Guest thebigdog Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 from irish council against blood sports website --- here ICABS has complained to TV3 following the airing of a documentary purporting to present the "the truth" about blood sports in Ireland. In an email to the programme's producer, ICABS criticised the lack of balance and the fact that it was biased in favour of the blood sports enthusiasts. The majority of the time was given over to the hunting and coursing fraternity whose claims went largely unchallenged. Dismay has also been expressed that some doubt was expressed about the inherent cruelty of blood sports. Presenter Henry McKean questioned if the cruelty highlighted on our website amounted to "isolated" cases - a suggestion that we could easily have addressed, if given the opportunity. In the case of hare coursing, we know from years of National Parks & Wildlife Services monitoring reports obtained under Freedom of Information, that hares are injured and killed at coursing meetings every season. This data is available to read on our website. As regards foxhunting, the video footage in our campaign video shows a fox being dug out of the ground and subsquently mauled to death by a pack of hounds. This is typically what happens during foxhunting. It is not isolated, as we know from hunting reports in the Farmers Journal and Irish Field which tell of foxes chased and killed. As for the research which Henry did to find out the "truth" about blood sports, he relied heavily on what the hunters said and showed him. Representatives from animal welfare groups were not given an opportunity to counter the hunters' cliched propaganda about foxes killing hens or their contradictory claims that, on the one hand, hunts rarely kill foxes and on the other, that they perform a service to farmers by killing foxes. ICABS has described as "laughable" and "very naive", the presentation of two cameras to a hunstman for him to film what happens during a hunt outing. "There was absolutely NO WAY anything controversial was going to be filmed that day, and their failure to find a fox wasn't an accident," we stated. Also criticised was the programme's segment on hare coursing - "a pre-arranged and a very nice 'snow job'" - which showed kindly coursers gently medicating a hare and stroking it and the coursing club vet saying that all the hares were "perfect" after their ordeal. ICABS has told TV3 that these are wild animals that have been snatched out of their habitats in nets and subjected to interference by humans. Hares in captivity are prone to stress and if the programme makers had sought the relevant information, we could have shown them official reports about hares dying in large numbers with stress-related diseases in coursing compounds. We would have told them of reports detailing pregnant hares and hares with young being snatched from the wild as well as hares giving birth to leverets while in captivity. With some interview extracts repeated at least twice throughout the programme, there certainly could have been time created to instead include facts about the reality of blood sports. "The time could have been used better, trying to get to the truth," we stated in our correspondence to TV3. "It seems, however, that that's not what the programme was about." link to the program if you havent already seen it. tv3 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 HAHAHAHA! Idiots, they don't seem to like hearing the truth do they. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 HAHAHAHA! Idiots, they don't seem to like hearing the truth do they. shower of bast@rds the lot of them, the programe couldnt be any more unbiased, and they still find something to cry about. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 The Antis want the public to listen to them about how dogs are worked when they've never worked a dog in their lives. That should pretty much tell anyone that they don't know what they're talking about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scalesntails 118 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 I am probably a far bigger softie liberal than any of the antis but because I try to base things on experience, evidence and logic I know hunting is no where near as cruel as they make out. They should ask themselves what would happen if we all stopped hunting because in spite of the millions of animals they say we kill each year the population of foxes etc seems to be growing. If my dog gets a rabbit I know its going to die unless I drop it before snapping its neck. But if I attempted shoot it then there would be the occasion where I just winged it and it could escape injured so die slowly. I know most of you can guarantee a dead rabbit every shot but I couldn't hit a barn door. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theferreter 311 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 there a bunch of :wankerzo4: the lot of them need a good dig in the mouth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catcher 1 639 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 from irish council against blood sports website --- here ICABS has complained to TV3 following the airing of a documentary purporting to present the "the truth" about blood sports in Ireland. In an email to the programme's producer, ICABS criticised the lack of balance and the fact that it was biased in favour of the blood sports enthusiasts. The majority of the time was given over to the hunting and coursing fraternity whose claims went largely unchallenged. Dismay has also been expressed that some doubt was expressed about the inherent cruelty of blood sports. Presenter Henry McKean questioned if the cruelty highlighted on our website amounted to "isolated" cases - a suggestion that we could easily have addressed, if given the opportunity. In the case of hare coursing, we know from years of National Parks & Wildlife Services monitoring reports obtained under Freedom of Information, that hares are injured and killed at coursing meetings every season. This data is available to read on our website. As regards foxhunting, the video footage in our campaign video shows a fox being dug out of the ground and subsquently mauled to death by a pack of hounds. This is typically what happens during foxhunting. It is not isolated, as we know from hunting reports in the Farmers Journal and Irish Field which tell of foxes chased and killed. As for the research which Henry did to find out the "truth" about blood sports, he relied heavily on what the hunters said and showed him. Representatives from animal welfare groups were not given an opportunity to counter the hunters' cliched propaganda about foxes killing hens or their contradictory claims that, on the one hand, hunts rarely kill foxes and on the other, that they perform a service to farmers by killing foxes. ICABS has described as "laughable" and "very naive", the presentation of two cameras to a hunstman for him to film what happens during a hunt outing. "There was absolutely NO WAY anything controversial was going to be filmed that day, and their failure to find a fox wasn't an accident," we stated. Also criticised was the programme's segment on hare coursing - "a pre-arranged and a very nice 'snow job'" - which showed kindly coursers gently medicating a hare and stroking it and the coursing club vet saying that all the hares were "perfect" after their ordeal. ICABS has told TV3 that these are wild animals that have been snatched out of their habitats in nets and subjected to interference by humans. Hares in captivity are prone to stress and if the programme makers had sought the relevant information, we could have shown them official reports about hares dying in large numbers with stress-related diseases in coursing compounds. We would have told them of reports detailing pregnant hares and hares with young being snatched from the wild as well as hares giving birth to leverets while in captivity. With some interview extracts repeated at least twice throughout the programme, there certainly could have been time created to instead include facts about the reality of blood sports. "The time could have been used better, trying to get to the truth," we stated in our correspondence to TV3. "It seems, however, that that's not what the programme was about." link to the program if you havent already seen it. tv3 Thank,s for that link bud.Missed it on the night.Great program.The one thing that got my back up.Was the Polish girl.Are we now importing anti,s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Typical anti b*****ds, balance is about hearing both sides of a debate not just getting your own opinions across. If they don't think it's leaning in their favour they call it biased.. It's what debate is all about.. They're quite entitled to their views but they seem to think that theirs is the only right one.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,305 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 from irish council against blood sports website --- here ICABS has complained to TV3 following the airing of a documentary purporting to present the "the truth" about blood sports in Ireland. In an email to the programme's producer, ICABS criticised the lack of balance and the fact that it was biased in favour of the blood sports enthusiasts. The majority of the time was given over to the hunting and coursing fraternity whose claims went largely unchallenged. Dismay has also been expressed that some doubt was expressed about the inherent cruelty of blood sports. Presenter Henry McKean questioned if the cruelty highlighted on our website amounted to "isolated" cases - a suggestion that we could easily have addressed, if given the opportunity. In the case of hare coursing, we know from years of National Parks & Wildlife Services monitoring reports obtained under Freedom of Information, that hares are injured and killed at coursing meetings every season. This data is available to read on our website. As regards foxhunting, the video footage in our campaign video shows a fox being dug out of the ground and subsquently mauled to death by a pack of hounds. This is typically what happens during foxhunting. It is not isolated, as we know from hunting reports in the Farmers Journal and Irish Field which tell of foxes chased and killed. As for the research which Henry did to find out the "truth" about blood sports, he relied heavily on what the hunters said and showed him. Representatives from animal welfare groups were not given an opportunity to counter the hunters' cliched propaganda about foxes killing hens or their contradictory claims that, on the one hand, hunts rarely kill foxes and on the other, that they perform a service to farmers by killing foxes. ICABS has described as "laughable" and "very naive", the presentation of two cameras to a hunstman for him to film what happens during a hunt outing. "There was absolutely NO WAY anything controversial was going to be filmed that day, and their failure to find a fox wasn't an accident," we stated. Also criticised was the programme's segment on hare coursing - "a pre-arranged and a very nice 'snow job'" - which showed kindly coursers gently medicating a hare and stroking it and the coursing club vet saying that all the hares were "perfect" after their ordeal. ICABS has told TV3 that these are wild animals that have been snatched out of their habitats in nets and subjected to interference by humans. Hares in captivity are prone to stress and if the programme makers had sought the relevant information, we could have shown them official reports about hares dying in large numbers with stress-related diseases in coursing compounds. We would have told them of reports detailing pregnant hares and hares with young being snatched from the wild as well as hares giving birth to leverets while in captivity. With some interview extracts repeated at least twice throughout the programme, there certainly could have been time created to instead include facts about the reality of blood sports. "The time could have been used better, trying to get to the truth," we stated in our correspondence to TV3. "It seems, however, that that's not what the programme was about." link to the program if you havent already seen it. tv3 Thank,s for that link bud.Missed it on the night.Great program.The one thing that got my back up.Was the Polish girl.Are we now importing anti,s. HAHAHAHA tossers like someone said they hate the truth 'coz it unhinges their argument :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,274 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Hats off to the program makers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harryshounds 1,267 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 the antis are going mad cos they were telling any one who'd listen to watch this programme,it was on their website for weeks before it showed. not just cos it wasnt some anti hunting propaganda video they're going mad. tough sshhit. it was un biased and honest and they hate that cos all they have is un truths and lies to fight us with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keeper 51 78 Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 from irish council against blood sports website --- here ICABS has complained to TV3 following the airing of a documentary purporting to present the "the truth" about blood sports in Ireland. In an email to the programme's producer, ICABS criticised the lack of balance and the fact that it was biased in favour of the blood sports enthusiasts. The majority of the time was given over to the hunting and coursing fraternity whose claims went largely unchallenged. Dismay has also been expressed that some doubt was expressed about the inherent cruelty of blood sports. Presenter Henry McKean questioned if the cruelty highlighted on our website amounted to "isolated" cases - a suggestion that we could easily have addressed, if given the opportunity. In the case of hare coursing, we know from years of National Parks & Wildlife Services monitoring reports obtained under Freedom of Information, that hares are injured and killed at coursing meetings every season. This data is available to read on our website. As regards foxhunting, the video footage in our campaign video shows a fox being dug out of the ground and subsquently mauled to death by a pack of hounds. This is typically what happens during foxhunting. It is not isolated, as we know from hunting reports in the Farmers Journal and Irish Field which tell of foxes chased and killed. As for the research which Henry did to find out the "truth" about blood sports, he relied heavily on what the hunters said and showed him. Representatives from animal welfare groups were not given an opportunity to counter the hunters' cliched propaganda about foxes killing hens or their contradictory claims that, on the one hand, hunts rarely kill foxes and on the other, that they perform a service to farmers by killing foxes. ICABS has described as "laughable" and "very naive", the presentation of two cameras to a hunstman for him to film what happens during a hunt outing. "There was absolutely NO WAY anything controversial was going to be filmed that day, and their failure to find a fox wasn't an accident," we stated. Also criticised was the programme's segment on hare coursing - "a pre-arranged and a very nice 'snow job'" - which showed kindly coursers gently medicating a hare and stroking it and the coursing club vet saying that all the hares were "perfect" after their ordeal. ICABS has told TV3 that these are wild animals that have been snatched out of their habitats in nets and subjected to interference by humans. Hares in captivity are prone to stress and if the programme makers had sought the relevant information, we could have shown them official reports about hares dying in large numbers with stress-related diseases in coursing compounds. We would have told them of reports detailing pregnant hares and hares with young being snatched from the wild as well as hares giving birth to leverets while in captivity. With some interview extracts repeated at least twice throughout the programme, there certainly could have been time created to instead include facts about the reality of blood sports. "The time could have been used better, trying to get to the truth," we stated in our correspondence to TV3. "It seems, however, that that's not what the programme was about." link to the program if you havent already seen it. tv3 Thank,s for that link bud.Missed it on the night.Great program.The one thing that got my back up.Was the Polish girl.Are we now importing anti,s. Come on guys be fair the young polish girl did say she had just stopped eating meat but what she did not mention her diet is fish that the thieving f**k**s are robbing from every river & lake we may be better turning the dogs out on these people Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 from irish council against blood sports website --- here ICABS has complained to TV3 following the airing of a documentary purporting to present the "the truth" about blood sports in Ireland. In an email to the programme's producer, ICABS criticised the lack of balance and the fact that it was biased in favour of the blood sports enthusiasts. The majority of the time was given over to the hunting and coursing fraternity whose claims went largely unchallenged. Dismay has also been expressed that some doubt was expressed about the inherent cruelty of blood sports. Presenter Henry McKean questioned if the cruelty highlighted on our website amounted to "isolated" cases - a suggestion that we could easily have addressed, if given the opportunity. In the case of hare coursing, we know from years of National Parks & Wildlife Services monitoring reports obtained under Freedom of Information, that hares are injured and killed at coursing meetings every season. This data is available to read on our website. As regards foxhunting, the video footage in our campaign video shows a fox being dug out of the ground and subsquently mauled to death by a pack of hounds. This is typically what happens during foxhunting. It is not isolated, as we know from hunting reports in the Farmers Journal and Irish Field which tell of foxes chased and killed. As for the research which Henry did to find out the "truth" about blood sports, he relied heavily on what the hunters said and showed him. Representatives from animal welfare groups were not given an opportunity to counter the hunters' cliched propaganda about foxes killing hens or their contradictory claims that, on the one hand, hunts rarely kill foxes and on the other, that they perform a service to farmers by killing foxes. ICABS has described as "laughable" and "very naive", the presentation of two cameras to a hunstman for him to film what happens during a hunt outing. "There was absolutely NO WAY anything controversial was going to be filmed that day, and their failure to find a fox wasn't an accident," we stated. Also criticised was the programme's segment on hare coursing - "a pre-arranged and a very nice 'snow job'" - which showed kindly coursers gently medicating a hare and stroking it and the coursing club vet saying that all the hares were "perfect" after their ordeal. ICABS has told TV3 that these are wild animals that have been snatched out of their habitats in nets and subjected to interference by humans. Hares in captivity are prone to stress and if the programme makers had sought the relevant information, we could have shown them official reports about hares dying in large numbers with stress-related diseases in coursing compounds. We would have told them of reports detailing pregnant hares and hares with young being snatched from the wild as well as hares giving birth to leverets while in captivity. With some interview extracts repeated at least twice throughout the programme, there certainly could have been time created to instead include facts about the reality of blood sports. "The time could have been used better, trying to get to the truth," we stated in our correspondence to TV3. "It seems, however, that that's not what the programme was about." link to the program if you havent already seen it. tv3 Thank,s for that link bud.Missed it on the night.Great program.The one thing that got my back up.Was the Polish girl.Are we now importing anti,s. Come on guys be fair the young polish girl did say she had just stopped eating meat but what she did not mention her diet is fish that the thieving f**k**s are robbing from every river & lake we may be better turning the dogs out on these people wouldnt mind her eating my meat 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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