Track dog blood

[border lad 1,047]

A proper topic, a joy to read,

[sandymere 8,263]

Posted this before but it shows that the grey will bring physiological benefits that are deeper and as important as skeletal biomechanics, these physiological adaptations can only aid in recovery, stamina and robustness of the cardio vascular system in the longer term when added to lurcher lines on a regular basis.

 

http://members.optusnet.com.au/greytvibes/facts.htm

[baw 4,360]

why? a dog can be the uglyest thing you ever saw but who cares if its filling the freezer or earning its keep? as long as its got 4 good strong legs that carry it to its prey quickly a good set of lungs a good mouth and striking action and most importantly a big heart who cares if its not a show winning specimin of a dog thats the point i tryed to make. any that didnt get that are the ones who need the mate

 

 

You aren't chilean are you Toby? naaa, even they knew when to stop digging lol.

[stewie 3,387]

why? a dog can be the uglyest thing you ever saw but who cares if its filling the freezer or earning its keep? as long as its got 4 good strong legs that carry it to its prey quickly a good set of lungs a good mouth and striking action and most importantly a big heart who cares if its not a show winning specimin of a dog thats the point i tryed to make. any that didnt get that are the ones who need the mate

 

 

You aren't chilean are you Toby? naaa, even they knew when to stop digging lol.

:rofl: f*****g legend :notworthy: :notworthy:

Edited March 22, 2011 by stewie

[sweeper 156]

really good thread lads all oppinions slightly differ

i bred my old half x to a mates greyhound bitch she was a small bitch of no particular breeeding the pups have just finished there 2nd season and they are extreemly fast but burn out on long runs they havent really impressed on toothed quarry either

then i bred my old bull grey saluki bitch to a pure grey from top blood lines not just your average SHIT

the pups have just finished there 1st season and there about 20 mths ish now and they have done just about all put infront of them they have certainly shut a few folk up regarding there stamina the(it will burn out 2 fast crew)after all if you want long runs go get a coursing dog these were bred for lamping roadside up an at them dogs and they certainly are that

the reason i write this is to try put it into perspective using a greyhound in your line can be a good thing or a bad thing deppending on what they will be used for and what type of land you run they like ALL other dogs throw good n bad n every litter and choosing the right bloodline is very inportant imho regards

[border lad 1,047]

Moo i think once in a while every Lurcher line can benefit from the right injection of Greyhound blood. It would obviously give you an injection of speed if the line needs it and make a strain a bit more typey in shape, confermation ect.

Like i say it would have to be the right dog that you knew was of sound temprement , conformation ect.

After all you'd be fooked for your 1st x Deerhound-Greyhounds- Saluki-Greyhounds without them.

15-20 years ago id of said use Coursing blood, nowdays id say find a Good wellbred staying Greyhound from the track as the Coursing dogs are too Big 90-100 lbs

which imo would be depremental to a lurcher line.

Something between 66-76 lbs is the way to go.

Max will know more about greyhounds than most and I agree that some lines could need an outcross to grey hound if needed but my point is that what they offer is limited and a 1/2 grey saluki,bull,wheaton etc could offer more as an outcross.....as for greys makeing decent working dogs what is your opinion on it ?...Max you know me and what I expect from a lurcher and a greyhound saturated lurcher or pure greyhound would not suit me as it would not have much left after even minimum amount of work .....there are a few on here makeing greyhound out to be something there not ...there speed merchants and if you were doing a lot of bigger quarry before the ban came out you will know the easy bit is getting up to its prey but the hard bit is what it does when it gets to it and thats where a lot of wind is needed especially if thhe dog is expected to put more in the bag that day or night .

My whole point of this thread was what do track dogs have to offer and im sure most will agree that it is speed

 

If someone who knew what they were doing wanted to experiment by buying a Greyhound Pup and Rearing -training it as a Lurcher i think they would be pleasently suprised by what could be achieved but they are never going to have the wind of a well bred lurcher, the same for feet. Their jackets will tear more easily ect.

What they will give you if you use the right blood is Type, Conformation, Speed, Drive, Determination.

Moo you couldnt have a First x anything Greyhound to bring new blood into a Line without useing the Right Greyhound blood in The First place.

As iv stated use a well bred Staying Sire-Dam from staying lines.

Make sure the said hounds temprement and conformation is sound.

Use something 66-76 lb if a dog, 58-64 lb if a bitch.

Greyhounds will always have a place in Lurcher Breeding, as will salukis and Deerhounds.

and also bred from a good working hill collie, to a top greyhound this breed or XS, for tight ground were the dog has to be clever, ((( dogs bred for certain, terrain, we do not all live down on the Fens,

[optimus 447]

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I have tried to ask the question to lads who have chosen track/raceing blood over tested working blood in there breeding programmes but they have not answered my question.

I read an article in EDRD nov 10 by Dave Slieght regarding this subject but disagreed with a few things he said .

So why do lads choose track dogs over the real deal workers as I cant see what they can offer apart from speed .

IF YOU KEEP BREEDING LURCHER TO LURCHER YOU GET REGRESSION & LOSE SHARPNESS & PACE. COL TED WALSH STATED THIS YEARS AGO THAT YOU NEEDED TO BREED IN PURE SIGHTHOUND EVERY FEW GENERATIONS. YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THIS AS THE LURCHER GENE POOL DIMINISHES UNDER CURRENT LEGISLATION

OPT-Dam straight as long as the breedings taking place are utilizing the right dogs, especialy the Greyhound side.

I BRED AN OPEN CLASS BITCH, & I ONLY GOT HER BECAUSE SHE WAS TO GO TO IRELAND TO BE MATED & COULDNT BECAUSE OF FOOT & MOUTH. I CALLED IN A HUGE FAVOUR & GOT HER,BIG STRONG WELL BONED ANIMAL. I TOOK HER TO A NOTED FEN DOG & EVERY PUP TURNED OUT LIKE A PURE GREYHOUND. BITCH I KEPT WAS THE MOST DESPERATE DOG I EVER OWNED, A DECENT DOG NOT A GREAT DOG BUT BOY DID SHE HAVE PREY DRIVE. TROUBLE WAS SHE WAS CONSTANTLY GETTING INJURED. MIND YOU SHE WAS BRED TO BREED FROM SO AFTER 2 SEASONS OF STITCHES, ETC SHE HAD PROVEN THE QUALITIES TO BREED TO PRODUCE A BETTER & MORE DURABLE ANIMAL, SHE WAS PUT DOWN LAST YEAR HAVING DEVELOPED CANCER IN A PET HOME &NEVER HAVING CAME IN TO SEASONMY VET HAD TRIED TO INDUCE HER & CAME TO THE CONCLUSION "she had no ovaries" SUCH IS LIFE. SHE IS PICTURED BELOW(the BRINDLE)

[STUNTMAN 552]

OTP-Good read, I kinda went through the same thing lol. Had a male that couldnt be beat at the one of the top tracks here at 5/16. He had no testicles never dropped......I had big plans but that is life

 

P.S. I was a joy to watch him as he was a supreme tryer

[whip x grey 276]

I have tried to ask the question to lads who have chosen track/raceing blood over tested working blood in there breeding programmes but they have not answered my question.

I read an article in EDRD nov 10 by Dave Slieght regarding this subject but disagreed with a few things he said .

So why do lads choose track dogs over the real deal workers as I cant see what they can offer apart from speed .

 

 

3. the average track dog is very game and will smash deer and draw as good if not better than many lurcher given the chance.

 

Now that is one of the funniest things I have ever read on here

 

 

if the truth be known with their lack of socialisation, hunting instinct and physical strength many track greyhounds will run and kill anything in front of them cat,fox, deer, sheep, other dogs anything. and we still haven't found out how much greyhound is in your dog

 

 

i find this intresting,,,,,as moo started topic,,,,,,yet i might be wrong ,,,,doubtfull thou,,,,,moo owns brindle dog called tigger,,,,deer/suliki/grey,,,,,,,,,,what does ur greyhound side bring to table moo,,,??????? i think that will answer ur question

[MOO 730]

I have tried to ask the question to lads who have chosen track/raceing blood over tested working blood in there breeding programmes but they have not answered my question.

I read an article in EDRD nov 10 by Dave Slieght regarding this subject but disagreed with a few things he said .

So why do lads choose track dogs over the real deal workers as I cant see what they can offer apart from speed .

 

 

3. the average track dog is very game and will smash deer and draw as good if not better than many lurcher given the chance.

 

Now that is one of the funniest things I have ever read on here

 

 

if the truth be known with their lack of socialisation, hunting instinct and physical strength many track greyhounds will run and kill anything in front of them cat,fox, deer, sheep, other dogs anything. and we still haven't found out how much greyhound is in your dog

 

 

i find this intresting,,,,,as moo started topic,,,,,,yet i might be wrong ,,,,doubtfull thou,,,,,moo owns brindle dog called tigger,,,,deer/suliki/grey,,,,,,,,,,what does ur greyhound side bring to table moo,,,??????? i think that will answer ur question

Bob I stay 10 minutes from you come out with me today or tonight and bring one of your dogs and I will show you exactly what this dog has to offer

This dog has very little greyhound in his make up and I am sure that its not the greyhound blood that makes him the dog he is .

There a few pups knocking about out of him that certainly dont lack speed but have that bit more than if they were greyhound saturated

Edited March 28, 2011 by MOO

[tinytiger 831]

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I have tried to ask the question to lads who have chosen track/raceing blood over tested working blood in there breeding programmes but they have not answered my question.

I read an article in EDRD nov 10 by Dave Slieght regarding this subject but disagreed with a few things he said .

So why do lads choose track dogs over the real deal workers as I cant see what they can offer apart from speed .

IF YOU KEEP BREEDING LURCHER TO LURCHER YOU GET REGRESSION & LOSE SHARPNESS & PACE. COL TED WALSH STATED THIS YEARS AGO THAT YOU NEEDED TO BREED IN PURE SIGHTHOUND EVERY FEW GENERATIONS. YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THIS AS THE LURCHER GENE POOL DIMINISHES UNDER CURRENT LEGISLATION

OPT-Dam straight as long as the breedings taking place are utilizing the right dogs, especialy the Greyhound side.

I BRED AN OPEN CLASS BITCH, & I ONLY GOT HER BECAUSE SHE WAS TO GO TO IRELAND TO BE MATED & COULDNT BECAUSE OF FOOT & MOUTH. I CALLED IN A HUGE FAVOUR & GOT HER,BIG STRONG WELL BONED ANIMAL. I TOOK HER TO A NOTED FEN DOG & EVERY PUP TURNED OUT LIKE A PURE GREYHOUND. BITCH I KEPT WAS THE MOST DESPERATE DOG I EVER OWNED, A DECENT DOG NOT A GREAT DOG BUT BOY DID SHE HAVE PREY DRIVE. TROUBLE WAS SHE WAS CONSTANTLY GETTING INJURED. MIND YOU SHE WAS BRED TO BREED FROM SO AFTER 2 SEASONS OF STITCHES, ETC SHE HAD PROVEN THE QUALITIES TO BREED TO PRODUCE A BETTER & MORE DURABLE ANIMAL, SHE WAS PUT DOWN LAST YEAR HAVING DEVELOPED CANCER IN A PET HOME &NEVER HAVING CAME IN TO SEASONMY VET HAD TRIED TO INDUCE HER & CAME TO THE CONCLUSION "she had no ovaries" SUCH IS LIFE. SHE IS PICTURED BELOW(the BRINDLE)

 

Just out of intrest,Was the greyhound you used any relation of the dog "late late show"-a mate had his litter sister for breeding lurchers off but she had the same problem..

[tinytiger 831]

Sam The Man 1990 Waterloo Cup Winner was a Track dog. He Killed 4 out of his 6 hares to win the Cup.

The dog had a Great mouth and a Will to take his Quarry.

As someone has already pointed out Ballyreagan Bob was the Foundation Sire of some Great Coursing Lurchers.

Look for a Greyhound From Staying lines that was Top Dollar himself on the track from Great Breeding and you wont go far wrong.

What you dont want is a local Grader from unscruplious breeding .

Go for the best available.

 

 

Glad to here bobs line has survived somewhere as youd want to be sherlock holmes to find a greyhound going back to him today, i think his sisters bred on well in the states though..A dog off something like flying penske would have plenty stamina i.m.o .

[sneakysod 4]

confirmation? since whens that important in working luchers who cares what the dog looks like if it does its job well confirmations for showing and showing means nowt.....

 

well said shame a few more people dnt fink like that thered be alot more good working dogs about.

[chartpolski 23,670]

confirmation? since whens that important in working luchers who cares what the dog looks like if it does its job well confirmations for showing and showing means nowt.....

 

well said shame a few more people dnt fink like that thered be alot more good working dogs about.

 

Do you guys honestly beleive confirmation doesn't count in a running dog ?

 

Cheers.

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

confirmation? since whens that important in working luchers who cares what the dog looks like if it does its job well confirmations for showing and showing means nowt.....

 

well said shame a few more people dnt fink like that thered be alot more good working dogs about.

 

Do you guys honestly beleive confirmation doesn't count in a running dog ?

 

Cheers.

 

dont think they do good workingdogs will confirm to a dog with a physique/disposition that is right or running not how long his shin bone is to his eyebrow lol think that is what they think is confirmation but were not on about that confirmation