BULLDOUG 199 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Aaron me and my wife had a long chat at the start of this season and with the spare cash running thinly it was decided he would not be worked this season, Sad i know, Its not just me whom has the itchy feet on the wet and windy nights, other lads i know have been seen anywhere but in the field also. Why not take the morral high ground and ask your customers if theyve ever had to rely on others help?? then refuse to do buisness with them if they have?? Because on the other side of that coin is the decent hard working man who struggles to make ends meet from time to time being labelled a scrounger by a man who is no better than themselves, (just forgot his past). on that side of the coin i wouldnt want to do buisness with you. D (ALWAYS WHAT YOU SEE) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I hate to be the one that throws a negative comment in here ..... BUT ....... i fail to see why people RELY on the PDSA. Yes vets bills are expensive, but IMO the moment you decide to get a dog, you also decide to take on the responsibility, including the financial outlay. If MY dogs are in need of vet assistance, i take them and I foot the bill for MY dogs. I don't mean to be a dick, but i'm guessing you are taking that view because you CAN pay for any problems your dog has. I know where you are coming from, but for many people, the ridiculous profiteering of the veterinary profession means that if they did not RELY on the PDSA, then they would forever be barred from having a dog or accept the fact that they cannot give it the treatment they require. Working dogs are part of a working class culture, but these days if you didnt have the PDSA, properly cared for dogs would become for the rich only. That's just a thought, and i'm not saying the system isnt abused to f**k, and i know you can get insurance, but even that still has an excess on it and may be prohibitive for some folk. As do i see your point to some extent, however i still believe that if you own a dog you are responsible for its welfare. Because i "can"?? i can because i work extremely hard, i can because i pay insurance every month, i can because i have a moral view that i would never expect anyone to pick up my dogs vet bill. Even if my business folded tomorrow and i was destitute, i would still borrow the money or as strong stuff pointed out, i'd sell something to pay the bill. Thats just me, its how i was brought up. A charity like the PDSA as you have pointed out is there for those that really need it, the point i was making in my first post was, even if this guy really needed it, he shouldn't have that as his only option to "rely" on them for the dogs welfare. Its the expectation that someone else will foot the bill that i disagree with. god frbid that things never go wrong in your life that you have to use all the nice things that you have bought with the money you earn from your buisness to fund things like a deposit on a house a bill that you havent got the money in one for and so on then you would climb down off that horse and do whatever you could to help the situation but what if you had nothing left to sell like i said before and because your buisness failed you lost your house and had to move to a diff place and you couldnt afford to pay the insurance or borrow the money what are you going to do rehome the dog pass it on to some charity/shelter? like fishfish has said you just carry on trying to get through hoping for the best s.stuff i respect your point of view but life can be very cruel and like you said you did what you could for the dog but you didnt have the money yourself to pay thats what fishfish was saying mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 f**k me isn't it easy to be judgemental from behind a keyboard some of the people on here are still suckling from mothers tit and have no idea on what it is like to be on hard times FishFish I aint flush but if you need antibiotics etc for the dog I will see what I have I arnt far away and usually got a spare bambi in the larder if it is of any help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Aaron me and my wife had a long chat at the start of this season and with the spare cash running thinly it was decided he would not be worked this season, Sad i know, Its not just me whom has the itchy feet on the wet and windy nights, other lads i know have been seen anywhere but in the field also. Why not take the morral high ground and ask your customers if theyve ever had to rely on others help?? then refuse to do buisness with them if they have?? Because on the other side of that coin is the decent hard working man who struggles to make ends meet from time to time being labelled a scrounger by a man who is no better than themselves, (just forgot his past). on that side of the coin i wouldnt want to do buisness with you. D (ALWAYS WHAT YOU SEE) That's not strictly true though is it ............. "Always what you see" I couldn't care less if you don't do business with me, you might not realise it, but I do know that you bought a harness off me with the intention of copying it, you didn't tell me that when you rang me did you? I'd bet every single person I know has had to ask for help in the past off someone, that's not my point, my point is that man thinks he is entitled to have his dog treated for free, he is not, no one is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 f**k me isn't it easy to be judgemental from behind a keyboard some of the people on here are still suckling from mothers tit and have no idea on what it is like to be on hard times FishFish I aint flush but if you need antibiotics etc for the dog I will see what I have I arnt far away and usually got a spare bambi in the larder if it is of any help If that's aimed at me, you couldn't be more wrong! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) Not to throw wood onto the fire so to speak,but im in total agreement with Mr Strongstuff......if more people stuck to the principals he describes the quality of dogs would go up and the amount of dogs on our streets would go down,which in the long run leads to a far better " dog society " than we see today.The hard fact is its all too easy to have a dog these days,with the attitude of " if it gets sick i,ll get a charity to help out " it doesnt put off people who otherwise are not really in a position to own dogs. You dont go out and buy a car without first knowing that regardless of what comes up you can afford to run and maintain that car......ok a car you can stick on the driveway when it packs up and come back to it when you have the money....a dog you cant !......So why live beyond your means. Thats not to mention the sheer degradation of having to go poncing from organisations most of us claim to detest.....i would rather lose a dog or anything i owned rather than go poncing from the rspca......you cant have it both ways you cant claim to be against them then go asking them for help. If something go,s wrong in your life and you cant afford to treat your dog then do what you do when your car breaks down in similar circumstances....beg borrow or steal......but to run to people you claim to hate at any other time,well thats just wrong in my book. Edited March 19, 2011 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 f**k me isn't it easy to be judgemental from behind a keyboard some of the people on here are still suckling from mothers tit and have no idea on what it is like to be on hard times FishFish I aint flush but if you need antibiotics etc for the dog I will see what I have I arnt far away and usually got a spare bambi in the larder if it is of any help If that's aimed at me, you couldn't be more wrong! What makes you think I aimed it at you? If it was just for you then I would have said so Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 f**k me isn't it easy to be judgemental from behind a keyboard some of the people on here are still suckling from mothers tit and have no idea on what it is like to be on hard times FishFish I aint flush but if you need antibiotics etc for the dog I will see what I have I arnt far away and usually got a spare bambi in the larder if it is of any help good on ya mate i know how much these ves charge for these when they get them for peanuts. And every little helps if there were more people like you mate the dog world would be a better place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 99% of thing gnasher says i agree with however if his view was the case then all but the wealthiest 5/10% of people would only have kids now doeshaving money make you a better person than the next does it make you more deserving ? i agree with some have the attitude of someone will sort it out thats in all walks of society but again if you couldnt beg steel or borrow what would you do leeve the dog in agony for the sake of pride when the dog can still have a pain free decent life? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 99% of thing gnasher says i agree with however if his view was the case then all but the wealthiest 5/10% of people would only have kids now doeshaving money make you a better person than the next does it make you more deserving ? i agree with some have the attitude of someone will sort it out thats in all walks of society but again if you couldnt beg steel or borrow what would you do leeve the dog in agony for the sake of pride when the dog can still have a pain free decent life? I get what your saying but i think 5/10% is maybe a slight exaggeration dont you....it would simply mean that people without a pot to piss in would not be able to have a dog,which is how it should be..... What % of society cannot afford to run a car ? 10/15% maybe ?.....yet any and everyone CAN afford to have a dog how does that work when a new clutch might be 200 and a vet bill might be 500 !!! As harsh as it is to say,yes having money does make you more deserving....thats just life and simple arithmetic,live within your means.....does it make you a better person of course it doesnt.No you cant leave a dog suffering,but that dog didnt choose to be owned by you,you chose to own it.....so is it really about what you the owner wants or what the dog wants,because by choice the dog wouldnt have chosen you !.....not using the term you,as you personally you understand Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 99% of thing gnasher says i agree with however if his view was the case then all but the wealthiest 5/10% of people would only have kids now doeshaving money make you a better person than the next does it make you more deserving ? i agree with some have the attitude of someone will sort it out thats in all walks of society but again if you couldnt beg steel or borrow what would you do leeve the dog in agony for the sake of pride when the dog can still have a pain free decent life? I get what your saying but i think 5/10% is maybe a slight exaggeration dont you....it would simply mean that people without a pot to piss in would not be able to have a dog,which is how it should be..... What % of society cannot afford to run a car ? 10/15% maybe ?.....yet any and everyone CAN afford to have a dog how does that work when a new clutch might be 200 and a vet bill might be 500 !!! As harsh as it is to say,yes having money does make you more deserving....thats just life and simple arithmetic,live within your means.....does it make you a better person of course it doesnt.No you cant leave a dog suffering,but that dog didnt choose to be owned by you,you chose to own it.....so is it really about what you the owner wants or what the dog wants,because by choice the dog wouldnt have chosen you !.....not using the term you,as you personally you understand no problem like i say i agree in a way but opposite in most Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 99% of thing gnasher says i agree with however if his view was the case then all but the wealthiest 5/10% of people would only have kids now doeshaving money make you a better person than the next does it make you more deserving ? i agree with some have the attitude of someone will sort it out thats in all walks of society but again if you couldnt beg steel or borrow what would you do leeve the dog in agony for the sake of pride when the dog can still have a pain free decent life? Spot on how many could really afford children if it wasn't for family allowance/tax credits ETC good job the NHS is free Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,252 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Fishfish, from what im reading, all the vets local to you have refused you treatment for your charges due to problems getting their bills payed, so you turn to charity, the same charity youve set up a facebook account against?! Time to have a look in the mirror. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Spot on how many could really afford children if it wasn't for family allowance/tax credits ETC good job the NHS is free Comparing having a dog to having a kid is a ridiculous comparison to make.....i would allow 500 dogs to die a painful death to save the life of 1 child,you have to keep it realistic....dogs dont have the value of children so to compare them is pointless. I accept people have children they need help with financially thats acceptable in most cases.....with a dog i dont think it is acceptable,simple. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JPTfellterrier 65 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) I have also experienced this, tilly (lurcher) had blood in her diohreah and i had just moved areas and was very very skint to say the least after everything went pretty much tits up after being refused benefits from the government. So I rang the PDSA for help and i also lived outside "the area" grrr. Luckily it was only a virus and cost me £60 at the vet Wold just like to add that I would go to the end of the earth to give my dog the treatment needed just as i would a child or a family member as i class her as part of my small family Edited March 19, 2011 by JPTfellterrier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.