pure strains of bedlington

[matulkoh 66]

all KC furrball bedlingtons should be shot along with there owners all a bunch of tossers

 

who ll take my dogs if i d be shot mate. goodpoint

 

[Rory4 267]

the working bedlington site is place to see proper working beddies. few of the lads ive been out with work them hard week in week out. need more people trying to save the breed as proper worker. ive got my name down for beddy bitch due in summer out of the proper , fingers x the litter works out

[Shamo 319]

Well it depends what you want the word 'pure' to mean, been debated many, many times. There are very, very few, IF ANY so called 'pure' Bedlingtons around which work to ground. Stuart Staleys dog Rambo was used for Lurcher breeding too and to cross with other strains of Terrier. Used on top a lot but also went into some Fox Earths on occasion. George Newcombe told me himself he crossed his stuff with Lakeland and one of his Studs was in fact a Lakeland Terrier. He also told me they were bred to be very hard and explained that if one came out you can be sure the Fox is dead and you can move on. He said he would never knowingly sell one to a guy who dug Badgers, because it would be cruel and the dogs would die trying to kill the Badger, by the time you got to it. He did keep them 'uniformed' onto the basic shape of a Bedlington, but on a lot of occasions the Sire and Dam of a Litter had non Bedlington blood in it. So that is what causes the heated debates and why a Bedlington Board was started up.....

[shotgun tim 27]

i had a kc show 1 a few years back it was useless until 18months old then it was like switching a cwitch on it was a good worker + it went to ground

[steveS.Yorks 161]

Well it depends what you want the word 'pure' to mean, been debated many, many times. There are very, very few, IF ANY so called 'pure' Bedlingtons around which work to ground. Stuart Staleys dog Rambo was used for Lurcher breeding too and to cross with other strains of Terrier. Used on top a lot but also went into some Fox Earths on occasion. George Newcombe told me himself he crossed his stuff with Lakeland and one of his Studs was in fact a Lakeland Terrier. He also told me they were bred to be very hard and explained that if one came out you can be sure the Fox is dead and you can move on. He said he would never knowingly sell one to a guy who dug Badgers, because it would be cruel and the dogs would die trying to kill the Badger, by the time you got to it. He did keep them 'uniformed' onto the basic shape of a Bedlington, but on a lot of occasions the Sire and Dam of a Litter had non Bedlington blood in it. So that is what causes the heated debates and why a Bedlington Board was started up.....

 

A lot of the arguments could be settled by DNA testing [£60 a dog im told] but nobody seems to want the real truth?

 

And if you x Beddy with Lakie and produce workers,which dog deserves the credit? snobbery mate,and worse barefaced lies.

 

A mate bought a beddy from G.Newcombe in the 's,good little bitch to ground,he [George] openly told my mate he was using Lakie blood to Improve his Bedlintons,he also said he was struggling to find the right type of Lakeland blood he wanted.

[Elmer Fudd 2011 39]

all KC furrball bedlingtons should be shot along with there owners all a bunch of tossers

well said mate in all keep away from most kc dogs

[Shamo 319]

Well it depends what you want the word 'pure' to mean, been debated many, many times. There are very, very few, IF ANY so called 'pure' Bedlingtons around which work to ground. Stuart Staleys dog Rambo was used for Lurcher breeding too and to cross with other strains of Terrier. Used on top a lot but also went into some Fox Earths on occasion. George Newcombe told me himself he crossed his stuff with Lakeland and one of his Studs was in fact a Lakeland Terrier. He also told me they were bred to be very hard and explained that if one came out you can be sure the Fox is dead and you can move on. He said he would never knowingly sell one to a guy who dug Badgers, because it would be cruel and the dogs would die trying to kill the Badger, by the time you got to it. He did keep them 'uniformed' onto the basic shape of a Bedlington, but on a lot of occasions the Sire and Dam of a Litter had non Bedlington blood in it. So that is what causes the heated debates and why a Bedlington Board was started up.....

 

A lot of the arguments could be settled by DNA testing [£60 a dog im told] but nobody seems to want the real truth?

 

And if you x Beddy with Lakie and produce workers,which dog deserves the credit? snobbery mate,and worse barefaced lies.

 

A mate bought a beddy from G.Newcombe in the 's,good little bitch to ground,he [George] openly told my mate he was using Lakie blood to Improve his Bedlintons,he also said he was struggling to find the right type of Lakeland blood he wanted.

 

I wanted to buy a pair from him in the 's, from the same Sire and two different Dams (so he told me). I figured I would give them a go, supposedly pretty hard type. We got chatting and got into what, where, why and when etc and I declined buying the two youngsters. He, in his defence, said they would not suit my chosen prey and they would either get killed or jib. He then said I couldn't have them anyway........mumbling old northern nancy!...only joking,lol. R.I.P. George.

[Panna 68]

A lot of the arguments could be settled by DNA testing [£60 a dog im told] but nobody seems to want the real truth?

 

Not sure mate, but DNA testing can only proove the parents and siblings. And this is only IF both parents (and siblings) are also DNA tested.

So in my understanding £60 will not tell you the whole history of the dog at all. Actually it does not make anything if you only DNA test the dog itself. Another £60/dog to see if the parenst and siblings are really who they are told/written to be. And so on and so on.

 

 

YIS,

[Panna 68]

all KC furrball bedlingtons should be shot along with there owners all a bunch of tossers

 

who ll take my dogs if i d be shot mate. goodpoint

 

 

I'm sure mate, there would be some people standing in the line to have a dog off you!

 

 

YIS,

[steveS.Yorks 161]

Well it depends what you want the word 'pure' to mean, been debated many, many times. There are very, very few, IF ANY so called 'pure' Bedlingtons around which work to ground. Stuart Staleys dog Rambo was used for Lurcher breeding too and to cross with other strains of Terrier. Used on top a lot but also went into some Fox Earths on occasion. George Newcombe told me himself he crossed his stuff with Lakeland and one of his Studs was in fact a Lakeland Terrier. He also told me they were bred to be very hard and explained that if one came out you can be sure the Fox is dead and you can move on. He said he would never knowingly sell one to a guy who dug Badgers, because it would be cruel and the dogs would die trying to kill the Badger, by the time you got to it. He did keep them 'uniformed' onto the basic shape of a Bedlington, but on a lot of occasions the Sire and Dam of a Litter had non Bedlington blood in it. So that is what causes the heated debates and why a Bedlington Board was started up.....

 

A lot of the arguments could be settled by DNA testing [£60 a dog im told] but nobody seems to want the real truth?

 

And if you x Beddy with Lakie and produce workers,which dog deserves the credit? snobbery mate,and worse barefaced lies.

 

A mate bought a beddy from G.Newcombe in the 's,good little bitch to ground,he [George] openly told my mate he was using Lakie blood to Improve his Bedlintons,he also said he was struggling to find the right type of Lakeland blood he wanted.

 

I wanted to buy a pair from him in the 's, from the same Sire and two different Dams (so he told me). I figured I would give them a go, supposedly pretty hard type. We got chatting and got into what, where, why and when etc and I declined buying the two youngsters. He, in his defence, said they would not suit my chosen prey and they would either get killed or jib. He then said I couldn't have them anyway........mumbling old northern nancy!...only joking,lol. R.I.P. George.

 

The bitch in question was a fair worker,vacant though,and i saw her do some pretty stupid things really,but not what i would call "hard" or at least up to when i last dug to her,after the owners marriage broke down she was boarded with a "mate" who basically just sold her on.

 

I heard the new owners did quite a bit with her down south,and she produced some useful workers,but i dont have much info other than that.

 

ps she was very vocal and i would "imagine" could be very useful on any quarry?

[steveS.Yorks 161]

A lot of the arguments could be settled by DNA testing [£60 a dog im told] but nobody seems to want the real truth?

 

Not sure mate, but DNA testing can only proove the parents and siblings. And this is only IF both parents (and siblings) are also DNA tested.

So in my understanding £60 will not tell you the whole history of the dog at all. Actually it does not make anything if you only DNA test the dog itself. Another £60/dog to see if the parenst and siblings are really who they are told/written to be. And so on and so on.

 

 

YIS,

 

Hi Panna,

 

I only know what ive been told about DNA testing by a mate,supposedly you can seperate the genes in dogs and identify different types in their makeup,eg if KC bedlingtons contained Poodle or whippet you would be able to find it in the test?

 

I heard someone tested a lurcher out of Plummers dogs and found Saluki,something he allways denied? Maybe its bulls..t i dont really know,but if possible it would stop some of the stupid arguing?

[Water Badger 26]

all KC furrball bedlingtons should be shot along with there owners all a bunch of tossers

 

who ll take my dogs if i d be shot mate. goodpoint

 

they look like quality dogs not afraid of some graft

Edited April 8, 2011 by Water Badger

[matulkoh 66]

all KC furrball bedlingtons should be shot along with there owners all a bunch of tossers

 

who ll take my dogs if i d be shot mate. goodpoint

 

they look like quality dogs not afraid of some graft

 

the black one is just youngster 7 months old but has all interest in all quarries. the white one is well tested on foxes, badgers, boars.... i ll be surprised if you can find such a game dog. never quit single fight though he was hardly injured. but this is not place where to put certain pics. white is KC stock black one is from my friend from UK worker to worker.

 

if you wnt KCstock put the name down i ll have pups if you dont get in touch with Topper, Mikey...they got the real workers.

Edited April 9, 2011 by matulkoh

[p3d 879]

all KC furrball bedlingtons should be shot along with there owners all a bunch of tossers

 

who ll take my dogs if i d be shot mate. goodpoint

 

they look like quality dogs not afraid of some graft

 

the black one is just youngster 7 months old but has all interest in all quarries. the white one is well tested on foxes, badgers, boars.... i ll be surprised if you can find such a game dog. never quit single fight though he was hardly injured. but this is not place where to put certain pics. white is KC stock black one is from my friend from UK worker to worker.

 

if you wnt KCstock put the name down i ll have pups if you dont get in touch with Topper, Mikey...they got the real workers.

 

Matulkoh,

Glad to see your dogs are working hard for you.

 

Below is an old photograph of Joseph Aynsley, the guy who named these dogs "Bedlington Terriers" in 1825.

The guy must be in his 's in this photo, so the year is probably around 1875.

He would have been breeding them for at least 50 years at this stage.

Do you think that the dogs in front of him are representative of the terrier he was breeding?

Note the width of the head and chest on the dog on the right!!

IMO breeders can cross KC/Working dogs with any other breed they choose.

But to call them Bedlington's may be stretching reality a bit.

I am not having a go at the "Bedlington" breeders, The "Patterdale" name is just as crazy to me.

 

Just a question out of interest,when you trim all the hair off your dogs, do you also trim off the whiskers?

The reason I ask is I believe the whiskers offer a dog an extra sense below ground.

YIS

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Has anyone done any good with Granitor bred dogs? It would be interesting to here peoples findings on these work wise?