shepp 2,285 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Brilliant nothing like a big f**k you to the Catholic church and all those nuns Do nuns wear a veil then? The scarfe doesn't bother me but the full black sheet over the head I find offensive, to me it says " I'm here, I will use any of the the things this society has to offer but I will isolate myself from the rest of the population" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scalesntails 118 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) Brilliant nothing like a big f**k you to the Catholic church and all those nuns Do nuns wear a veil then? The scarfe doesn't bother me but the full black sheet over the head I find offensive, to me it says " I'm here, I will use any of the the things this society has to offer but I will isolate myself from the rest of the population" Nuns wear a head covering but it does show their face. Most Muslims head covering shows their face too. It is only the small minority of a minority that completely covet their faces but all of these head coverings are banned in France. The only reason the French banned head coverings was it made it difficult for them to spy on their citizens via CCTV. It had nothing to do with cultural or religious reasons. I believe people should be free to wear what they want but apparently some or all of these muslim women are forced to wear this. I think they should be free to wear it if it is 100% their choice but at the same time something needs to be done to stop anyone being forced to dress or behave in a way that they don't want to. There may be security concerns but somehow I doubt whether suicide bombers care if anyone sees their face. I pretty much agree with everything you said Shepp but I find fat people offensive too but I have to just accept they aren't going away in my lifetime especially as I am a fat b*****d myself. Edited April 11, 2011 by scalesntails Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginga john 268 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Vive la revolution, vive la france :gunsmilie: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 If they don't like it they always have the option to LEAVE spot on hope they do it here !! Dam right and any new immigrants that come here should sign a contract saying that as long as they stay they should adhere to our laws and traditions ..in fact fook it make them become christian or catholic before they come here to live Thats a bit strong, enforcing people that live here to be christian. Im as English as you will ever find, infact my family tree doesnt stray far from lincolnshire in the past 400 yrs that I know of but bollocks if im ever going to believe in a god, christian or otherwise. So why enforce imigrants to? Just give em one warning and one warning only; cause any shit, disrespect OUR culture and traditions and your out, one fecking chance or your on the next plane back to where ever the f**k you came from. I thought about it being harsh and nearly said yes it is ...But it isn't why would you want to live in a christian country if its the antithesiss of what you belive ..and if you seriously wanted to live here you would do it ..simple as Fair point, but then I suppose that applies to a huge percentage of the native English population, me included. I just dont see the point in making immigrants convert to christianity when its religion thats the problem in the first place. Get them to swear eligeance to Queen and country but not daft religious beliefes. Religion should be taken completely out of the equation here. If someone wants to prey to a god called allah, let em, but if they want to cause harm to this country or its citizens then they should suffer the consiquences! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scalesntails 118 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 If they don't like it they always have the option to LEAVE spot on hope they do it here !! Dam right and any new immigrants that come here should sign a contract saying that as long as they stay they should adhere to our laws and traditions ..in fact fook it make them become christian or catholic before they come here to live Thats a bit strong, enforcing people that live here to be christian. Im as English as you will ever find, infact my family tree doesnt stray far from lincolnshire in the past 400 yrs that I know of but bollocks if im ever going to believe in a god, christian or otherwise. So why enforce imigrants to? Just give em one warning and one warning only; cause any shit, disrespect OUR culture and traditions and your out, one fecking chance or your on the next plane back to where ever the f**k you came from. I thought about it being harsh and nearly said yes it is ...But it isn't why would you want to live in a christian country if its the antithesiss of what you belive ..and if you seriously wanted to live here you would do it ..simple as Fair point, but then I suppose that applies to a huge percentage of the native English population, me included. I just dont see the point in making immigrants convert to christianity when its religion thats the problem in the first place. Get them to swear eligeance to Queen and country but not daft religious beliefes. Religion should be taken completely out of the equation here. If someone wants to prey to a god called allah, let em, but if they want to cause harm to this country or its citizens then they should suffer the consiquences! I think the big problem in this country is a lack of a constitution that lays out the rights of our citizens and our culture. Immigrants would then have to sign up to follow this constitution and it would also let us know what rights we have and that they are forever protected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,248 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 If they don't like it they always have the option to LEAVE spot on hope they do it here !! Dam right and any new immigrants that come here should sign a contract saying that as long as they stay they should adhere to our laws and traditions ..in fact fook it make them become christian or catholic before they come here to live our laws and traditions yes im english and im not either a christan or a catholic or any religion,,, never been christaned or babtiesd im aithiest ,,, so how would your idea aply to me??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,169 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 I wonder if this ban applies to weddings or pigeon shooting?.............lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steveS.Yorks 161 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Catholosism is a Christian religion,catholics and christians are the same really,they just have slightly different versions of the same mumbo jumbo. Just to clear that up The full face covering is'nt a religious requirement for muslim women,all the quran says is women must dress modestly and cover their hair,or thats what a devout muslim told me? Women wear it here to promote radical islam,women in muslim countries wear it because muslim men are not held responsible for their own sexual predation against women,in other words if a muslim man rapes a woman because he could see her hair its perfectly alright because she tempted him,so better to dress them in mobile tents. One of the highest religious men in Iran has called for women to only show one eye,he says "a man could find the sight of 2 eyes a great temptation" They wont ban it here,spineless. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
k99yle 53 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 We don't have many rights anymore. The Labour government took them off us when they were last in power. They also introduced 2000 more laws, rules and regulations. Look up a documentary called taking liberty's. Very scary!!!! If they don't like it they always have the option to LEAVE spot on hope they do it here !! Dam right and any new immigrants that come here should sign a contract saying that as long as they stay they should adhere to our laws and traditions ..in fact fook it make them become christian or catholic before they come here to live Thats a bit strong, enforcing people that live here to be christian. Im as English as you will ever find, infact my family tree doesnt stray far from lincolnshire in the past 400 yrs that I know of but bollocks if im ever going to believe in a god, christian or otherwise. So why enforce imigrants to? Just give em one warning and one warning only; cause any shit, disrespect OUR culture and traditions and your out, one fecking chance or your on the next plane back to where ever the f**k you came from. I thought about it being harsh and nearly said yes it is ...But it isn't why would you want to live in a christian country if its the antithesiss of what you belive ..and if you seriously wanted to live here you would do it ..simple as Fair point, but then I suppose that applies to a huge percentage of the native English population, me included. I just dont see the point in making immigrants convert to christianity when its religion thats the problem in the first place. Get them to swear eligeance to Queen and country but not daft religious beliefes. Religion should be taken completely out of the equation here. If someone wants to prey to a god called allah, let em, but if they want to cause harm to this country or its citizens then they should suffer the consiquences! I think the big problem in this country is a lack of a constitution that lays out the rights of our citizens and our culture. Immigrants would then have to sign up to follow this constitution and it would also let us know what rights we have and that they are forever protected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superfurryanimal 91 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 these men who make they're women go out in a veil have no place in our country ! it's what gets up people's noses of this country when men like my grand father who was in the desert rats fought for us ! well done the french ! if it's such a problem then why don't they go and wear they're chosen clothes in they're own country ? if britain is such a place where they feel safe and secure then they should all go back and make they're own country the place where they can express them selfs ! i'm fed up of all this ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 I'm all for anything that pisses them off, by "them" I mean any fu.cka who contols females of any nationality in any way Aye and is banning it not controlling some females in some way - i.e their freedom to dress how they like. Double edged sword that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,165 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) I believe people should be free to wear what they want but apparently some or all of these muslim women are forced to wear this. I think they should be free to wear it if it is 100% their choice but at the same time something needs to be done to stop anyone being forced to dress or behave in a way that they don't want to. There may be security concerns but somehow I doubt whether suicide bombers care if anyone sees their face. I pretty much agree with everything you said Shepp but I find fat people offensive too but I have to just accept they aren't going away in my lifetime especially as I am a fat b*****d myself. You say that but what about common courtesy to your fellow human being...im f****d if i would even enter into a conversation with a person in front of me i cant see !!....Its nothing to do with offensive its to do with basic respect for where these people have chosen to live their lives....if they cant fit into the English way of life in England then its not difficult to realise what they they should do. I think the French have done the right thing,whether they actually enforce it though is another matter....and the first time they dont enforce it they just make themself look foolish....we wouldnt have the bollocks to do it here we would be too scared of offending them,after all its anything go,s here we are the dustbin of the world ! Edited April 11, 2011 by gnasher16 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scalesntails 118 Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 I believe people should be free to wear what they want but apparently some or all of these muslim women are forced to wear this. I think they should be free to wear it if it is 100% their choice but at the same time something needs to be done to stop anyone being forced to dress or behave in a way that they don't want to. There may be security concerns but somehow I doubt whether suicide bombers care if anyone sees their face. I pretty much agree with everything you said Shepp but I find fat people offensive too but I have to just accept they aren't going away in my lifetime especially as I am a fat b*****d myself. You say that but what about common courtesy to your fellow human being...im f****d if i would even enter into a conversation with a person in front of me i cant see !!....Its nothing to do with offensive its to do with basic respect for where these people have chosen to live their lives....if they cant fit into the English way of life in England then its not difficult to realise what they they should do. I think the French have done the right thing,whether they actually enforce it though is another matter....and the first time they dont enforce it they just make themself look foolish....we wouldnt have the bollocks to do it here we would be too scared of offending them,after all its anything go,s here we are the dustbin of the world ! I love your posts Gnasher as you always get straight to the point and express you opinion really well. We may disagree but at least you have thought out your opinion rather than just jumping on the bandwagon. You make me want to agree with you :tongue2: Its bloody annoying talking to someone in sunglasses which kind of amounts to same thing. What we need is some kind of written constitution so everyone knows where they stand. Like the Americans have had for 100s of years. Things like freedom of religion, freedom to say whatever we like no matter who it offends and other parts that protect our countrys culture and heritage. Anyone visiting or emigrating to the UK will then have to agree to abide by the constitution that way we can remove anyone that doesn't mix in without it being racist. It would just be breach of contract. It would also stop governments like Labour removing all our rights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 freedom of speech and expression should be the cornerstone of our society imo France is no better than any other repressive Islamic country imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think it should be banned over here because its no different than other items of clothing which society tend to dislike. I find it crazy that men can't look at good looking women and not want to rape them? I say scrap all religion and just have the idea...dont do anything to anyone you wouldnt like done to you. Wont ever happen but think the world would be a better place. If you come to our country you should have something to benefit us. If your here you should follow our ways that doesnt mean go to church because lets face it how many really do so......by all means be a muslim but dont try to change us kind of thing...can pretty much see a major cival war happening because to many are scared to offended and one day I think the country will just snap. If i was a muslim I would be very much seen in public with other muslims attacking those who openly preach hate and make most think they are all the same...the fact that I dont see that is quite worrying.... Abit of subject but would love to see john lydon do a muslim version of this classic.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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