staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 what so you think your the only one that had to do something like that for there dog s.stuff? what if you couldnt have borrowed it what if you had nothing left to sell as youd sold your unnecessary luxuries to buy essentials for your family that they needed after you losing your job? if thats the case you should only have a dog if you got the money in the bank ready for an emergency that could cost 3/4/5 grand then what you and some are saying is you shouldnt of had the dog then that means you should not of had yours dont it ? And driving around with the dog in pain and injured what if its the charity that have had the dog in their care with a srious condition for over 24 hours and basically kick the dog out the door because you cant provide a piece of paper that second even though what they wanted could of been confirmed over the phone and another family member had that paper in their name but still wasnt good enough what can you do? not everything is black and white Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cold Ethyl 63 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I think people forget they get no goverment funding the pdsa that is its all based on donations blame those who never give a penny to them.Some are good some not if your not happy make a complaint about it tot their head office.The receptionists can be bad but then seeing what ive seen in these places in the past cant say i blame them bound to get to you in the end.For future referance though the blue cross sometimes help with vets bills even if they been paid already so might be worth contacting them and explaining it and seperate the dogs for future safety.I never give mine food near each other ones at one end of my place and the other dog at the other end terrier in a crate to eat hers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bogger 243 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 hate to say it but think strong stuff and hannah have a point i wouldnt even think about goin to the rspca or pdsa as for comic relief raising all that money which most goes to forrign countries mainly africa yes the children are dying an its bad but sounds harsh they have done for years and the parents know this but they still have ten children to compensate only thing id send there is more condoms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannah4181 260 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I hate to be the one that throws a negative comment in here ..... BUT ....... i fail to see why people RELY on the PDSA. Yes vets bills are expensive, but IMO the moment you decide to get a dog, you also decide to take on the responsibility, including the financial outlay. If MY dogs are in need of vet assistance, i take them and I foot the bill for MY dogs. I don't mean to be a dick, but i'm guessing you are taking that view because you CAN pay for any problems your dog has. I know where you are coming from, but for many people, the ridiculous profiteering of the veterinary profession means that if they did not RELY on the PDSA, then they would forever be barred from having a dog or accept the fact that they cannot give it the treatment they require. Working dogs are part of a working class culture, but these days if you didnt have the PDSA, properly cared for dogs would become for the rich only. That's just a thought, and i'm not saying the system isnt abused to f**k, and i know you can get insurance, but even that still has an excess on it and may be prohibitive for some folk. As do i see your point to some extent, however i still believe that if you own a dog you are responsible for its welfare. Because i "can"?? i can because i work extremely hard, i can because i pay insurance every month, i can because i have a moral view that i would never expect anyone to pick up my dogs vet bill. Even if my business folded tomorrow and i was destitute, i would still borrow the money or as strong stuff pointed out, i'd sell something to pay the bill. Thats just me, its how i was brought up. A charity like the PDSA as you have pointed out is there for those that really need it, the point i was making in my first post was, even if this guy really needed it, he shouldn't have that as his only option to "rely" on them for the dogs welfare. Its the expectation that someone else will foot the bill that i disagree with. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattydski 560 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I'm afraid until someone independently sets vets fees, Insurance is the way to go. Like it or not.... I insure 2 lurchers and a GSD for £25 a month all in. YES £25 a month all in.... Or 4 packets of fags, or 8 pints of beer?? I have never had to use it yet fortunately, but it covers me more the more unforeseen events. And my view would be, If you cant afford that......... dont have a dog. Simples. Shop around, negotiate, lie a little bit (lurchers are in fact Medium Mongrels????...Your not working them.... See what I mean)The GSD is listed as pedigree though...cant get away with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I have just used compare the market to find quotes for 1 female greyhound & as soon as i put in greyhound as the breed a question came up asking if the dog had raced or been used a a guard dog so the first time i filled in yes she had raced .. supprise supprise .. they couldnt give me any quotes So i went back & deleted that she had raced & up pops some quotes .. the cheapest is just over a tenner a month but its very limited & you pay £ 90 quid excess & 10% of the rest of the total bill The most expensive is £ 50.70 a month with £ 75 excess So both dogs are large cross breed mongerals Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Last time my mate went down to the RSPCA vets, the waiting room was full of young chavs with there pit bulls having fighting wounds treated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fishfish 17 Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 well the problem we have is that when we were on very hard times the vets here didnt get paid,we have paid what we owe now but ,rightly they wont see us anymore and the other vets wont let us register either,word gets around.given the amount of publicity that the pdsa get saying that they are the good guys helping folk with animals in need naturally i thought they would help,and looking on the net it would appear i am not alone .people give them wads of cash thinking they will help anyone in need but they wont unless you live within a certain catchment area. as for the question of why i would go to the rspca ,well that shows my regard for the dog that i should swallow my principles and convictions to try and help the dog.should i have insurance? yes but times are hard for most folk,we are being stitched up by the local council at the moment and are really in the shit financially,so there is a choice electric or the dog insurance,or some similar choice,of course if things were better i would have the insurance,we dont smoke ,drink,socialise out or even have a take away occasionaly,so no one can say we put our own pleasures before the dogs welfare,i am sure there are many many folk on here in a similar position. Some on here have said i shouldnt have a dog if i cant afford the vet fees,well to you i say this,when we got our dogs money was ok,we trained the dogs and love them as do the kids,we develope a close personal and working relationship with the dogs so when hard times come what do you think should be done ? get rid of the dogs,possibly to be rehomed with some assholes? no you continue to love the dogs and hope and pray nothing goes wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 An emotive topic for sure. Just one thing i have found about insurance. I can absolutely guarantee the vet will put the dog through more suffering if it is insured that if it wasn't. The vet isn't there to help you, or your dog. The vet is there to help himself. Please do not ever think otherwise. Helping your dog is ONLY a byproduct of the vet helping himself in a large proportion of cases. Unless you are a good friend then things are, of course, different....JMO...JD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 An emotive topic for sure. Just one thing i have found about insurance. I can absolutely guarantee the vet will put the dog through more suffering if it is insured that if it wasn't. The vet isn't there to help you, or your dog. The vet is there to help himself. Please do not ever think otherwise. Helping your dog is ONLY a byproduct of the vet helping himself in a large proportion of cases. Unless you are a good friend then things are, of course, different....JMO...JD totally agree with you.. vets are businesses nothing more nothing less the days when you could pay on the drip are long gone .. I know of 2 people personally who's sick animals were refused treatment because they hadn't the cash to pay there & then.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest busterdog Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 WTF!? Driving a suffering dog around trying to get something for nothing ............ I'd say you don't deserve to own the dog. There's no NHS for dogs, never has been, therefore it an absolute must that if you own a dog then you have a huge responsibility for it's welfare, therefore if you can't guarantee your dog any care it needs then you shouldn't have it. I had to beg and borrow this time last year to pay for emergency treatment for a dog (£1300 in the end), I was close to selling my car to repay what I'd borrowed, but it was never in my mind that someone else should have to pay! Just one word ................ SCROUNGER! So you can add Strong Stuff to your list of those who are against you next time you go to see your psychiatrist! F.ucking disgraceful. Don't mince your words big un, tell it how it is lol...... Edited to say, many years ago while i hadn't a pot to piss in i took a pat pup to our local PDSA and asked for some wormers....there responce was to ask me if i would sooner put it to sleep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BULLDOUG 199 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Well IF I FALL ON HARD TIMES MY WHOLE FAMILY FALL ON HARD TIMES, WHEN IM RICH MY WHOLE FAMILY ARE RICH, SOMETIMES MY DOGS EAT KIBBLE AND SOMETIMES THE FINEST MEAT. Aaron, Ive given more to the world of dogs and only ever taken their love. SS added but who really cares what he thinks?? My dogs are with me till my dying breath, have you always been able to say the same?? Through the ups and through the downs! D (Scrounger condemd by SS) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 what so you think your the only one that had to do something like that for there dog s.stuff? what if you couldnt have borrowed it what if you had nothing left to sell as youd sold your unnecessary luxuries to buy essentials for your family that they needed after you losing your job? if thats the case you should only have a dog if you got the money in the bank ready for an emergency that could cost 3/4/5 grand then what you and some are saying is you shouldnt of had the dog then that means you should not of had yours dont it ? And driving around with the dog in pain and injured what if its the charity that have had the dog in their care with a srious condition for over 24 hours and basically kick the dog out the door because you cant provide a piece of paper that second even though what they wanted could of been confirmed over the phone and another family member had that paper in their name but still wasnt good enough what can you do? not everything is black and white The truth? I've never had a family myself as I've never felt in a position to guarantee being able to look after them .............. apart from that I've never met a woman in my life who I'd have trusted with my children. When my dog needed me I was there for him, without going into it all again here, with hindsight I should have had him pts that night, not because of the money but the way it went eventually. What the charities do? 2 wrongs don't make a right, if they left a dog in pain then they are wrong. Yes, I am saying that with dog ownership comes big responsibility, doesn't that make it as big a commitment on the owners side as it is on the dog? Every time you send that dog off into the dark it could get seriously injured, but it doesn't care, it goes ............... if you can't offer the same commitment then you shouldn't have it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trappa 518 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Totally wrong mate, they are first class arseholes. Years ago our lasses dog was in agony and her dad took it to pdsa but they refused to treat it because he worked and wasnt on the dole, even though the dog was in agony. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greg64 2,825 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 if you work your dogs even occasionally then sooner or later your going to need a vet, its inevatable,and you should be prepared to foot the bill and not rely on charity 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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