here. If all he arguments you lads have against muslims and foreigners are good ones ye should have no problem rallying your great country and it's people to the common good and have such a majority that the Govt. will have no choice but to listen.

 

Coming on here complaining day after day is just making you out to be big bags of hot air.

 

 

A lot do think like this but are too frightened to come forward and say any thing.Normally any thing said about keeping britain britain or not having anything that is not our culture or heritage f**k me you get jumped on for being racist , like i have said befor they have more rights that we do, they can stand in london and call for all us to be killed , the moment me or somone else( white british )say any thing or even think any bad about them we are come down on like a sack of shite . so yeah GOOD on france for not being dictated too by muslims, its there country and if them or others dont like it then my guess is they are quite welcome to leave, and maybe go back home to where there roots are ! No they wont because they dont get looked after over there like they do here or france, muslim women would not even be allowed to walk out the house like they do in france by them selves , as they would be stoned, so if they want to leave all that caveman shit behind then they got to live by our rules.

 

not a lotta people can deal with that Tally but thank you for your reply which is very true

[Tallyho 181]

I find these threads interesting, it really looks like all the 100% patriotic Brit hardmen are scared shitless by anyone who is different to them. How about once and for all you all stop mouthing, get your arse up out of the chair and do something about the problems rather that talking pure shite on here. If all he arguments you lads have against muslims and foreigners are good ones ye should have no problem rallying your great country and it's people to the common good and have such a majority that the Govt. will have no choice but to listen.

 

Coming on here complaining day after day is just making you out to be big bags of hot air.

 

 

A lot do think like this but are too frightened to come forward and say any thing.Normally any thing said about keeping britain britain or not having anything that is not our culture or heritage f**k me you get jumped on for being racist , like i have said befor they have more rights that we do, they can stand in london and call for all us to be killed , the moment me or somone else( white british )say any thing or even think any bad about them we are come down on like a sack of shite . so yeah GOOD on france for not being dictated too by muslims, its there country and if them or others dont like it then my guess is they are quite welcome to leave, and maybe go back home to where there roots are ! No they wont because they dont get looked after over there like they do here or france, muslim women would not even be allowed to walk out the house like they do in france by them selves , as they would be stoned, so if they want to leave all that caveman shit behind then they got to live by our rules.

 

not a lotta people can deal with that Tally but thank you for your reply which is very true

 

 

your welcome al

[shepp 2,285]

Remember when those Roma gypsies were hounded out of Belfast and the media made a huge fuss about it.

Well that direct action has no doubt saved us tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of benefits.

Edited April 14, 2011 by shepp

[The Seeker 3,048]

Said it before this burka thing is not a religious requirement it's the Muslim race trying to develop their culture within ours. They have no intention of integration, ultimately they wish to convert our country to a Muslim state.

40% of UK Muslims want the UK to be under sharia law

20% of UK Muslims sympathised with the 7th July bombers.

These are not people in other countries these are the people living in the UK.

 

Ideation it's all well and good to be a liberal and you clearly have an intellectual argument but would you have the same liberal opinion and be able to face your great grand children if this country falls under a Muslim state with sharia law 100 years from now? Exaggeration? Look at France they say it could have a majority Muslim population within 50 years due to the child expansion of it's Muslim population and immigration.

 

I don't have an issue with another persons culture look at the Chinese I don't know a single person that as a problem with them in this country, they have a different religion etc but they just integrate and have no wish to change our way of life, for some reason that can't be said the same as this lot, and don't kid yourself for one moment that because Abdhul who serves you in your local newsagent with a smiling face and a "have a good day" wouldn't piss on your chips, to him we are infidels

 

We need to take a leaf out of Italy's book, new mosques are banned in most cities, they just won't put up with this s**t end of....

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

 

I think maybe my view of our society is a bit twisted by what i do mate, and although i do it because i can help blah blah, i have to be honest and say its also because i can be flexible with my time and basicly hunt 4 or so days a week in winter.

 

Here's me thinking you're some sort of saint lol.

 

I think the thing with muslims, is that for the main parrt, it's just like anything else, most are very normal, not extreme at all, and think honour killings etc etc are as nuts as we do. But of course there are the nutters, that use the religion as a way of being a nasty wee b*****d, just like some do with christianity, or anything really. But those are the ones that tend to stick out and make you view the rest with suspicion.

 

What i mean is, the things you mentioned are not 'typical' for a muslim anymore than the stuff that the mormons do is typical for your average british christian.

 

I don't agree there mate. I'm not saying all of them are willing to slaughter their own kids for not doing as they want but you wont see too many protests against any of these medieval customs. The majority of them are willing to except that, that is the way it is for them, and couldn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks about it.

 

I found that a lot of the muslims i met who think women should cover it, its more a reaction to our society, at least in the area where i work, they see our society as pretty sick and sex obsessed, so its less about muslim men as much as our men they worry about. That make sense.

 

Don't agree there either I'm afraid. It's not only something they do over here is it, it's widely worn in their own countries as well, so it's nothing to do with how they see us. And like you said, if they do see us as being sick and sex obsessed then why come over here and breed like rabbits?

 

Also for many they reckon that its a way of talking to and being with a women without making her into a physical object, not literally raping her, but just seeing her as a sexy women, rather than just a person. And we all know how hard it is to keep your mind on the job with a hot girl working next to you.

 

You seriously believe that? Not seeing a woman as a physical object come on mate. By and large (traditionally) Muslim women are looked up on as being inferior to Men. Women are there to please men, to give him children, they're there for domestic use and not much else. So who looks at them as objects?

 

Muslim men pulling up alongside women is no rare thing either, I've seen car loads of them harassing girls in the past.

 

Now i know that the kids i see are at the bottem of the pile culture wise, but they are a growing group, we have a major problem with the kids of this country, they are spinning out of control, and we have several generations of it now. In my opinion we could maybe spend a bit more time worrying about what the f**k we are going to do about our kids than what another religion is wearing, truth is, i just dont car, aye its a bit mad, but whatever, so are bum-bags.

 

(p.s - i'd it cracks me up mate, some of the stuff i hear would make your nuts shrivel, and want to cry, most of em have parents who are drug addicts or violent, most of them are smoking, drinking, taking drugs, fighting and shagging by the age of 13, boys and girls)

 

Like I said earlier, I don't care whether they wear the Veil or not. It's a pointless law to enforce as it's not going to stop them being Muslim, it's not going to make them more like us, it'll only create bigger problems.

 

I'd rather just see the majority of them shown the exit and sent back to where they would fit in more, so it's easier for the minority of them to fit in with the rest of us here.

 

Can I also add that I'm not one of these people who have just jumped on the Muslim bashing bandwagon. I've lived and had dealings with these people for the most part of my life and I've had the same opinion of the most of them before all this uproar about extremism and 9/11 and all that b*llocks.

 

You wont see me saying the same thing about any other group of people, but I truly believe that most of them would be better off else where and they are here only for money and take as much as what's worth anything to them from this country.

[Ideation 8,216]

 

I think maybe my view of our society is a bit twisted by what i do mate, and although i do it because i can help blah blah, i have to be honest and say its also because i can be flexible with my time and basicly hunt 4 or so days a week in winter.

 

Here's me thinking you're some sort of saint lol.

 

I think the thing with muslims, is that for the main parrt, it's just like anything else, most are very normal, not extreme at all, and think honour killings etc etc are as nuts as we do. But of course there are the nutters, that use the religion as a way of being a nasty wee b*****d, just like some do with christianity, or anything really. But those are the ones that tend to stick out and make you view the rest with suspicion.

 

What i mean is, the things you mentioned are not 'typical' for a muslim anymore than the stuff that the mormons do is typical for your average british christian.

 

I don't agree there mate. I'm not saying all of them are willing to slaughter their own kids for not doing as they want but you wont see too many protests against any of these medieval customs. The majority of them are willing to except that, that is the way it is for them, and couldn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks about it.

 

I found that a lot of the muslims i met who think women should cover it, its more a reaction to our society, at least in the area where i work, they see our society as pretty sick and sex obsessed, so its less about muslim men as much as our men they worry about. That make sense.

 

Don't agree there either I'm afraid. It's not only something they do over here is it, it's widely worn in their own countries as well, so it's nothing to do with how they see us. And like you said, if they do see us as being sick and sex obsessed then why come over here and breed like rabbits?

 

Also for many they reckon that its a way of talking to and being with a women without making her into a physical object, not literally raping her, but just seeing her as a sexy women, rather than just a person. And we all know how hard it is to keep your mind on the job with a hot girl working next to you.

 

You seriously believe that? Not seeing a woman as a physical object come on mate. By and large (traditionally) Muslim women are looked up on as being inferior to Men. Women are there to please men, to give him children, they're there for domestic use and not much else. So who looks at them as objects?

 

Muslim men pulling up alongside women is no rare thing either, I've seen car loads of them harassing girls in the past.

 

Now i know that the kids i see are at the bottem of the pile culture wise, but they are a growing group, we have a major problem with the kids of this country, they are spinning out of control, and we have several generations of it now. In my opinion we could maybe spend a bit more time worrying about what the f**k we are going to do about our kids than what another religion is wearing, truth is, i just dont car, aye its a bit mad, but whatever, so are bum-bags.

 

(p.s - i'd it cracks me up mate, some of the stuff i hear would make your nuts shrivel, and want to cry, most of em have parents who are drug addicts or violent, most of them are smoking, drinking, taking drugs, fighting and shagging by the age of 13, boys and girls)

 

Like I said earlier, I don't care whether they wear the Veil or not. It's a pointless law to enforce as it's not going to stop them being Muslim, it's not going to make them more like us, it'll only create bigger problems.

 

I'd rather just see the majority of them shown the exit and sent back to where they would fit in more, so it's easier for the minority of them to fit in with the rest of us here.

 

Can I also add that I'm not one of these people who have just jumped on the Muslim bashing bandwagon. I've lived and had dealings with these people for the most part of my life and I've had the same opinion of the most of them before all this uproar about extremism and 9/11 and all that b*llocks.

 

You wont see me saying the same thing about any other group of people, but I truly believe that most of them would be better off else where and they are here only for money and take as much as what's worth anything to them from this country.

 

 

You know what mate, i can't argue with much of that, it's your opinion and it's well thought through

 

Like i said, there is good and bad in everything, but maybe i'm just more tolerant to this kind of thing, than i am to others, and vice versa for yourself.

 

. . . and maybe i'm lucky i've just met a lot of really nice muslims, and in general have always been made to feel welcome by them both in their home countries and here.

 

At the end of the day any one of these threads is just one side of the story, our country is fecked, and no matter where you look there is something not right and it's difficult to point the blame of trace where the rot started.

 

And i am almost a saint, the kids at my school, both muslim and non, call me 'JESUS'.

[mossyh07 64]

I find these threads interesting, it really looks like all the 100% patriotic Brit hardmen are scared shitless by anyone who is different to them. How about once and for all you all stop mouthing, get your arse up out of the chair and do something about the problems rather that talking pure shite on here. If all he arguments you lads have against muslims and foreigners are good ones ye should have no problem rallying your great country and it's people to the common good and have such a majority that the Govt. will have no choice but to listen.

 

Coming on here complaining day after day is just making you out to be big bags of hot air.

 

 

So what do you want people to do then you prat....run out in the street stamping their feet and shouting ?.....unfortunately 100% patriotic Brits are few and far between these days most have been brainwashed with hippy bullshit and forced integration......so please dont take away just about the only thing we havent been stripped of....our right to have a moan and a whinge on the safety of the internet !

 

I don't think brainwashing and hippy ideals has anything to do with Brits being less patriotic. And i thought someone with your obviously high levels of intelligence would result to insults..

 

You might aswell face the facts that a Govt. voted in by the MAJORITY of the british people is what caused the influx of foreign immigrants(that you were only too happy to have working for ye when you could exploit them in your "empire").

 

They are there now and are going nowhere, they are entitled to benefits, healthcare, housing and whatever else the Govt may throw at them. Now grow a pair of balls and deal with it because it isn't going to stop! Couldn't happen to a nicer country imo.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

 

You know what mate, i can't argue with much of that, it's your opinion and it's well thought through

 

Like i said, there is good and bad in everything, but maybe i'm just more tolerant to this kind of thing, than i am to others, and vice versa for yourself.

 

. . . and maybe i'm lucky i've just met a lot of really nice muslims, and in general have always been made to feel welcome by them both in their home countries and here.

 

At the end of the day any one of these threads is just one side of the story, our country is fecked, and no matter where you look there is something not right and it's difficult to point the blame of trace where the rot started.

 

And i am almost a saint, the kids at my school, both muslim and non, call me 'JESUS'.

 

Are we the only ones who have been able to debate about this without calling each other names?

 

Cheers mate, it's good to talk.

 

Jesus LOL .

[twobob 1,497]

I find these threads interesting, it really looks like all the 100% patriotic Brit hardmen are scared shitless by anyone who is different to them. How about once and for all you all stop mouthing, get your arse up out of the chair and do something about the problems rather that talking pure shite on here. If all he arguments you lads have against muslims and foreigners are good ones ye should have no problem rallying your great country and it's people to the common good and have such a majority that the Govt. will have no choice but to listen.

 

Coming on here complaining day after day is just making you out to be big bags of hot air.

 

 

So what do you want people to do then you prat....run out in the street stamping their feet and shouting ?.....unfortunately 100% patriotic Brits are few and far between these days most have been brainwashed with hippy bullshit and forced integration......so please dont take away just about the only thing we havent been stripped of....our right to have a moan and a whinge on the safety of the internet !

 

I don't think brainwashing and hippy ideals has anything to do with Brits being less patriotic. And i thought someone with your obviously high levels of intelligence would result to insults..

 

You might aswell face the facts that a Govt. voted in by the MAJORITY of the british people is what caused the influx of foreign immigrants(that you were only too happy to have working for ye when you could exploit them in your "empire").

 

They are there now and are going nowhere, they are entitled to benefits, healthcare, housing and whatever else the Govt may throw at them. Now grow a pair of balls and deal with it because it isn't going to stop! Couldn't happen to a nicer country imo.

And the people you elected made such a good job of running your economy,you,ll be sending the bail out money back then?.

[mossyh07 64]

I find these threads interesting, it really looks like all the 100% patriotic Brit hardmen are scared shitless by anyone who is different to them. How about once and for all you all stop mouthing, get your arse up out of the chair and do something about the problems rather that talking pure shite on here. If all he arguments you lads have against muslims and foreigners are good ones ye should have no problem rallying your great country and it's people to the common good and have such a majority that the Govt. will have no choice but to listen.

 

Coming on here complaining day after day is just making you out to be big bags of hot air.

 

 

So what do you want people to do then you prat....run out in the street stamping their feet and shouting ?.....unfortunately 100% patriotic Brits are few and far between these days most have been brainwashed with hippy bullshit and forced integration......so please dont take away just about the only thing we havent been stripped of....our right to have a moan and a whinge on the safety of the internet !

 

I don't think brainwashing and hippy ideals has anything to do with Brits being less patriotic. And i thought someone with your obviously high levels of intelligence would result to insults..

 

You might aswell face the facts that a Govt. voted in by the MAJORITY of the british people is what caused the influx of foreign immigrants(that you were only too happy to have working for ye when you could exploit them in your "empire").

 

They are there now and are going nowhere, they are entitled to benefits, healthcare, housing and whatever else the Govt may throw at them. Now grow a pair of balls and deal with it because it isn't going to stop! Couldn't happen to a nicer country imo.

And the people you elected made such a good job of running your economy,you,ll be sending the bail out money back then?.

 

Oh I see now your going to make this about the Irish Govt. very clever twobob change the subject when you have no anti-muslim or anti immigration bullshit to talk, makes a nice change from you though i must say.

 

And the bail-out money, let's just say i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

 

[shepp 2,285]

I find these threads interesting, it really looks like all the 100% patriotic Brit hardmen are scared shitless by anyone who is different to them. How about once and for all you all stop mouthing, get your arse up out of the chair and do something about the problems rather that talking pure shite on here. If all he arguments you lads have against muslims and foreigners are good ones ye should have no problem rallying your great country and it's people to the common good and have such a majority that the Govt. will have no choice but to listen.

 

Coming on here complaining day after day is just making you out to be big bags of hot air.

 

 

So what do you want people to do then you prat....run out in the street stamping their feet and shouting ?.....unfortunately 100% patriotic Brits are few and far between these days most have been brainwashed with hippy bullshit and forced integration......so please dont take away just about the only thing we havent been stripped of....our right to have a moan and a whinge on the safety of the internet !

 

I don't think brainwashing and hippy ideals has anything to do with Brits being less patriotic. And i thought someone with your obviously high levels of intelligence would result to insults..

 

You might aswell face the facts that a Govt. voted in by the MAJORITY of the british people is what caused the influx of foreign immigrants(that you were only too happy to have working for ye when you could exploit them in your "empire").

 

They are there now and are going nowhere, they are entitled to benefits, healthcare, housing and whatever else the Govt may throw at them. Now grow a pair of balls and deal with it because it isn't going to stop! Couldn't happen to a nicer country imo.

And the people you elected made such a good job of running your economy,you,ll be sending the bail out money back then?.

 

Oh I see now your going to make this about the Irish Govt. very clever twobob change the subject when you have no anti-muslim or anti immigration bullshit to talk, makes a nice change from you though i must say.

 

And the bail-out money, let's just say i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

 

 

The bail out money's not a problem, we borrowed it at a cheaper rate than the one you pay us at, so we're making a bit on the deal.