whats the chances..

[jazz_11 5]

Well lads im looking to send in for my fac shortly i hae a sgc but want to move on to rifles for vermin control.. i will be looking at a 22lr at the moment then possibly a 17 in a year or so time.

now im 18 years old had my sgc for 2 years this month.

i have one farm that i believe has been fac cleared unsure to what calibre tho i will get this cleared with the landowner though. now i have also been asked to do some vermin control over in england with a friend.

now whats the chances of being granted a open fac from the word go providing i only apply for a 22 rimmy.

is there any chance or am i just pushing my luck...

[markha 99]

You can but ask, Although I would think your going to get a closed license as do most applicants who are new to firearms.

[TWOTWOTHREE 152]

Hi Depending on your Feo and what his views are.if You can get written permission for a good amount of land in different areas You may be lucky enough to be opened on first app.when i had my 22lr, 17 hmr and 223 granted many years ago they were not opened at first as i only had two farms to shoot.after 6 month i had gained two more and with a letter reflecting safety etc have me open condition without question not on the 223 yet minimum two year wait i was told.so good luck if ya dont ask ya dont get mate

Edited October 12, 2011 by TWOTWOTHREE

[liongeorge 7]

Many police forces now prefer .17 as a safer option and you might be better off going straight for that and forgetting the .22. It is certainly possible for you to get it open from the word go particularly if you explain that you have various permisions/invites on the other side of the border/other counties and that getting each signed off would be a mare, and who's going to do it them or the other lot?

good luck. I got mine open for .243 and .22 from the word go (but I was 39!)

[dadioles 68]

Many police forces now prefer .17 as a safer option and you might be better off going straight for that and forgetting the .22. It is certainly possible for you to get it open from the word go particularly if you explain that you have various permisions/invites on the other side of the border/other counties and that getting each signed off would be a mare, and who's going to do it them or the other lot?

good luck. I got mine open for .243 and .22 from the word go (but I was 39!)

 

Oh dear, please don't start that old HMR v .22 "safer option" (bollocks utter nonsense) debate again. They are both as safe or as dangerous as you want them to be and if the police are taking the attitude that HMR is safer than .22 they need re-educating.

One of the major deciding factors between the two is noise. .22 can be as quiet as an air rifle, HMR will always make a loud crack. They each have their place. Just read the threads.....

Given a choice - I would rather be shot with a .22

Edited March 28, 2011 by dadioles

[liongeorge 7]

Many police forces now prefer .17 as a safer option and you might be better off going straight for that and forgetting the .22. It is certainly possible for you to get it open from the word go particularly if you explain that you have various permisions/invites on the other side of the border/other counties and that getting each signed off would be a mare, and who's going to do it them or the other lot?

good luck. I got mine open for .243 and .22 from the word go (but I was 39!)

 

Oh dear, please don't start that old HMR v .22 "safer option" (bollocks utter nonsense) debate again. They are both as safe or as dangerous as you want them to be and if the police are taking the attitude that HMR is safer than .22 they need re-educating.

One of the major deciding factors between the two is noise. .22 can be as quiet as an air rifle, HMR will always make a loud crack. They each have their place. Just read the threads.....

Given a choice - I would rather be shot with a .22

 

Dadioles please read my post again.

I didn't say whether one was safer than the other , it is purrely the polices perception at the mo in my area (Wilts and Hants) I have no idea who has given them this idea but I have heard it from my FEO and my mate has from his in Hampshire so I guess it comes from above. If this is the case our friend here may be able to use it as a tool to get what he wants

 

Regards George

[dadioles 68]

Many police forces now prefer .17 as a safer option and you might be better off going straight for that and forgetting the .22. It is certainly possible for you to get it open from the word go particularly if you explain that you have various permisions/invites on the other side of the border/other counties and that getting each signed off would be a mare, and who's going to do it them or the other lot?

good luck. I got mine open for .243 and .22 from the word go (but I was 39!)

 

Oh dear, please don't start that old HMR v .22 "safer option" (bollocks utter nonsense) debate again. They are both as safe or as dangerous as you want them to be and if the police are taking the attitude that HMR is safer than .22 they need re-educating.

One of the major deciding factors between the two is noise. .22 can be as quiet as an air rifle, HMR will always make a loud crack. They each have their place. Just read the threads.....

Given a choice - I would rather be shot with a .22

 

Dadioles please read my post again.

I didn't say whether one was safer than the other , it is purrely the polices perception at the mo in my area (Wilts and Hants) I have no idea who has given them this idea but I have heard it from my FEO and my mate has from his in Hampshire so I guess it comes from above. If this is the case our friend here may be able to use it as a tool to get what he wants

 

Regards George

 

Sorry George, I do not need to re-read your post. I deliberately reproduced it as a quote at the start of my reply.

 

It is obvious that it is not your own view that HMR is safer than .22, you are, I am sure, much more experienced than that. It is also a good idea of yours to tip readers off about the ill informed views of some FEO's (many only shoot and understand shotguns).

 

My criticism of what you said is your suggestion, real or implied, that a person should apply for an HMR instead of a .22 based on the view of an ill informed FEO.

 

"Many police forces now prefer .17 as a safer option and you might be better off going straight for that and forgetting the .22"

 

If you want a .22, and in this case that does seem to be the most appropriate rifle, you should not be pursuaded to get an HMR.

[liongeorge 7]

Fair comment Dadioles. He should go for .22 if thats what he wants and it may be the most appropriate rifle.Unfortunately the system as it is today makes you try and find any angle to smooth things along.

[stubby 175]

Fair comment Dadioles. He should go for .22 if thats what he wants and it may be the most appropriate rifle.Unfortunately the system as it is today makes you try and find any angle to smooth things along.

 

 

well to totally blow your idea out of the water, I applied for my FAC last year, only for a .22 rimefire, (pest control) recieved that, along with an OPEN cert on first application, maybe proving to the fao your need,experience etc is more important than calibre sizes

[danw 1,748]

I think I should spend more time worrying about the grant of the fac rather than whether it is open or not and to be honest we see this question time and time again why do folks feel it is that important? lets be honest you say you have one farm and been asked to shoot at a friends how hard will it be to show the feo the extent of the ground given you will have to nominate a piece of land in your application no matter if your cert is open or not.

[stubby 175]

I think I should spend more time worrying about the grant of the fac rather than whether it is open or not and to be honest we see this question time and time again why do folks feel it is that important? lets be honest you say you have one farm and been asked to shoot at a friends how hard will it be to show the feo the extent of the ground given you will have to nominate a piece of land in your application no matter if your cert is open or not.

 

the reason an open ticket is so important, well to us pesties anyway

 

customer phones and asks a price on vermin clearance, you give price and they ask, when can you do it, open ticket you can say, any time to suit you, closed ticket, you say, Ill have to inform my fao, who in turn, may need to arrange a visit with you to inspect garden/field etc, and then I can come, Im sure most will say "I'll get back to you"

[danw 1,748]

I think I should spend more time worrying about the grant of the fac rather than whether it is open or not and to be honest we see this question time and time again why do folks feel it is that important? lets be honest you say you have one farm and been asked to shoot at a friends how hard will it be to show the feo the extent of the ground given you will have to nominate a piece of land in your application no matter if your cert is open or not.

 

the reason an open ticket is so important, well to us pesties anyway

 

customer phones and asks a price on vermin clearance, you give price and they ask, when can you do it, open ticket you can say, any time to suit you, closed ticket, you say, Ill have to inform my fao, who in turn, may need to arrange a visit with you to inspect garden/field etc, and then I can come, Im sure most will say "I'll get back to you"

 

 

 

Totally understand if it is needed for work whether pestie/keeper etc but for your average shooter with 1 or 2 permisions I don't see what the fuss is about