birddog 1,354 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 moo i genuinely believe that whilst having diferences we should all stick together. we all want diferent things in our dogs, yours is obviously a bigger stronger beast with more stamina than bobs and would undoubtadley leave his behind on a long distance run just as his would make yours (and mine) look silly on a short straight race but mines whilst not having the one run stamina of yours or the electric sprint of his does have remarkable recovery rates and can manage 30 or 40 and sometimes more runs at bunnies in a couple of hours (and shes out of a well bred ex racer). different breeds do bring different things to the table but also training, handling, feeding, rearing and conditioning all have a part to play as well. is it not this variety that attracts us all to this sport in the first place? Quote Link to post
MOO 730 Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Storm 70 this is a reply to the rant of a pm you sent me and then blocked me from reply ....you realy have your knickers in a twist fella ...it was not a challenge I offered you or Bob in my post but I have vast amounts of permission with plenty of stuff on it and invited yous out for a bit of a do ......you need to calm down lad Quote Link to post
stewie 3,387 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yes storm70, I bought her about 20 years ago from her breeder in England. She was out of a greyhound bitch mated to a saluki dog and had her career cut short due to injury. Thats why I believe the best to best lurcher to lurcher or lurcher to saluki is the way to go. If I was breeding for racing dogs I'd breed greyhounds or hardbloods. Hunting dogs only need to be fast enough. Stamina, prey drive, durability, good feet and a cunning brain are more important imho. Never a truer word spoken.atb dell :laugh: so a greyhound has none of them??? Quote Link to post
optimus 447 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yes storm70, I bought her about 20 years ago from her breeder in England. She was out of a greyhound bitch mated to a saluki dog and had her career cut short due to injury. Thats why I believe the best to best lurcher to lurcher or lurcher to saluki is the way to go. If I was breeding for racing dogs I'd breed greyhounds or hardbloods. Hunting dogs only need to be fast enough. Stamina, prey drive, durability, good feet and a cunning brain are more important imho. Never a truer word spoken.atb dell :laugh: so a greyhound has none of them??? "good feet" IS CERTAINLY ONE IT WONT HAVE Quote Link to post
BOLIO1 1,078 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 And if 800 yds is considered a marathon then stamina will be another, but I never actually said a greyhound had none of the highlighted qualities. I said these were more important attributes than speed in a lurcher which is already fast enough. Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Well put bolio nothing much more to be said i totally agree ,atb bunnys . and for those who doubt the said above perhaps 30 40 yrs down the line ,one will realise just enough can get ya a good un .durability staying sound his a big yes to any animal that his to make someat. Quote Link to post
toby1066 413 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 look good to me too Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Nice velcro go fasters. Quote Link to post
BOLIO1 1,078 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 And they may very well be. The show ring is also full of good looking feet. But the modern greyhound has been bred to sprint a short distance on a carefully manicured surface. A lurcher has to run where the quarry leads. 1 Quote Link to post
baw 4,360 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yes storm70, I bought her about 20 years ago from her breeder in England. She was out of a greyhound bitch mated to a saluki dog and had her career cut short due to injury. Thats why I believe the best to best lurcher to lurcher or lurcher to saluki is the way to go. If I was breeding for racing dogs I'd breed greyhounds or hardbloods. Hunting dogs only need to be fast enough. Stamina, prey drive, durability, good feet and a cunning brain are more important imho. Never a truer word spoken.atb dell :laugh: so a greyhound has none of them??? "good feet" IS CERTAINLY ONE IT WONT HAVE would you say these are not good feet then Hard to say stewie, any photos without the trainers? Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 STEWIE those feet look sound on the grey above and i have no doubt she his showing good in the field ,but may i say how old his the dog how many seasons has she had what ground does she run . a pal of mine grew three greys for work from welps they were al ok in the field but were run on mainly grass padocks etc start to run them on flinty or stony ground and woodland and feet tendons toes start to show ware and tear , its difficult enough to get a good modern lurcher to take the hammer some take on limbs feet etc a gry well they may pop up now and again but i can honestly say in 4 decades of running dog and longer worked has a lurcher they re just not made for the job.and may i say greys get faster each and every generation a grey of thirty yrs ago are a far cry from modern dogs .way to fast and heavy in most cases ,breeding lurchers using greys can give mixed results depending on the other half of the equation myself i would much prefer a cross betweem the deerhound or saluki of the fast type than any grey ,the first cross any grey his and can be the starting point of a good running dog . atb bunnys . Quote Link to post
stewie 3,387 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 :laugh: yeah baw i probably shouldnt of worn the velcros in that close up BOLIO1 and bunnys ill answer both your questions together the dog has never even seen a race track lads never mind a show ring and he has been ran on rabbits over some very rough ground mate and never injured his feet at all infact my two lurchers have ran the same ground and they have both injured a toe each this season the ground was frozen solid this day when we were just taking him a walk and he seen a rabbit right the other side of the field, took of after it at full speed over a good distance but never bothered his feet at all the thing is with greys as in lurchers there is good and shit bred all over the scene i got the dog out of a rescue centre thats well known on here yes i might of been lucky but at the same time ive walked past literally hundreds of greyhounds in rescues that i wouldnt even think about taking home never entering to work i took him a walk, gave him a check over as i would a 12 month old lurcher and could see no reason why this dog couldnt run well in the field and to date im right only had one season with the dog and he is still not fully mature BUT when he does hit full maturity im sure we are gonna have one hell of a dog on our hands but each to their own if you happy with whats in your own kennel then everythings all good!!! heres a pic with no velcro trainers :laugh: trust me i was worried about this dogs feet, id be stupid if i wasnt but to date and after a good season working varied ground/quarry we have never had any problems with him Quote Link to post
HALTY LAD 92 Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Didnt read the whole thred, to be honest I was expecting the rubbish, I might have a trawl through after adding my piece. 1 why use track blood? Well people have their reasons I suppose, but it seems crazy that anyone would go through the trouble of starting a new line of dogs when we have dogs here purpose bred for all jobs, bred the proper way, worker to worker. In fact it irritates me this thread, as my granda (this is way back in 1800s) used to work pure greyhounds in the field and never crossed them, he took all game regularly, and if we had only kept them working we would still have greyhounds with stamina feet and coat that are lacking nowadays. However the modern track greyhounds have, and still are used in the making of very good working dogs. There are so many great dogs about with track grey blood in them that is proof enough for anyone to see that it can work. The differences between track and coursing greys in the uk is nowt to write home about, neither would make me a suitable working dog in the field, so anyone breeding with one would have to be routhless in selection of the best stud, and similarly ruthless in culling off poor stock from the resulting initial litters, and go from there. Its a lot of time and effort to start a line of dogs and shouldnt be undertaken lightheartedly as seems to be so often the case thesedays unfortunately. 2 Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Didnt read the whole thred, to be honest I was expecting the rubbish, I might have a trawl through after adding my piece. 1 why use track blood? Well people have their reasons I suppose, but it seems crazy that anyone would go through the trouble of starting a new line of dogs when we have dogs here purpose bred for all jobs, bred the proper way, worker to worker. In fact it irritates me this thread, as my granda (this is way back in 1800s) used to work pure greyhounds in the field and never crossed them, he took all game regularly, and if we had only kept them working we would still have greyhounds with stamina feet and coat that are lacking nowadays. However the modern track greyhounds have, and still are used in the making of very good working dogs. There are so many great dogs about with track grey blood in them that is proof enough for anyone to see that it can work. The differences between track and coursing greys in the uk is nowt to write home about, neither would make me a suitable working dog in the field, so anyone breeding with one would have to be routhless in selection of the best stud, and similarly ruthless in culling off poor stock from the resulting initial litters, and go from there. Its a lot of time and effort to start a line of dogs and shouldnt be undertaken lightheartedly as seems to be so often the case thesedays unfortunately. Quote Link to post
Guest storm70 Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Well dan it's not really a new line my old bedlingtons go back 5 genartations worker to worker the 1stx bedligton whippet is from country's musicx lagunaxgutchcommon bedlington these dogs were properly dug to on all quarry the halfxto on 16 inch been dug to all quarry to lamped constantly she's going on 9 her full brother has been put to a full greyhound to produce bedwhippetxgreyhpunds at 26 inch and doing the biz her sire was put back to her dams bro a bedlington dog Quote Link to post
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