Track dog blood

[sowhat 1,572]

Dam 3/4deergrey sire saluki type but this thread is not about my dog ....the reason for the thread is why people choose track dogs for there breeding that have never been tested in the field instead of a decent lurcher that could offer more attributes to the pups than just speed and judgeing from some pms some folks have got there knickers in a twist .

 

When you say dam 3/4 deergrey, do you mean 3/4 deerhound 1/4 greyhound or vice versa,and you state that the sire is Saluki type, how much greyhound was there in this saluki type?

[optimus 447]

BALLYHEIGUE MOON WAS BALLYREGAN BOBS SIRE & ALSO CHEEKY ANN`s SIRE,. WHEN ANN WAS MATED TO WHIPPET BLOOD SHE PRODUCED HARDBLOOD NATIONAL CHAMPIONS SUCH AS N/CHAMP MADIEROS.N/C CASTLEMAINE XXXX, N/CHAMP///RACING CHAMP DOUBLEXX...N/CH CHEYANNE TO NAME BUT A FEW & HER OFFSPRING CONTINUED TO PRODUCE QUALITY ANIMALS, MANY YOU WILL FIND IN LURCHER TODAYS STRAINS

[birddog 1,354]

even at that genetics doesn't work in fractions, take a look at his dog its obviously thrown more to the greyhound, no deerhound rough coat, no racy narrow front end, no saluki ears maybe more greyhound in there than he thinks and this topic was supposed to be about what track blood offered. we all to some extent think our dogs and ideas are better than others his is maybe a better coursing dog, bobs is a better racing dog and the parents can be traced back for decades giving far more stability and predictability to a line. i,ll refer to an earlier post of mines on this: the owner of the bitch (whom i dont know and its his choice after all) has obviously done his homework well

[Guest storm70]

moo this is simple mate no ofence your dog could be the best dog about mate il shake your hand if he is this post was about greyhound blood b patersons dog paddy and almost bob are purebreads in my eyes there none peds are nearly pure any purebread has to have other blood added or as optimus refered to the line will dilute itself i was lucky enough to spend a bit of time with anastasia nobile and darren bonnel at arkinglass estate i felt that to be a great honour she asured me like many other well nown deerhound breaders that greyhound blood was introduced weather the kept back for themselfs or note i do not no maxhardcore hit it bang on the button whithout firtscross dogs we would be noware whith lurtchers mabe i did go off a bit about my dogs ive worked the purebreads certanly there not always as good as lurtchers but neither is greyhounds its a fine ballance we are all trying to perfect mate or we would all have champions my pures have done me ok my 1stcosses have done me better than ok but without greyhound or whippet or harblood nonpeds i dont think id have owt some dogs need a coat some dogs need better feet some need more courage iam just looking fr more speed and paddy has that to offer atb lads

[birddog 1,354]

BALLYHEIGUE MOON WAS BALLYREGAN BOBS SIRE & ALSO CHEEKY ANN`s SIRE,. WHEN ANN WAS MATED TO WHIPPET BLOOD SHE PRODUCED HARDBLOOD NATIONAL CHAMPIONS SUCH AS N/CHAMP MADIEROS.N/C CASTLEMAINE XXXX, N/CHAMP///RACING CHAMP DOUBLEXX...N/CH CHEYANNE TO NAME BUT A FEW & HER OFFSPRING CONTINUED TO PRODUCE QUALITY ANIMALS, MANY YOU WILL FIND IN LURCHER TODAYS STRAINS

 

 

optimus your either reading from a book or your as old as me couldn't agree more i raced against some of these dogs more than 20 yrs ago, undoubted quality. thanks for making me feel old still great memories

[optimus 447]

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I have tried to ask the question to lads who have chosen track/raceing blood over tested working blood in there breeding programmes but they have not answered my question.

I read an article in EDRD nov 10 by Dave Slieght regarding this subject but disagreed with a few things he said .

So why do lads choose track dogs over the real deal workers as I cant see what they can offer apart from speed .

IF YOU KEEP BREEDING LURCHER TO LURCHER YOU GET REGRESSION & LOSE SHARPNESS & PACE. COL TED WALSH STATED THIS YEARS AGO THAT YOU NEEDED TO BREED IN PURE SIGHTHOUND EVERY FEW GENERATIONS. YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THIS AS THE LURCHER GENE POOL DIMINISHES UNDER CURRENT LEGISLATION

OPT-Dam straight as long as the breedings taking place are utilizing the right dogs, especialy the Greyhound side.

I BRED AN OPEN CLASS BITCH, & I ONLY GOT HER BECAUSE SHE WAS TO GO TO IRELAND TO BE MATED & COULDNT BECAUSE OF FOOT & MOUTH. I CALLED IN A HUGE FAVOUR & GOT HER,BIG STRONG WELL BONED ANIMAL. I TOOK HER TO A NOTED FEN DOG & EVERY PUP TURNED OUT LIKE A PURE GREYHOUND. BITCH I KEPT WAS THE MOST DESPERATE DOG I EVER OWNED, A DECENT DOG NOT A GREAT DOG BUT BOY DID SHE HAVE PREY DRIVE. TROUBLE WAS SHE WAS CONSTANTLY GETTING INJURED. MIND YOU SHE WAS BRED TO BREED FROM SO AFTER 2 SEASONS OF STITCHES, ETC SHE HAD PROVEN THE QUALITIES TO BREED TO PRODUCE A BETTER & MORE DURABLE ANIMAL, SHE WAS PUT DOWN LAST YEAR HAVING DEVELOPED CANCER IN A PET HOME &NEVER HAVING CAME IN TO SEASONMY VET HAD TRIED TO INDUCE HER & CAME TO THE CONCLUSION "she had no ovaries" SUCH IS LIFE. SHE IS PICTURED BELOW(the BRINDLE)

 

Just out of intrest,Was the greyhound you used any relation of the dog "late late show"-a mate had his litter sister for breeding lurchers off but she had the same problem..

NO MATE SHE WASNT

[black recking it 730]

BALLYHEIGUE MOON WAS BALLYREGAN BOBS SIRE & ALSO CHEEKY ANN`s SIRE,. WHEN ANN WAS MATED TO WHIPPET BLOOD SHE PRODUCED HARDBLOOD NATIONAL CHAMPIONS SUCH AS N/CHAMP MADIEROS.N/C CASTLEMAINE XXXX, N/CHAMP///RACING CHAMP DOUBLEXX...N/CH CHEYANNE TO NAME BUT A FEW & HER OFFSPRING CONTINUED TO PRODUCE QUALITY ANIMALS, MANY YOU WILL FIND IN LURCHER TODAYS STRAINS

 

 

optimus your either reading from a book or your as old as me couldn't agree more i raced against some of these dogs more than 20 yrs ago, undoubted quality. thanks for making me feel old still great memories

OPTIMUS IS DEFO VERY OLD MATE

[optimus 447]

BALLYHEIGUE MOON WAS BALLYREGAN BOBS SIRE & ALSO CHEEKY ANN`s SIRE,. WHEN ANN WAS MATED TO WHIPPET BLOOD SHE PRODUCED HARDBLOOD NATIONAL CHAMPIONS SUCH AS N/CHAMP MADIEROS.N/C CASTLEMAINE XXXX, N/CHAMP///RACING CHAMP DOUBLEXX...N/CH CHEYANNE TO NAME BUT A FEW & HER OFFSPRING CONTINUED TO PRODUCE QUALITY ANIMALS, MANY YOU WILL FIND IN LURCHER TODAYS STRAINS

 

 

optimus your either reading from a book or your as old as me couldn't agree more i raced against some of these dogs more than 20 yrs ago, undoubted quality. thanks for making me feel old still great memories

IT`S FROM A HARDBLOOD PEDIGREE OF MY BROOD BITCH MATE. I,D CHOOSE A DECENT SIZED HARDBLOOD OVER A PURE GREYHOUND ANYDAY, BUT I WILL STICK MY KNECK OUT HERE FOR 1 MAN & THAT IS BOB PATERSSON,aka/Whippet/Greyhound, HE IS A VERY DECENT GENUINE GUY & HAS AN EXCELLENT GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OF HARDBLOODS. THE GAME NEEDS MORE LIKE HIM

[darklord 25]

i know storm70 and he doesnt think money when it comes to homing pups in correct homes,

[Butler 396]

Dam 3/4deergrey sire saluki type but this thread is not about my dog ....the reason for the thread is why people choose track dogs for there breeding that have never been tested in the field instead of a decent lurcher that could offer more attributes to the pups than just speed and judgeing from some pms some folks have got there knickers in a twist .

 

When you say dam 3/4 deergrey, do you mean 3/4 deerhound 1/4 greyhound or vice versa,and you state that the sire is Saluki type, how much greyhound was there in this saluki type?

 

I bred and owned the sire to Moo's dog tigger He was a saluki based lurcher bred from saluki based lurchers. Probably not a man left in the game that could tell you the last time a "pure" sighthound was bred in to the line. They seem to be going just fine at the minute don't think i will be adding any straight blood for along time to come.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

I bred and owned the sire to Moo's dog tigger He was a saluki based lurcher bred from saluki based lurchers. Probably not a man left in the game that could tell you the last time a "pure" sighthound was bred in to the line. They seem to be going just fine at the minute don't think i will be adding any straight blood for along time to come.

 

 

@ Butler....

[DottyDoo 500]

so as it goes after all this...................

 

 

moo dont even know what greyhound blood was involved in his breeding, on both sides

[lietome 138]

so as it goes after all this...................

 

 

moo dont even know what greyhound blood was involved in his breeding, on both sides

[/quote well moo says his dog is in the top 5% in the country so it must be good stuff

[Butler 396]

so as it goes after all this...................

 

 

moo dont even know what greyhound blood was involved in his breeding, on both sides

 

 

That may be so but the dogs we own have been tested hard and proven worth taking a litter from. What Moo is trying to say i think is why take the chance breeding from untested stock and in many cases from dogs that have failed in there chosen field.If i was ever to use a pure hound it would be one that was top of it's game no matter the cost.

[DottyDoo 500]

so as it goes after all this...................

 

 

moo dont even know what greyhound blood was involved in his breeding, on both sides

 

 

That may be so but the dogs we own have been tested hard and proven worth taking a litter from. What Moo is trying to say i think is why take the chance breeding from untested stock and in many cases from dogs that have failed in there chosen field.If i was ever to use a pure hound it would be one that was top of it's game no matter the cost.

 

 

maybe i have picked this up wrong...........

 

but if moo dont know what the grey was that was used to breed the 1/4 in his bitch

 

an if you say nobody alive knows the last time a pure bred was used on yer line, but greys or a grey was used at some point..............

 

 

how do yees know the greys on botch sides were not rejected racers that had never been tested?????

 

 

 

i aint trying to piss on anybodys parade here for the record.......

 

if yous are happy wae yer dogs then all the best, i have met you butler an have spoke to moo an yees both know yer stuff i dont doubt that.....

 

like i say tho it just dont make sense to me