lost 100 acre permission

[RAPID7LIAM 7]

Been waiting weeks to put in for a variation for a HMR, well i finally got it sorted and went and bought one on saturday, then on sunday out of the blue got a phone call off the gamekeeper who gave me permission on over 1000 acres that the head gamekeeper wants rid of a few of the lads doing pest control, so me being the last one in was the first one out, absolutely gutted, havent even fired a shot with my new HMR, let alone zero it. I do have a little permission local to me that is cleared for hmr but it has a housing estate backing onto one side of it and a road through the middle of it and i just wouldnt feel safe using it there so just use the air rifle and the .22 rimmy now and again on certain fields.

looks like i'll have to get back out knocking on doors for some more permission. Itching to get out with the hmr but looks like i'll have a long wait, it's just sitting there gathering dust now.

Edited March 23, 2011 by RAPID7LIAM

[dave1372 83]

Sorry to hear that ....sh*t luck

[kenny14 656]

Sorry to hear that, mate, it's real bad luck.

If your tickets open though, you're welcome to have a look out with me sometime to give the new rifle a try.

PM me if you're interested (or ring if you've still got my number), and we'll arrange something.

Edited March 23, 2011 by kenny14

[markha 99]

Thats a wounder mate, one door closes another opens

[burny2011 12]

what area do you live .if you can or wont to a shoot my land you can till you get you own land again . pm me

[RAPID7LIAM 7]

thanks for the offers lads, havent got an open ticket though and when i rang to find out where i stand when going on someone elses permission i need written permission from any landowner/gamekeeper even if the other lad has permission so got another 4 and a half year to wait till an open ticket .

thanks alot for the offers anyway though, cheers, Liam..

i'm in sunderland burny.

[stubby 175]

if the smaller piece of land has been deemed safe and cleared for hmr, why not spend so time working out safe backstop areas, even if it means introducing a few man made ones

[RAPID7LIAM 7]

there is a housing estate that backs onto my permission in one corner, a road that runs along one side and inbetween two fields of the permission and the only place i would feel totally safe using it there are horses there and i dont think they will be to pleased with the crack of the hmr.

i know the hmr is supposed to be good for not ricocheting but over flat fields you must get the odd few, so for that matter i wont even bother risking it, to be honest i dont know how it has passed for hmr, but i had the variation so i could use it mainly on the permission i have just lost which by the way was over 1000 acres and not 100 as in my first post so you can imagine how gutted i'm feeling right now about losing it.

[matt_hooks 188]

Have you looked down the back of the sofa?

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

Seriously though, that's shitty luck mate. It's a bit off for the landowner to give you permission, and then take it away again, but I guess there's not much you can do about it apart from get to knocking on the doors.

 

Why do they need to reduce numbers? As long as the people are managed, why is it a problem? Surely the more people shooting, the more vermin will be removed?

[RAPID7LIAM 7]

it was the gamekeeper who i had the permission off and he had orders off the head keeper the reduce the numbers, i think he was more pissed off with people going up whenever they wanted, i used to text him the day before and ask if it was ok to go up so i done nothing wrong but we seen a pair of blokes out there one morning who'd been going up for over 10 year, dont think they were best pleased the first time they seen us when we had 17/18 rabbits with the .22 rimmies to their 2 or 3 with the air rifles, maybe they had asay in who went.

i didnt kick up a fuss when he told me so who knows, i might get back on there in the future.

Liam..

[ace32 4]

here,is a bit of info from another post on here as reg shooting in other peep,s permision,dont take the word of the first secratary you speak to when you phone up,ask to speak in person to the manager or feo,ok,ian

Borrowed rifles on private premises

6.16 Section 16(1) of the 1988 Act enables a

person to borrow a rifle from the occupier

of private premises and to use it on those

premises in the presence of either the

occupier or their servant without holding a

firearm certificate in respect of that rifle. It

should be noted that this gives slightly more

flexibility in the use of a borrowed rifle than

is permissible with the use of a shot gun

as described in paragraph 6.14, in that the

borrowed rifle can also be used in the

presence of the servant of the occupier.

However, the occupier and/or their servant

must hold a firearm certificate in respect of

the firearm being used, and the borrower,

who must be accompanied by the certificate

holder (whether it is the occupier or their

servant), must comply with the conditions

of the certificate. These may include a

safekeeping requirement and, in some cases,

territorial restrictions. Section 57(4) of the

1968 Act defines “premises†as including any

land. The effect of the provision is to allow

a person visiting a private estate to borrow

and use a rifle without a certificate. The

exemption does not extend to persons under

the age of 17 or to other types of firearm.

There is no notification required on the

loan of a firearm under these circumstances.

[Deker 3,478]

here,is a bit of info from another post on here as reg shooting in other peep,s permision,dont take the word of the first secratary you speak to when you phone up,ask to speak in person to the manager or feo,ok,ian

Borrowed rifles on private premises

6.16 Section 16(1) of the 1988 Act enables a

person to borrow a rifle from the occupier

of private premises and to use it on those

premises in the presence of either the

occupier or their servant without holding a

firearm certificate in respect of that rifle. It

should be noted that this gives slightly more

flexibility in the use of a borrowed rifle than

is permissible with the use of a shot gun

as described in paragraph 6.14, in that the

borrowed rifle can also be used in the

presence of the servant of the occupier.

However, the occupier and/or their servant

must hold a firearm certificate in respect of

the firearm being used, and the borrower,

who must be accompanied by the certificate

holder (whether it is the occupier or their

servant), must comply with the conditions

of the certificate. These may include a

safekeeping requirement and, in some cases,

territorial restrictions. Section 57(4) of the

1968 Act defines “premises†as including any

land. The effect of the provision is to allow

a person visiting a private estate to borrow

and use a rifle without a certificate. The

exemption does not extend to persons under

the age of 17 or to other types of firearm.

There is no notification required on the

loan of a firearm under these circumstances.

 

 

The stupidity of this legislation is that you can use the occupiers firearm, even a big calibre centrefire, but NOT your own .22lr!

 

I had this crazy situation with my lad when he got his FAC, he had been out with me and others many a time, and had lots of experience with serious tools, but his conditions did not allow him to use his own .22lr on any of my land that was not cleared, (My FAC is Open).

 

After explaining and debating this daft situation with his region we received written consent that he could!

 

Job done!

[halamrose 24]

Today I'm in luck because while I was out I was intercepted by the Manager of the next farm who wanted to know what I was up to. We had a chat and he has invited me to shoot over his bit as well. I couldn't help thinking of this thread and it seems to me its worth asking the guy who had to send you away if there is anywhere else he can think of where you could ask to shoot. You never know your luck and he may feel like he owes a bit of help. When you go calling it will be so much better being able to say so and so suggested you ask rather than being a complete stranger.

 

Think of finding somewhere to shoot as just another kind of hunting...

 

Good luck

 

Halam

[matt_hooks 188]

Ace, the shotgun legislation allows you to use the shotgun under the supervision of the person who has shooting rights over the land. That could mean the owner, or it could mean someone who has permission to shoot over the land, so it's actually no more restrictive than the FAC rules.

[Haystack 11]

Don't worry dude, it sucks.

 

I lost my only deer stalking permission to someone off a different forum, who I took out for a day's stalking (free of charge).

 

He went back within a few weeks, and put a bid on the shooting rights (Vs my nothing, as that's all I could afford, I just use to try and stay friendly and do a bit of tree/trap work when I could).

 

But, because of that I ended up getting 2,000 acres of pigeon shooting. It's not going to be worth much till May, when those drillings go in I'll have nothing but work and shooting to worry about!