Shazza 52 Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Can't remember who posted on page 2 about micro-chips not proving ownership THEY DO mate Same as Tattoo's prove ownership. If you want a dog micro-chipped or tattoo'd the dog has to be checked over first to make sure it hasn't already been marked/chipped (and possibly with an owner looking for it). If no chip or tatt then you can get it done in a matter of minutes, in case you haven't realised yet IF THE ANIMAL ISN'T ALREADY AND THE THIEF GETS IT DONE AND REGISTERED TO HIM/HER THEN IT BECOMES THIER PROPERTY Microchips are NOT proof of ownership. The provide a method of identification, nothing more. So the Police broke the law then when they removed a border collie from it's owners when someone else claimed the dog was thiers A family adopted a BC from a rescue centre locally and it hadn't been scanned before it was adopted out, owner who had lost the dog just happened to see it in the park and called the Police, they took the dog to a vet who confirmed the chip details and the dog was returned to the original owner. The rescue centre also got a visit and a warning to scan every dog thoroughly. Quote Link to post
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Vets and rescues are not legally required to scan for chips. There is no UK law stating that microchips are proof of ownership. Look it up Quote Link to post
Shazza 52 Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 No it's not a legal requirement yet, but they sure looked like a bunch of muppets when they have a scanner and don't bother to use it If the proposal to have all dogs microchipped is passed then it will be law to check them. It still goes though that a dog who was bought & paid for from the rescue was removed by the Police and given back to it's original owner when the chip proved it was his dog. So how can you say it doesn't prove ownership? Possesion of the dog was not proof of ownership here, the chip was Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Can't remember who posted on page 2 about micro-chips not proving ownership THEY DO mate Same as Tattoo's prove ownership. If you want a dog micro-chipped or tattoo'd the dog has to be checked over first to make sure it hasn't already been marked/chipped (and possibly with an owner looking for it). If no chip or tatt then you can get it done in a matter of minutes, in case you haven't realised yet IF THE ANIMAL ISN'T ALREADY AND THE THIEF GETS IT DONE AND REGISTERED TO HIM/HER THEN IT BECOMES THIER PROPERTY I hate to correct you, I would have hoped as a chipper you would know the law. A microchip does not prove ownership, just the details of who it was chipped to. All you own is the chip and it will not prevent a dog going through the 7 day system should it be picked up as a stray. There is no law that says all vets/dogwardens/rescues MUST scan for a chip, it is just considered good practice. All a microchip does is prove the identity of the dog - not the owner. Another drawback of microchips is that they do not prove ownership of the dog. Thus, if your dog is stolen - even if it is scanned and its microchip identified with your details - you could still face a long legal battle to prove that you are the dog's rightful owner. In addition, anyone who picks up your dog can have it chipped, without having to prove ownership. Safe Pets. A dog can change hands easier than a car can, but proving ownership is harder. If your dog was picked up as a stray, even microchipped, once after its 7 day period via dog warden (28 days kept by the finder after reporting to dog warden, in the UK) it can legally be passed to a new owner. You would then have to hope that owner would return your dog or take the matter further legally. Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Can't remember who posted on page 2 about micro-chips not proving ownership THEY DO mate Same as Tattoo's prove ownership. If you want a dog micro-chipped or tattoo'd the dog has to be checked over first to make sure it hasn't already been marked/chipped (and possibly with an owner looking for it). If no chip or tatt then you can get it done in a matter of minutes, in case you haven't realised yet IF THE ANIMAL ISN'T ALREADY AND THE THIEF GETS IT DONE AND REGISTERED TO HIM/HER THEN IT BECOMES THIER PROPERTY Microchips are NOT proof of ownership. The provide a method of identification, nothing more. So the Police broke the law then when they removed a border collie from it's owners when someone else claimed the dog was thiers A family adopted a BC from a rescue centre locally and it hadn't been scanned before it was adopted out, owner who had lost the dog just happened to see it in the park and called the Police, they took the dog to a vet who confirmed the chip details and the dog was returned to the original owner. The rescue centre also got a visit and a warning to scan every dog thoroughly. I would say that isn't as clear cut as you make out Quote Link to post
Shazza 52 Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 My friend works at the rescue and got the whole story straight off her. As for why this whole topic has been dragged off course Most owners get thier pets chipped or tattoo'd to give themselves every chance of being reunited with thier dog should the worse happen. Maybe we should forget doing any of that and just go get a new dog if it gets lost, seems most people here aren't that bothered about thier dogs to spend a few quid that may get them back home, says how good thier dog is if it means so little to them . Quote Link to post
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) ..............Micro Link Edited March 25, 2011 by ArchieHood Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 My friend works at the rescue and got the whole story straight off her. As for why this whole topic has been dragged off course Most owners get thier pets chipped or tattoo'd to give themselves every chance of being reunited with thier dog should the worse happen. Maybe we should forget doing any of that and just go get a new dog if it gets lost, seems most people here aren't that bothered about thier dogs to spend a few quid that may get them back home, says how good thier dog is if it means so little to them . Must be true then Even rescues have certain laws they should abide by when handling a dog. To insinuate a dog means little because someone disagrees with chipping is just sad. So sad Quote Link to post
Shazza 52 Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 ..............Micro Link Thanks for the link, thats the first time i've heard of a case where the dog hasn't been returned, essentially it's "stolen goods" So everthing i was told by the vet and chipping company i trained with is rubbish! The Police were wrong to return the collie to it's owner and obviously decent law abiding citizens get the raw deal yet again. If it becomes law to have all dogs chipped then it should also be law that who they are registered too is the legal owner. It's not rocket science that if it's registered to someone else then it's either lost or stolen and the law should step in to return it! Quote Link to post
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 My friend works at the rescue and got the whole story straight off her. As for why this whole topic has been dragged off course Most owners get thier pets chipped or tattoo'd to give themselves every chance of being reunited with thier dog should the worse happen. Maybe we should forget doing any of that and just go get a new dog if it gets lost, seems most people here aren't that bothered about thier dogs to spend a few quid that may get them back home, says how good thier dog is if it means so little to them . The story probably being that the rescue assumed cruelty and didn't put the dog through the dog warden as they should have, and that's how it ended up being rehomed. And that'll be why it was returned. There are many, many good people in rescue but don't assume that someone working in rescue speaks the gospel. Maybe you should do your own research first. A lot of owners do chip as extra insurance - but those who don't shouldn't be condemned as not being 'bothered' about their dogs .... so, how much do you charge to chip then? Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 So everthing i was told by the vet and chipping company i trained with is rubbish! Completely Quote Link to post
6pack 60 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Just to add - if you own an illegal 'type' dog eg.pitbull, and your dog is registered on the register of exemption, that dog must be microchipped and tattooed along with other legal requirements. In that circumstance, a chip is considered legal proof of ownership and any change of residence over 30 days must also be registered. Quote Link to post
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