baw 4,360 Posted March 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 couple of serious questions here lads ive done a bit of research on the two teams and from what ive seen the rivalry is more about religion than football is it like that in reality??? could/would a catholic man be a true rangers fan and vicea versa???? or is it just the press/internet making it out to be worse than it really is??? if its a touchy subject sorry to ask and lets not ruin a good thread Jock Steins family were staunch rangers fans. Celtic have many protestant players. I personally have known protestant Celtic fans and vice versa but its a definate fact that both clubs are as big as they are because of the religion. Celtic was started by a brother who wanted to raise money for poor Irish kids and the protestants adopted rangers as their team to oppose them. I know that sounds like we are good and they are bad lol but I don't mean it to sound that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j4mesmac 5 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 couple of serious questions here lads ive done a bit of research on the two teams and from what ive seen the rivalry is more about religion than football is it like that in reality??? could/would a catholic man be a true rangers fan and vicea versa???? or is it just the press/internet making it out to be worse than it really is??? if its a touchy subject sorry to ask and lets not ruin a good thread there are a lot of issue's regarding religious bigotry indeed,most of it true and unwanted in several quarters,but it is being stamped out slowly by both clubs. i know catholic's who support rangers and protestants who support celtic.these people usually come from mixed marriages though. james. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 gnasher ur right scottish fitba is shite plain and simple - i agree. but it wasnt so long ago that celtic and rangers were doing well in either european competition,notice i said well and not great. i can destinctly remember celtic beating liverpool/blackburn and doing very well against manchester united 2 yrs on the trot,also doing well against juve/barcelona etc etc.....and thats with playing in a pish league so although we play in a pish rotten league when we had a better quality player and wage structure,we done well in europe against teams who were expected to roll us over,think how hard it must be for someone playing against motherwell then juve then st mirren then juve again!!it must be very hard to adapt to those situations playing in the scottish league winning all the time then playing against quality opposition in europe.if we played quality week in week out we would adapt and overcome. it wont be the english premier league who dictates whether celtic and ranger enter english football mate it will be sky sports. i dont expect it to happen next year but it will happen soon if a euro league isnt setup first. say for instance- top 2 from scotland/holland/belgium/sweden/denmark etc etc. i think there is more chance this will happen sooner than celtic/rangers entering england. that would be more appealing for me,would rather that than england but england would do,and celtic and rangers could leave there reserve squads to play and still win the spl. Yes you make some fair points....personally i think if and when Celtic/Rangers come away from the Scottish league it will be the end of Scottish football full stop and thats the main reason it wont happen. I,ll always stand up if im wrong and i have to admit i probably did overlook the support the old firm sides particularly Celtic get so my apologies i simply didnt realise just how well supported they are.....still dont change the fact they wouldnt survive the premiership and im still dubious as to that reserve game.........but fair do,s they certainly raise some support Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 couple of serious questions here lads ive done a bit of research on the two teams and from what ive seen the rivalry is more about religion than football is it like that in reality??? could/would a catholic man be a true rangers fan and vicea versa???? or is it just the press/internet making it out to be worse than it really is??? if its a touchy subject sorry to ask and lets not ruin a good thread Jock Steins family were staunch rangers fans. Celtic have many protestant players. I personally have known protestant Celtic fans and vice versa but its a definate fact that both clubs are as big as they are because of the religion. Celtic was started by a brother who wanted to raise money for poor Irish kids and the protestants adopted rangers as their team to oppose them. I know that sounds like we are good and they are bad lol but I don't mean it to sound that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 couple of serious questions here lads ive done a bit of research on the two teams and from what ive seen the rivalry is more about religion than football is it like that in reality??? could/would a catholic man be a true rangers fan and vicea versa???? or is it just the press/internet making it out to be worse than it really is??? if its a touchy subject sorry to ask and lets not ruin a good thread there are a lot of issue's regarding religious bigotry indeed,most of it true and unwanted in several quarters,but it is being stamped out slowly by both clubs. i know catholic's who support rangers and protestants who support celtic.these people usually come from mixed marriages though. james. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 what does a side like Kilmarnock average 5,000 ?. did you know that kilmarnock has a population less than 45,000 ? and did you know the population of hamilton is also less than 50,000? not a lot to choose from especially when you mentioned before that london has more of a population than scotland. glasgow has a population of 600,000 which teams should have the bigger support ? you do the maths....... Thats exactly my point.....theres simply too many clubs in Scotland to expect any of them other than the big 2 to become " big " clubs......its like every borough of London having a professional football club,and then theres Arsenal and Chelsea playing in the same league From an outsider looking in it would makes much more sense if there was 1 division of 10/12 teams....every club would be that bit bigger in every way.....its like on a saturday aftenoon when they do final score....is there any human being alive who carries on listening after the 4 English divisions and Scottish Premier league Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 got to agree there 9th and 15th playing against motherwell/st mirren/hamilton/ etc etc wonder how many west ham fans would turn up each week to watch them play against these teams.then you have to ask how many celtic/rangers fans would turn out to watch their team play man u/chelsea/arsenal/liverpool every week - oh i bet your bottom doller we could build 100,000+ stadiums and fill em each and every week. yes i do believe we both are best supported teams in britain and poss the world. james Theres a reason West Ham have just got the Olympic Stadium ...now while i accept we wont fill it each and every week we have an excellent fan base considering within 5 or 6 miles in each direction we have massive clubs like Arsenal,Chelsea and Spurs..... To be honest mate i think your getting a little bit hung up on this " big support " thing.....if i was a fan of a club with the " worlds greatest support " i would feel just a little tiny bit hard done by that my club couldnt produce a footballer worth a carrot and couldnt do anything in Europe against the other best supported teams in Europe.... I could sit here all day saying how West Ham produce the best footballers in Britain....but unless we are succesful on the pitch its not really important is it.......same go,s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) anyone ? I,ll do the maths on that when you do the maths on the question you set which was name 1 club that could generate a 100,000 attendance.....Arsenal get 60,000 regular,have a 40,000 waiting list for season tickets,and games are sold out 3 weeks in advance meaning more tickets could obviously be sold per match......? I dont know the figures for Man Utd but id imagine they are similar if not higher. Edited March 30, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j4mesmac 5 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 anyone ? I,ll do the maths on that when you do the maths on the question you set which was name 1 club that could generate a 100,000 attendance.....Arsenal get 60,000 regular,have a 40,000 waiting list for season tickets,and games are sold out 3 weeks in advance meaning more tickets could obviously be sold per match......? I dont know the figures for Man Utd but id imagine they are similar if not higher. i agree gnasher with the arsenal thing,fair point but a few yrs ago celtic had 60,000+ season book holders and a 40,000 waiting list too,but that was a few yrs ago,when we had decent players on the park.i also know that a lot of chelsea fans got to see the likes of fulham play at home because they cant get to see chelsea because they are all sold out.and i will say that i congratulate west ham for producing younsters,its a pity more clubs in both england and scotland cant do the same,including my beloved celtic. the problem with both rangers and celtic is they are under so much pressure to win the spl they go out and buy players to win the league rather than produce home grown players,which is criminal,i agree with you regarding 6 home grown players on the park at kick off,would help improve our game,and would help develop home grown players. james Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) i agree gnasher with the arsenal thing,fair point but a few yrs ago celtic had 60,000+ season book holders and a 40,000 waiting list too,but that was a few yrs ago,when we had decent players on the park.i also know that a lot of chelsea fans got to see the likes of fulham play at home because they cant get to see chelsea because they are all sold out.and i will say that i congratulate west ham for producing younsters,its a pity more clubs in both england and scotland cant do the same,including my beloved celtic. the problem with both rangers and celtic is they are under so much pressure to win the spl they go out and buy players to win the league rather than produce home grown players,which is criminal,i agree with you regarding 6 home grown players on the park at kick off,would help improve our game,and would help develop home grown players. james Chelsea fans going to see Fulham thats a sin i cant believe that.....Sometimes when West Ham havent had a game ive been down to Dagenham and Redbridge just to see a game...but i certainly couldnt go to Millwall thats just against the law ! I guess a lot of folk up there who cant get in at Celtic end up in other grounds.....thats what keeps a lot of these smaller clubs going the fact they are peoples " second teams "..... Anyway,its been a good and eye opening little debate....cheers and best of luck Edited March 31, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tote 854 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 anyone ? I,ll do the maths on that when you do the maths on the question you set which was name 1 club that could generate a 100,000 attendance.....Arsenal get 60,000 regular,have a 40,000 waiting list for season tickets,and games are sold out 3 weeks in advance meaning more tickets could obviously be sold per match......? I dont know the figures for Man Utd but id imagine they are similar if not higher. i agree gnasher with the arsenal thing,fair point but a few yrs ago celtic had 60,000+ season book holders and a 40,000 waiting list too,but that was a few yrs ago,when we had decent players on the park.i also know that a lot of chelsea fans got to see the likes of fulham play at home because they cant get to see chelsea because they are all sold out.and i will say that i congratulate west ham for producing younsters,its a pity more clubs in both england and scotland cant do the same,including my beloved celtic. the problem with both rangers and celtic is they are under so much pressure to win the spl they go out and buy players to win the league rather than produce home grown players,which is criminal,i agree with you regarding 6 home grown players on the park at kick off,would help improve our game,and would help develop home grown players. james Andrew Little. Gregg Wylde. John Fleck. Jamie Ness. Kyle Hutton. Danny Wilson. Alan Hutton. Most of, if not all of the above have come through the ranks at Rangers. The bottom two have moved onto Liverpool and Spurs for decent money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AL BUNDY 45 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 anyone ? I,ll do the maths on that when you do the maths on the question you set which was name 1 club that could generate a 100,000 attendance.....Arsenal get 60,000 regular,have a 40,000 waiting list for season tickets,and games are sold out 3 weeks in advance meaning more tickets could obviously be sold per match......? I dont know the figures for Man Utd but id imagine they are similar if not higher. i agree gnasher with the arsenal thing,fair point but a few yrs ago celtic had 60,000+ season book holders and a 40,000 waiting list too,but that was a few yrs ago,when we had decent players on the park.i also know that a lot of chelsea fans got to see the likes of fulham play at home because they cant get to see chelsea because they are all sold out.and i will say that i congratulate west ham for producing younsters,its a pity more clubs in both england and scotland cant do the same,including my beloved celtic. the problem with both rangers and celtic is they are under so much pressure to win the spl they go out and buy players to win the league rather than produce home grown players,which is criminal,i agree with you regarding 6 home grown players on the park at kick off,would help improve our game,and would help develop home grown players. james spot on,its good to win your domestic trophys.but you still need to do well in europe.how many rangers/celtic fans say after getting humped in europe they dont care as long as we beat they b*****ds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Andrew Little. Gregg Wylde. John Fleck. Jamie Ness. Kyle Hutton. Danny Wilson. Alan Hutton. Most of, if not all of the above have come through the ranks at Rangers. The bottom two have moved onto Liverpool and Spurs for decent money. Alan Hutton looks a good player....but with every respect none of those are exactly what you would call household names are they.....for 2 clubs of such magnitude you would certainly expect them to produce some big name players.....not sure who the biggest name over the last 10 years would be Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j4mesmac 5 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Andrew Little. Gregg Wylde. John Fleck. Jamie Ness. Kyle Hutton. Danny Wilson. Alan Hutton. Most of, if not all of the above have come through the ranks at Rangers. The bottom two have moved onto Liverpool and Spurs for decent money. Alan Hutton looks a good player....but with every respect none of those are exactly what you would call household names are they.....for 2 clubs of such magnitude you would certainly expect them to produce some big name players.....not sure who the biggest name over the last 10 years would be in all honesty celtic and rangers tend to let the likes of hibs/hearts grow the young players and then buy them off them on the cheap.if i'm being totally honest i.e whittacker-hibs thompson-hibs riorden-hibs brown-hibs boyd-kilmarnock celtic have produced a few youngsters that have moved on tho but havent made it down south. stephen mcmanus shaun maloney aiden mcgeady charlie mulgrew liam miller stephen crainey ross wallace craig beattie paul caddis darren o dea shay given james forest nial mcginn not all household names but theres a few in there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Barry Ferguson did not too bad the second time. To be honest, I'm not interested in celtic being a feeder club to the prem or anyone. The old firm is in the mire at the moment due to the recession. Unlike the recession proof english, we need to rely on bums on seats,merchandise sales, etc, you know, the old fashioned way football worked before the false money hit the prem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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