Moll. 1,770 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I also think people over estimate/dramatise how much cats kill, had cats for over 20 yrs and none of them have been prolific bird killers. I've one here which has had a massive............ "1" bird so far this year. Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I also think people over estimate/dramatise how much cats kill, had cats for over 20 yrs and none of them have been prolific bird killers. I've one here which has had a massive............ "1" bird so far this year. moll your cat is a pet, as a pet you feed him/her, hence it doesn't have to need to kill to stay alive, if you stopped feeding it and it turned ferral then you would notice a dramatic increase in its seasonal bird numbers. nobody on here does kill or intend to kill peoples pets(I HOPE) BUT ferral cats are vermin and should be controlled the same as fox, rat magpie ect. an uncontrolled cat population are lethal to an area as the have such good hunting technicques. plus they have no natural predators as such so they are top of the food chain. a strong dog fox may chance his arm and ive watched one try to my amusement but left the worse for wear after it!! i have a pheasent pen in the middle of a wood out in the sticks and have a fox cage going all year round at it, last year i caught seven ferral cats and two foxes in it..... that speaks volumes to me. Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Its pricks like use lot who giv proper working lads a bad name wat a bunch ov tools I can walk my dog up the street if he sees a cat acat he dosent want to pull my arm out ov socket u must hav well traind dogs wud hate to see them in a feild ov sheep wat a bunch ov bellends easist thing in the world to break a dog to a cat, its just some lads chose not to for there own reasons. I admit if you want to walk a dog off a lead near roads it cant chase cats.tools! thats a bit richious that. True mate but kids round my way do it for a laugh and I think its wrong at the end ov the day. If people put enough game infront ov there dogs and caught plenty they. Wudnt hav to slip there dogs on a cat. To make them feel hard get a life I say. Put it in the feild where it counts fair does if your dog get one and kills it carnt be helpd sumtimes Dont bow down to him! They are f*****g tools, simple.. Mate, you say "if your dog gets one it cant be helped" well you havent trained it proper then pal. Because if it gets one, it will get another! Sheep cattle or cats, mine would have a slug in its head, and wouldnt be around to do it again.. mate your talking some shit..... i read your earlier post where you said your dogs respect your cat....... do you keep your cat on a throne or summit and call him sir.., dogs respect their owners, thats it. the rest is down to training. how the hell do you make out that a dog will take cattle and sheep if he taakes a cat...... we refer to slipping the dogs on feral cats, ie. WILD... ie. PREDATOR, VERMIN. if a dog wont follow a cat he wont follow a fox, simple as, small furry thing with a bushy tail running down the fieldand your dog wont follow it........ bull shit, if ya into bunnies that fine i suppose but if mine didn't follow it then its time to start culling. a wild animal is not a pet. get real and do the right thing and slip on vermin where and when possible. your saving your sport in the long run keeping the numbers of these down. So your saying that dogs broken to cats wont chase fox? im sayin it aint much of a lurcher if it wont chase one when its running away, i never came accross one that doesn't have a go at a cat running away down a ditch or accross a field and if it wont follow it then yes i would bet money it doesn't have it in them to take a fox, its alot different having a dog around the yard that wont touch the cat, it has been warned and knows not to touch it but out hunting i wouldn't be impressed wit a dog that didn't try and have it. are you going to tell me im wrong mate? The dog will give chase to anything mate, yeah your right, as soon as it realises what it is however, it will come off it! I have seen a brute of a bullx which would kill anything(preban) Run down the beam at full toss, only to jib at the last second and pull away! It realised it was a cat! One slept in its kennels at home, and it had "respect" for them, hence it didnt kill it.. And might i add, the owner, who was a nasty f****r, was also glad it didnt muller the cat. i wouldn't class him as a very good bull hound then, that being said im not a lover of that breed anyway, i have one but doesn't get used half as much as the others.i have chickens, pheasants, A CAT, ferrits and various other animals about the place that the dogs wont touch when at home, they might want to but they wont because they have gotten a scalding if they tried before, but when out in the field if my dogs wouldn't put up a pheasent cause he doesn't do the ones at home he wouldn't be much of a gun dog, if we are hunting in a bog or along a river and we meet a mink or a stoat if my dogs wont take them because they look like the ferrits at home they wouldn't be comming home with me either. when out hunting if somthing is living wild and causes harm, other than sumones livestock then it shouldn't be there. my dogs wont bother the cat at home, they hate him and so do i but they know he is part of the place and out of bounds so they put up and shut up as do i, but when hunting if a feral is come accross they will dispatch him and i expect no less. and if you read my first reply to this topic i did refer to feral cats, obviously pets are pets. lol, he's one of the best...The guy would never have shit in his kennels.. Dont call people dogs mate, hunters dont do that! when did i refer to sombody being a dog mate?as for the bull hound obviously i never saw it work so cant or wouldn't rate him. i simply gave my opinion and i appologise if i offended you. i wouldn't keep mine if he came off one in the field, i dont have a problem with him killing peoples pets as we dont hunt near houses or towns, as for callin me a kid, well fellow hunters dont do that either. im far from a kid and my life revolves around hunting, anything i do or have done in the field is done so fairly and humanely, and for the most part is for the good of wildlife in general as my main sport is vermin. each to their own but i definately will cull vermin when i have the oppertunity. as we run a pack we hunt over thousands of acers, wouldn't be possible without the good will of farmers and land owners, yet ive never been asked to leave anywhere or caused any damage in the slightest. meeting several farmers on each hunt all of them will and do ask us back, and any trouble they are having with any vermin they ring and i/we return the favour. 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Moll. 1,770 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I also think people over estimate/dramatise how much cats kill, had cats for over 20 yrs and none of them have been prolific bird killers. I've one here which has had a massive............ "1" bird so far this year. moll your cat is a pet, as a pet you feed him/her, hence it doesn't have to need to kill to stay alive, if you stopped feeding it and it turned ferral then you would notice a dramatic increase in its seasonal bird numbers. nobody on here does kill or intend to kill peoples pets(I HOPE) BUT ferral cats are vermin and should be controlled the same as fox, rat magpie ect. an uncontrolled cat population are lethal to an area as the have such good hunting technicques. plus they have no natural predators as such so they are top of the food chain. a strong dog fox may chance his arm and ive watched one try to my amusement but left the worse for wear after it!! i have a pheasent pen in the middle of a wood out in the sticks and have a fox cage going all year round at it, last year i caught seven ferral cats and two foxes in it..... that speaks volumes to me. I completely agree Foxdigger, we control the ferals here on the farm. I was referring to pet cats, as a great deal of folk like to brag about killing cats in their gardens, and their excuse.......cos they kill loads of birds Quote Link to post
lurcher-man2011 0 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 no dont like cats Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I also think people over estimate/dramatise how much cats kill, had cats for over 20 yrs and none of them have been prolific bird killers. I've one here which has had a massive............ "1" bird so far this year. moll your cat is a pet, as a pet you feed him/her, hence it doesn't have to need to kill to stay alive, if you stopped feeding it and it turned ferral then you would notice a dramatic increase in its seasonal bird numbers. nobody on here does kill or intend to kill peoples pets(I HOPE) BUT ferral cats are vermin and should be controlled the same as fox, rat magpie ect. an uncontrolled cat population are lethal to an area as the have such good hunting technicques. plus they have no natural predators as such so they are top of the food chain. a strong dog fox may chance his arm and ive watched one try to my amusement but left the worse for wear after it!! i have a pheasent pen in the middle of a wood out in the sticks and have a fox cage going all year round at it, last year i caught seven ferral cats and two foxes in it..... that speaks volumes to me. I completely agree Foxdigger, we control the ferals here on the farm. I was referring to pet cats, as a great deal of folk like to brag about killing cats in their gardens, and their excuse.......cos they kill loads of birds the folk that kill peoples pet cats and hunt around built up areas are a liabilaty and shouldn't have dogs in my opinion. the heart of hunting is in the heart of the country.... all the best. Quote Link to post
Tomm Parr 30 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) Most posts on this thread are sensible: Serious hunters know to keep their dog away from cats. Years ago I saw my old Lakie get slashed to buggery by one he saw shitting in my own garden and he wasn't right for days, i've avoided them since then, despite what he wanted. Why risk the dog's health (not to mention the law) for something you won't be thanked for and can't eat? All the 'Great white hunters' insinuating that they kill them....? Hmmm.... 15 year olds playing xbox and tugging themselves off, more like. Any fool can write fibs to impress their mates online. Why not become a surfing, songwriting, trainee astronaut on facebook? They might get a ride that way, thus taking them away from this forum and other sensible hunters. Edited March 29, 2011 by Tomm Parr Quote Link to post
lurchergrrl 1,441 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Most posts on this thread are sensible: Serious hunters know to keep their dog away from cats. Years ago I saw my old Lakie get slashed to buggery by one he saw shitting in my own garden and he wasn't right for days, i've avoided them since then, despite what he wanted. Why risk the dog's health (not to mention the law) for something you won't be thanked for and can't eat? Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Most posts on this thread are sensible: Serious hunters know to keep their dog away from cats. Years ago I saw my old Lakie get slashed to buggery by one he saw shitting in my own garden and he wasn't right for days, i've avoided them since then, despite what he wanted. Why risk the dog's health (not to mention the law) for something you won't be thanked for and can't eat? All the 'Great white hunters' insinuating that they kill them....? Hmmm.... 15 year olds playing xbox and tugging themselves off, more like. Any fool can write fibs to impress their mates online. Why not become a surfing, songwriting, trainee astronaut on facebook? They might get a ride that way, thus taking them away from this forum and other sensible hunters. is that a dig at me tom?? each to their own and if you have a way of doin summit then more power to ya. we have alwalys controlled them and will continue to do so. atb. Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 An old keeper once said "If folks made em (cats) bide at home then they would no need pine their return" Quote Link to post
Tomm Parr 30 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Most posts on this thread are sensible: Serious hunters know to keep their dog away from cats. Years ago I saw my old Lakie get slashed to buggery by one he saw shitting in my own garden and he wasn't right for days, i've avoided them since then, despite what he wanted. Why risk the dog's health (not to mention the law) for something you won't be thanked for and can't eat? All the 'Great white hunters' insinuating that they kill them....? Hmmm.... 15 year olds playing xbox and tugging themselves off, more like. Any fool can write fibs to impress their mates online. Why not become a surfing, songwriting, trainee astronaut on facebook? They might get a ride that way, thus taking them away from this forum and other sensible hunters. is that a dig at me tom?? each to their own and if you have a way of doin summit then more power to ya. we have alwalys controlled them and will continue to do so. atb. Nope wind your neck in foxdigger. Its a dig aimed at the clowns who use this forum to fantasise and tell fibs about their alleged killing sprees, rather than genuine hunters explaining why they do what they do. Chiiiill Winston. Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Most posts on this thread are sensible: Serious hunters know to keep their dog away from cats. Years ago I saw my old Lakie get slashed to buggery by one he saw shitting in my own garden and he wasn't right for days, i've avoided them since then, despite what he wanted. Why risk the dog's health (not to mention the law) for something you won't be thanked for and can't eat? All the 'Great white hunters' insinuating that they kill them....? Hmmm.... 15 year olds playing xbox and tugging themselves off, more like. Any fool can write fibs to impress their mates online. Why not become a surfing, songwriting, trainee astronaut on facebook? They might get a ride that way, thus taking them away from this forum and other sensible hunters. is that a dig at me tom?? each to their own and if you have a way of doin summit then more power to ya. we have alwalys controlled them and will continue to do so. atb. Nope wind your neck in foxdigger. Its a dig aimed at the clowns who use this forum to fantasise and tell fibs about their alleged killing sprees, rather than genuine hunters explaining why they do what they do. Chiiiill Winston. Quote Link to post
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