self entered dogs

[x38 179]

whats the odds of getting another self entered dog? they say you never put it in to your second dog what you put in to your first? but what if it was nothing to do with you in the first place, where do you think you will start? any ideas?

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

"Entering" a dog has very little to do with us. Only those that think they are the f****n dog whisperer believe that horse shit in the first place. You might be able to teach to sit and fetch and not piss on the rug but you aint gonna make em "want it". Their momma and daddy decide that long before you get your hands on em.

[stabba 10,745]

True Dan.....very true

[fresh earth 47]

Disagree there i have owned running dogs all my life and to an extent yes the parents do contribute to it but all running dogs have the instinct to chase whether there parents were couch potatoes or open class greyhounds the rearing plays as big a part.

 

I have a bitch the now she is 4 i bought her at 10 months out a pet home she wouldnt touch rabbits for almost half a dozen outings then one day she decided to put something out the cover and retrieve it she has never let me down since. My dogs all self enter i walk them daily as a pack and let them mooch at will i keep pups away from the rest till about 7 or 8 months depending on the mentality of the pup and then i start taking them out with my top bitch then once they are steady and well behaved out with her i will let them loose with the rest. Once they get stuck in about cover with older dogs that know the game it makes no difference what the dogs bred out of they will take game when and as they are ready.

 

Ferreting i just take pups out at about 12 months with a steady dog and let them learn the game aslong as there recall and retrieving is spot on then i leave them to it and they pick it up from the other dog. With lamping i wait till the pups chasing then take it on its own and walk up on squaters and build from there i dont lamp a pup with another dog until im comfortable the dog is doing what i want.

 

Working parents do make a difference in the over all way the dog runs and picks things up etc but with the proper guidance and regular outings with other working dogs any dog will learn to work to an extent.

[toby1066 413]

"Entering" a dog has very little to do with us. Only those that think they are the f****n dog whisperer believe that horse shit in the first place. You might be able to teach to sit and fetch and not piss on the rug but you aint gonna make em "want it". Their momma and daddy decide that long before you get your hands on em.

 

well said mate breeding plays a huge part

[JPTfellterrier 65]

Disagree there i have owned running dogs all my life and to an extent yes the parents do contribute to it but all running dogs have the instinct to chase whether there parents were couch potatoes or open class greyhounds the rearing plays as big a part.

 

I have a bitch the now she is 4 i bought her at 10 months out a pet home she wouldnt touch rabbits for almost half a dozen outings then one day she decided to put something out the cover and retrieve it she has never let me down since. My dogs all self enter i walk them daily as a pack and let them mooch at will i keep pups away from the rest till about 7 or 8 months depending on the mentality of the pup and then i start taking them out with my top bitch then once they are steady and well behaved out with her i will let them loose with the rest. Once they get stuck in about cover with older dogs that know the game it makes no difference what the dogs bred out of they will take game when and as they are ready.

 

Ferreting i just take pups out at about 12 months with a steady dog and let them learn the game aslong as there recall and retrieving is spot on then i leave them to it and they pick it up from the other dog. With lamping i wait till the pups chasing then take it on its own and walk up on squaters and build from there i dont lamp a pup with another dog until im comfortable the dog is doing what i want.

 

Working parents do make a difference in the over all way the dog runs and picks things up etc but with the proper guidance and regular outings with other working dogs any dog will learn to work to an extent.

couldnt agree more

[SMART DOG 340]

"Entering" a dog has very little to do with us. Only those that think they are the f****n dog whisperer believe that horse shit in the first place. You might be able to teach to sit and fetch and not piss on the rug but you aint gonna make em "want it". Their momma and daddy decide that long before you get your hands on em.

well said danny boy

[rocky1 942]

its all down 2 genectics ,you can only do so much the rest is down 2 the dog

[Ideation 8,216]

You only 'enter' a dog yourself if you slip them, but if they are usually walking loose and you exercise/walk them in places where there is game. . . .

[DottyDoo 500]

"Entering" a dog has very little to do with us. Only those that think they are the f****n dog whisperer believe that horse shit in the first place. You might be able to teach to sit and fetch and not piss on the rug but you aint gonna make em "want it". Their momma and daddy decide that long before you get your hands on em.

 

 

 

[willow 53]

a good man can make the dog better a FOOL can bust any well bred dog a littall bit to do with breding other wise we would all have great dogs i THINK alot to do with the man behind the dogs

[JPTfellterrier 65]

a good man can make the dog better a FOOL can bust any well bred dog a littall bit to do with breding other wise we would all have great dogs i THINK alot to do with the man behind the dogs

wise words

[vld 62]

Hi all, I think its a bit of both with genetics playing the bigger part.

 

I got this email today from a fella who bought one of my pups so he's 5 months old now (if it had been a bitch I'd have probably kept it)- it actually went to a pet home - but I'm persuading the fella to give the dog another 6months and then get it in training for working - this pup was the biggest of the litter and Im looking forward to seeing him in the next couple of months.

 

 

"out on a walk last sunday evening, flint took off like a bullet suddenly , it was a rabbit it had a good start on him but he caught it up and was practicaly on it as it went into the bushes, he went straight in without hesitation, but after a five minutes came oyut without it , it must have ran down the burrow, but i was dead proud of him as hes only a baby. "

 

So the above is written by a bloke who bought the dog as a pet, he's not done anything to train him to go for rabbits, isn't in a working environment etc but the dog just did it all by himself - thats gotta say something for the genetics debate??

This is a pic of his dog at 8 weeks.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

a good man can make the dog better a FOOL can bust any well bred dog a littall bit to do with breding other wise we would all have great dogs i THINK alot to do with the man behind the dogs

 

It just aint so. Well bred does not = good dog. The best breeding in the world still will throw litters where a very small percentage make good dogs and that's why we dont all have great dogs. If you look at a scatterbred litter you will be culling alot of the pups do to the fact that compensation breeding rarely works. If you look at a linebred litter you will be culling alot of the pups do to the recessive genes that will express themselves.

[willow 53]

so then its all down to LUCK