Hard terrier?

["Earth!" 503]

I know that isnt real terrier work, but the thing is I work my terriers with my lurcher through the day - hence needing a bushing dog, basically I want a good allrounder if there is such a thing! Mines good but just a bit soft in that she's not great at working cover.. I see what you mean about getting one that won't go to ground though as it would be a pain

 

Get a plummer then mrs

[patterdale666 1,620]

If you look around you will find a decent Russell or even consider a Beagle X Russell from working stock

I have seen afew that work cover really well.

But sure good luck whatever you decide

[lurcherterrierferret 2]

If you look around you will find a decent Russell or even consider a Beagle X Russell from working stock

I have seen afew that work cover really well.

But sure good luck whatever you decide

Thanks mate, never thought of the beagle cross

[mickyatch 37]

i would go for a plummer mate tbh

["Earth!" 503]

If you look around you will find a decent Russell or even consider a Beagle X Russell from working stock

I have seen afew that work cover really well.

But sure good luck whatever you decide

 

Plummers have beagle blood

[patterdale666 1,620]

If you look around you will find a decent Russell or even consider a Beagle X Russell from working stock

I have seen afew that work cover really well.

But sure good luck whatever you decide

 

Plummers have beagle blood

 

Well that sorts his problem then

If you have a litter of them on the way let him know

he mite take them off your hands

[Terrier Sam 297]

I have a 2 1/2 year old russell bitch and I was in the same sort of situation as you LTF - had a great bushing and ratting dog and then got into foxing. She goes down on foxes but stands too far back from the fox to even get them to bolt so I got a patterdale pup. She's 5 months now and you can deffinately tell the difference. Shes much more hard headed and strong willed. Perfect for what foxes but not so much for bushing out. I honestly don't think you will every find a perfect all round terrier for everything hence the reason most terrier lads don't just have 1 dog - they're all different.

 

Also, the problem I found with my russell, after I started working her on foxes (and she realised that she found it enjoyable) is that I can be out bushing of ratting with her but if she finds a fox hole she goes straight down, sometimes without me knowing.

 

My advice is to decide what you want. In theory, to have a dog that's great on rabbits, rats, bushing out and foxes is great...........

 

Sam

["Earth!" 503]

If you look around you will find a decent Russell or even consider a Beagle X Russell from working stock

I have seen afew that work cover really well.

But sure good luck whatever you decide

 

Plummers have beagle blood

 

Well that sorts his problem then

If you have a litter of them on the way let him know

he mite take them off your hands

Cheeky twat how dare you accuse me of keeping Kunting plummer waanking terriers!!!

 

some of us choose to work terriers to ground!

 

Kunting plummers, i fuccking dare you, that offends me!

[Tomm Parr 30]

Lots of blokes said 'get a plummer' if she wants a bushing terrier that won't go to ground. Which seems to make sense as Plummers aren't supposed to be keen on going under.

 

However... I've a Plummer-x-Russell and when he is supposed to be bushing, he always tries to sneak down holes. I know lots of chaps want that but foxes have never really interested me, so it is a pain in the neck when the dog tries to disappear.

 

Maybe get a plummer-x-russell cross? Or failing that you can borrow mine!

[patterdale666 1,620]

If you look around you will find a decent Russell or even consider a Beagle X Russell from working stock

I have seen afew that work cover really well.

But sure good luck whatever you decide

 

Plummers have beagle blood

 

Well that sorts his problem then

If you have a litter of them on the way let him know

he mite take them off your hands

Cheeky twat how dare you accuse me of keeping Kunting plummer waanking terriers!!!

 

some of us choose to work terriers to ground!

 

Kunting plummers, i fuccking dare you, that offends me!

 

My apologies mate i thought it was a sales pitch

only havin the craic no need to loose the head

[superfurryanimal 91]

Stick to a plummer. The breed is as good as useless anyway and leave the blacks to the proper terrier lads

[big fella 13]

keep goin with your bushing team pal but i think you should get a black dog and try your hand at a bit of diggin you might get into it

[lurcherterrierferret 2]

keep goin with your bushing team pal but i think you should get a black dog and try your hand at a bit of diggin you might get into it

Thanks mate that's what I was hoping to do to be honest I think once my jrt got a taste for it she'd be good too, though to be honest I haven't come accross many round here, see plenty of foxes i must just be lookin in the wrong places for the dens!!

[skycat 6,173]

I think the misunderstandings on your thread have been because you were asking for a 'hard' terrier. Do you really want a dog which goes to ground and kills? Do you really want to be patching up a hard terrier each time it goes to ground? One, which after a while, you might not want to be seen out in public with? Of course not all black dogs are that hard, but they were originally bred to kill down. They are not generally sold as bushing dogs, and whilst some do work cover well, they are more interested in earth work.

 

Why not try and find someone who can show you what a hard terrier does? That might help you make your mind up about them. And would you be equipped to dig out such a terrier if it went to ground in a bad place? Because one thing's for sure: it's not going to come out if you call it nicely, or otherwise, until it has done its job or died trying.

[lurcherterrierferret 2]

I think the misunderstandings on your thread have been because you were asking for a 'hard' terrier. Do you really want a dog which goes to ground and kills? Do you really want to be patching up a hard terrier each time it goes to ground? One, which after a while, you might not want to be seen out in public with? Of course not all black dogs are that hard, but they were originally bred to kill down. They are not generally sold as bushing dogs, and whilst some do work cover well, they are more interested in earth work.

 

Why not try and find someone who can show you what a hard terrier does? That might help you make your mind up about them. And would you be equipped to dig out such a terrier if it went to ground in a bad place? Because one thing's for sure: it's not going to come out if you call it nicely, or otherwise, until it has done its job or died trying.

Thanks for this, I think you're right when I asked for ideas on a hard terrier I didn't actually mean that hard, I meant one that's hard enough to dive through brambles and not bothered about it mainly. No at the moment I would definitely not want one going to ground and not coming out because you're right, I'm not equipped for it at all and would probably end in disaster. I am so glad I posted this before making any decision because it has opened my eyes to terrier work. i didnt quite understand the concept of proper terrier work becuase I have always just used mine as ratters really and never had the opportunity to see ones being worked properly (as I didn't realise that this is what black dogs were bred for really!)

Thanks to all who posted good advice and either I'll not be getting another dog this year, or if I do it will most likely be another JRT or JR X as I'm not ready for the real earth work yet and neither are my dogs