Tomm Parr 30 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Nothing wrong with a bit of arrogance, that's what seperates the wheat from the chaff. Britain might not own the world anymore but half the world still thinks we do: Spend a few months in Africa or Asia and you'll find out; most of them can't get enough of us and save up their whole lives to get here to live or work; London is the world's biggest tourist destination. Work that one out?!?! Seriously though, I was born in England, grew up in Wales and now live back in England again. I can confidently state that the rabbits have looked and tasted the same wherever i've been.... yum yum Mind you, i've never met an Englishman that cares whether the other home nations win or draw their matches (whetherit footy or rugger), yet i've met a lot of Scots/Welsh/Irish that support England's opponents.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bogger 243 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 exactly tom what about the football how many scots,irish and welsh celebrated when germany beat england in the world cup?????? i see it as were a small set of islands and not much between us at all and should all stick together history is history but some people dont see it that way atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 exactly tom what about the football how many scots,irish and welsh celebrated when germany beat england in the world cup?????? i see it as were a small set of islands and not much between us at all and should all stick together history is history but some people dont see it that way atb We Brits always argue between ourselves; we've a chequered history, fighting invading each other way way more than any other small nations over the last 1000 years. Yet its all a bit misleading: Scratch the surface and you'll see... When the chips are down (like the forthcoming War in North Africa for example) everyone pretty much remembers that they are British. I'm English but grew up most of my childhood in Wales. My Plummer cross is Welsh and raised in England. We're later mooching outside worcester soon. When i get back home i might have a pint of guiness and a battered mars bar. Rule Britannia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Devon Fox 2 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) why should we change our attitude,im english,i dont give a feck about scots,welsh,irish i support england if that upsets anyone tough i really dont give a fcuk.and really if your any of the others mentioned you lot should support your own only,and feck what one person says we must do.feck off im english and support only england. Right on Brother Chip on the shoulder I reckon - I support England alone - I dont support anyone playing against the rest because I dont give a sh1t for 'em (I am talking about sport only here) England Edited March 20, 2011 by Devon Fox Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Well said mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fallow buck 18 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 really enjoyed watching the ireland v england game last night! went round my uncles house to watch it i hung my irish flag out my bedroom window with plenty of pride, was a great game alright, this year was the first year i didn't bet on the game, i normally bet on cheltnam festival too but this tear has been a tad mad, you are right thou celts certainly do stick together thats the way it will always be,, england is coming round ,, all the best Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 exactly tom what about the football how many scots,irish and welsh celebrated when germany beat england in the world cup?????? i see it as were a small set of islands and not much between us at all and should all stick together history is history but some people dont see it that way atb We only celebrate because we have to suffer months of media hype and bollocks about it being your god given right to win every tournament you ever win. It's good to have confidence in your team, but it gets taken way over the top by the media. It's human nature to laugh at those who repeatedly set themselves up with delusions of grandeur & pomp, only to fall flat on their faces time and time again. Your teams are obviously going to be better than the rest of the home nations given your sporting resources, but what riles us is that you keep convincing yourselves you're better than you are, and the rest of us are forced to listen to it every time we open a newspaper or watch a sports program on the TV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) Its a common mistake to think the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another. 'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. The advent of national sporting fixtures in the 1800s, saw the term 'Celt' gain popularity to describe the inhabitants of the then (but clearly not now after Saturday's thumping!) smaller underdog nations in the British Isles. And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too! By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more! Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you aren't really a 'Celt'. Edited March 20, 2011 by Tomm Parr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 It is a common misconception that the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another. 'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too! By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more! Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you shouldn't really call yourself a 'Celt'. Thanks for that refresher lesson in British Celtic history... :lazy: Maybe you should all be calling yourselves Germanic or Nordic... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomm Parr 30 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 It is a common misconception that the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another. 'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too! By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more! Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you shouldn't really call yourself a 'Celt'. Thanks for that refresher lesson in British Celtic history... :lazy: Maybe you should all be calling yourselves Germanic or Nordic... Cheers Malt, Most of us should really but that's enough history for one night; I have a tendancy to ramble...! YYou are right about the news coverage though. Mind you, New Zealand don't have the resources England have and have population smaller than Wales yet they usually spank us all each year!!!!!! Work that one out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 It is a common misconception that the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another. 'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too! By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more! Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you shouldn't really call yourself a 'Celt'. Thanks for that refresher lesson in British Celtic history... :lazy: Maybe you should all be calling yourselves Germanic or Nordic... Cheers Malt, Most of us should really but that's enough history for one night; I have a tendancy to ramble...! YYou are right about the news coverage though. Mind you, New Zealand don't have the resources England have and have population smaller than Wales yet they usually spank us all each year!!!!!! Work that one out Maybe something to do with the Maori warrior culture being ingrained into the team over there? I can't think of a more suitable sporting outlet for them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad al 146 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 :laugh: good this innit Did I yell you that my two brothers are English!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlefish 586 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Well done to both France and Ireland the better teams won and I have no problem admitting it. I agree a lot of us English act as if we still own the majority of the world and need to win in everythign and we are better than anyone else. Simple fact is we aren't as good as we think we are and we need to be more relaxed when coming to sporting events. I support England yes, but I also support rugby as a whole and as long as it is a good game, with passion and pride then I will support both teams. Joe Well said - good sportsmanship and behaviour from the players and the supporters is to be applauded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) Its a common mistake to think the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another. 'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. The advent of national sporting fixtures in the 1800s, saw the term 'Celt' gain popularity to describe the inhabitants of the then (but clearly not now after Saturday's thumping!) smaller underdog nations in the British Isles. And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too! By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more! Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you aren't really a 'Celt'. Nice history lesson but not strictly true. The first recoded use of the term 'celt' is from 517 BC. Also the notion that 'most britons had become romanized' due to the prescence of roman invaders/settlers is also a fantasy. The lives of most of the average rural dwelling populace would have changed little, during and after roman reign. But yer, nice to see someone interested in history. I'd also seriously contend the idea that half the world thinks we own the world and want to be like us. These days we are a bit of a joke, or just down right hated. Edited March 21, 2011 by Ideation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Its a common mistake to think the Irish, Welsh and Scots are 'Celts' and that they have some form of link to one another. 'Celt' is a modern term used to associate the Britons, who were Iron age peoples from Britain (but not Ireland and Northern Scotland) and North West Europe (such as Brittany), with similar cultures. There isn't really any record of the term 'Celt' being used until the last few hundred or so years ago as we tried to make sense of our muddied history. The advent of national sporting fixtures in the 1800s, saw the term 'Celt' gain popularity to describe the inhabitants of the then (but clearly not now after Saturday's thumping!) smaller underdog nations in the British Isles. And don't forget that by the 1st century, most Britons had been Romanized following the Roman invasion. Then most Romano-Britons were Anglicised by the Anglo-Saxons from Denmark/Holland/Germany in the 5th-8th centuries (one tribe, the Angles, even named England after themselves). Most of the what is now modern Scotland had by then been overrun by Ulstermen (in fact the Scots were a tribe from Ulster who emigrated to Scotland in such numbers that they named the place after them too! By the 9th century, the only places where the Britons' culture remained were Mid and North West Wales, Cumbria, Cornwall. And by then the Vikings had already started to arrive to mess up the map even more! Anyway, to cut a long story short, if you aren't Middle or North West Walian, Cumbrian or Cornish, then you aren't really a 'Celt'. am afraid to tell you were all mogrels cross breds , Nice history lesson but not strictly true. The first recoded use of the term 'celt' is from 517 BC. Also the notion that 'most britons had become romanized' due to the prescence of roman invaders/settlers is also a fantasy. The lives of most of the average rural dwelling populace would have changed little, during and after roman reign. But yer, nice to see someone interested in history. I'd also seriously contend the idea that half the world thinks we own the world and want to be like us. These days we are a bit of a joke, or just down right hated. strictly is true spent a day in the company of a historian in the British museum who explained the romantic notion of the Celtic race is just that a romantic notion , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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