two lads lamping

[Karpman 44]

I apologise for being a bit harsh.

 

The fosters got the better of me.

 

our sport has enough bad press without people highlighting some of the Moore unsavory things.

 

Karpman

[Karpman 44]

Sorry paul. My over the top post was not aimed at you at all mate.

 

As for your Inital post I just think the Subject matter was a little inappropriate, they were breakers there weapon of choice is of little incidence.

 

My post was aimed at ideation, seems to me the fella has nothing better to do than hang around here and make us looked.

 

Karpman

[Tom21 0]

go steady karpman , the guy is from sarf wales and that could explain his stupidity

 

i beg your pardon! im from south wales and resent that comment

[Ideation 8,216]

I think the only points you can take from it - is that it is really worrying that ANYONE can go out and buy a firearm capable of killing from a shop with no licence, training or skill, and that lamping with a rifle is also (half the time due to the shooter) f*****g lethal.

 

I do wonder what your motives are for hanging around here blessing us with your wisdom.

 

Out spoken hypocrite with a dislike for air rifles. trolling is all I guess.

 

Boredom or some f****n one man army to get legislation on air weapons tightened?

 

Karpman

 

 

Alright sunshine. SOrry was i not invited into your private members club. . . . oh wait, no sorry this IS still an open forum.

 

I spend time in this section because i like to read the write ups and posts from some of the VERY knowledgeable, and very skilled folk

 

I don't have a dislike of air rifles, i own 3. What i have a dislike of is idiots, and more to the point, idiots wandering around with potentially lethal fire arms (this is NOT me suggesting that any air rifle hunter is an idiot before you chuck your toys oot the pram).

 

And i'm sorry but if you truly are someone who enjoys using your air rifle as a legitimate hunting / pest control tool, then you to should see the need to put a bit of a check on who can own and use one, given the huge improvements and advancements that they have under gone. Surely this would be a good step to legitimize the air rifle. And i think what will get air rifle legislation tightened right up, way quicker than a post i do on THL, will be when someone gets finally fed up with another chav shooting another kid, or something similar.

 

I would be really interested to know what the motivations of those that wish to keep air rifles in the 'toy' category rather than 'weapon' category really are?

 

It is equally concerning that the only check that they do when issuing a SGS or FAC is that you have not committed and past crimes and are theoretically not a danger to humans. Your attitude and aptitude at using the weapon efficiently, sensibly and most of all humanly is not called into question.

 

And to john5 - "Go f**k yourself sunshine".

[Ideation 8,216]

I think the only points you can take from it - is that it is really worrying that ANYONE can go out and buy a firearm capable of killing from a shop with no licence, training or skill, and that lamping with a rifle is also (half the time due to the shooter) f*****g lethal.

 

 

he never mentioned killing anything from a shop with no licence , what the feck you lots taking because it must be strong stuff

 

 

. . . . . and it's interesting that you call me retarded, when you obviously struggle to read.

[andyfr1968 772]

You've a good point, Ideation but making something more illegal than it already is won't really change anything, will it? Did murdering someone with a hand gun become any more wrong after they were banned? No it didn't...

 

The two muppets in the OP's first post were already on the wrong side of the law and as I put in my earlier reply, it's by no means exclusive to airguns by a long way. All the legislation in the world won't stop someone if they're that way out.

 

Also as you've said in your reply regarding SGC and FAC applications, plod only look so far in to the applicant's history which in a way kind of makes a bit on a nonsence of having a licence in the first place, don't you think?

 

I don't know what the answer is to stop idiots getting their hands on any kind of gun but the fact is there's so many guns of ALL kinds out there that any kind of further legislation is a little after the fact, IMO. Stupid is as stupid does....

 

Cheers

[Ideation 8,216]

Cheers for replying in a civil manner, rather than assuming that if i am not over whelmingly gushing in my positivity, then i must be a 'wrong un'.

 

I know what your saying about the nature of illegality, being illegal does not stop something happening (rightly or wrongly), and as you sau there are plenty of folk shot dead with had guns despite them being illegal etc.

 

However my argument is more from the point that, without any kind of licensing, many folk see air rifles as a kind of toy, a cool toy, but a toy. The kind of parents that buy 'little wayne' an air rifle and let him go off terrorizing the area, may well do the same with a shot gun etc, but lets face it they cannot (thank god).

 

To end up with an air rifle doesnt take much effort, much time, or much thought, just a few hundred quid.

 

Your right, the country is full of illegal guns, and making tighter licensing wont stop this, but the country is also full of legal guns owned by folk who should not.

 

I just think that something needs doing on both fronts. Firstly making air rifles seen as a 'fire arm', not a toy to buy and hand to your kids with no thought, or something to buy so that you and your mates can drink cans of stella and have some fun blasting stuff. And secondly introducing a german style hunting license where is you want a gun (rifle, shotgun) you need to prove you can use it accurately and humanly.

 

At the end of the day i'm fairly anti-establishment and break my fair share of laws, and am glad i was allowed out of the house as a child heavily armed, but these days, when it comes to guns, theres no room for f*****g about.

[andyfr1968 772]

I agree, mate but it's more down to folks attitudes than it is to do with the law.

 

I for one would have no problem at all with some kind of licencing for airguns but I feel it would be an impossible law to impliment. Only the legitimate users would apply for the licence and the idiots would continue to beak the laws anyway....

[77 si 21]

I also have air guns, but I also have permissions, where i use cammo, other shooters have villa shirts, thats up to them, Get Permission, to shoot like the rest of us, and the footpath is on the other side of the field, to the right of me, the field is rated by the fao, as 308 . it has plenty of backstops for safe shooting, if you know how to shoot and why, and when. It could have been any football shirt, I couldnt give a dam, GET PERMISSION TO SHOOT. End of.

 

Easy tiger

Edited April 10, 2011 by 77 si

[Ideation 8,216]

I agree, mate but it's more down to folks attitudes than it is to do with the law.

 

I for one would have no problem at all with some kind of licencing for airguns but I feel it would be an impossible law to impliment. Only the legitimate users would apply for the licence and the idiots would continue to beak the laws anyway....

 

 

I know what your saying mate, but i think in this case, the law effects peoples attitudes towards the weapon.

 

I think a lot of the folk are not even idiots, just ignorant and a bit foolish.

 

All the gear, no idea, and dangerous with it.

[Karpman 44]

I agree, mate but it's more down to folks attitudes than it is to do with the law.

 

I for one would have no problem at all with some kind of licencing for airguns but I feel it would be an impossible law to impliment. Only the legitimate users would apply for the licence and the idiots would continue to beak the laws anyway....

 

 

I know what your saying mate, but i think in this case, the law effects peoples attitudes towards the weapon.

 

I think a lot of the folk are not even idiots, just ignorant and a bit foolish.

 

All the gear, no idea, and dangerous with it.

 

I understand what you saying, I'm not as prone to outburst as one may think You are obviously very passionate about your beliefs as am I.

 

Just for the record I a Sgc fairly clean criminal record. I like the liberation that comes with an air rifle I can if I choose shoot in my garden at work and any other place I have permission and it's safe to do so, Licensing will only make this tighter and won't stop to many more prats having guns unfortunately. Not work with Shotguns, I know of a good few prats with them lol :wallbash:

 

I try to stay positive about all hunting an outdoor pursuits, Negativity just plays to the anti's United we stand and that C*ap, There is indeed certain things I don't like but I support them all same.

 

As for the lethality of air guns I think your are going a little over the top. Yeah they are capable of killing human but the chances are probably rather small, In the right hands they are a lethal weapon for taking quarry at sensible ranges.

 

I fully Intend to teach my children to learn and respect weapons of all kinds and to shoot, With luck they will even take interest in other outdoor pursuits. I currently use my S200 for pot filling, It has so far took 14 pigeon, 2 Squirrel and 1 Rabbit. All legally taken under the terms of a general license, Some have even been took wearing my read overalls. That make me a poor hunter? Idiots with Guns, Idiots With dogs, Idiots with Knifes. There still Idiots :wallbash:.

 

Karpman

 

P.s Pm on it's way to you ideation