separate the man from the boys

[secretagentmole 1,701]

I am not buying and selling to sort out my shooting problems, lol, in fact the rifle I sold has just killed a bunny in the hands of the grandson of the man we sold it too and it was a hat as well so !

 

I am working on my shootng skills, reviewing the posts Simon has put up, that man knows one hell of a lot more than me about shooting! We have got our new and new to us rifles for specific purposes, my tennis elbow was flaring up like hell cocking and Mrs Mole cannot cock a springer rifle more than about 5 time at the moment due to her injury! (How the hell can I have tennis elbow? The last time I attempted to play tennis I was at high school).

 

PCP works better for us so the springs have had to be sprung and we have gone down the low cost route for PCP. Two of the guns we have purchased need servicing, that being the T200 and the Super 10. These were factored into the buying price and we explained to the sellers face to face before handing the money over! Mrs Mole will not be able to use a springer properly for about 18 months and for her to live without shooting for that long would not be pretty!

 

After a good day at the range my elbow used to give me a lot of gip, so now the PCP precludes that. I am practising my field craft and my shooting and soon I should be able to put up a post with some good photos. Sometimes what you start with can create problems due to health, I just wish my blasted elbow could handle heavy firing, but it can't and I do not want to ruin my sea fishing with wrecked elbow!

[RaiderBoy 19]

PCP man to the core, whats the point of having a rifle that recoils, only has one shot and a bigger margin of error in which to inhumainly injure your quarry when you can have a 10 shot, recoiless, accurate PCP?. Its like buying a ford when you can have a ferrari. The real man from boy test is pump v bottle .

 

Richard

[pipa 299]

I am not buying and selling to sort out my shooting problems, lol, in fact the rifle I sold has just killed a bunny in the hands of the grandson of the man we sold it too and it was a hat as well so !

 

I am working on my shootng skills, reviewing the posts Simon has put up, that man knows one hell of a lot more than me about shooting! We have got our new and new to us rifles for specific purposes, my tennis elbow was flaring up like hell cocking and Mrs Mole cannot cock a springer rifle more than about 5 time at the moment due to her injury! (How the hell can I have tennis elbow? The last time I attempted to play tennis I was at high school).

 

PCP works better for us so the springs have had to be sprung and we have gone down the low cost route for PCP. Two of the guns we have purchased need servicing, that being the T200 and the Super 10. These were factored into the buying price and we explained to the sellers face to face before handing the money over! Mrs Mole will not be able to use a springer properly for about 18 months and for her to live without shooting for that long would not be pretty!

 

After a good day at the range my elbow used to give me a lot of gip, so now the PCP precludes that. I am practising my field craft and my shooting and soon I should be able to put up a post with some good photos. Sometimes what you start with can create problems due to health, I just wish my blasted elbow could handle heavy firing, but it can't and I do not want to ruin my sea fishing with wrecked elbow!

lol, not you bud!

[secretagentmole 1,701]

I am glad, me elbow could not take it (I blame repeated casting at Cley beach for Bass and Mackerel on feathers lol)! Mrs Mole loves her S200 guns though, these weapons suit her to the ground. The PCP route suits her fine! Just can't wait to get Ken on the permission tomorrow! Afternoon and evening shooting session, as long as it holds air in the cylinder tonight. I know the bottle seal was hard as rock and it does have to go into the gunsmiths for a service, but when that is done that gun will be ace!

[darren watson 14]

iv'e been down both routes and still remain unbiased either way. i didn't really care much about my first spring rifle due to inexperience, hated my second one and got rid for the pre-charge. still enjoyed shooting a couple of mates' webley stingray, SMK19 and HW90 so im gonna start saving for a HW95K just to have the best of both worlds and keep techniques honed.

[fry 209]

pcp s are the way if your into your hunting. i dont see the point of chopping and changing rifles just get a good one an look after it. AA410 still does it for me puts rabbits in the bag! i wont ever sell it and thats that. i prefer shooting alone to.

[hunter1989 91]

Why set up a thread poll like this?

 

Marksmanship has nothing to do with the rifle's action.

 

It's all down to the human factor managing and guiding it all.

 

A 10-shot pellet string, shot through a penny sized hole at 50-70 yards is the reward of good, correct shooting technique, regardless of whether it was shot from a Spring, Gas Ram, PCP or Co2 action rifle. If the rifle, scope and pellet you have is not up to this task, but you know you are; it's time to ditch the junk kit for something better and befitting your skills to allow for your expansion.

 

Real men quietly get on practicing, perfecting and doing it with nothing to prove to anyone but themselves. They go out alone, hit some beautiful long range targets and quarry kills that no-one would believe anyway. They carry that memory all their lives and their rifles and scopes are invested with a thumbprint accuracy that raises them above the other guys guns

 

Boys bullshit and brag about it.

 

Lazy buggers go on buying and selling and selling and buying in the hope that, somehow, the next gun they get is going to be that special ONE alone that's going to solve all their shooting problems.

 

Er,,,No. The best of them is so much dead wood and metal. They reflect only the skill level of the shooter using them. Expect back exactly what you put in. And I'm not just talking about how much you spend

 

 

 

Simon

lol nice one mate,

lazy buggers go on buying and selling and selling and buying hoping its going to sort out there shooting probs?

that hat fits a certain person on here?? ha!

also the boys bullshit and brag about aswell mate?

 

ok that bullshit

[secretagentmole 1,701]

Well today I bought some Daystates, loads of them, I did, really did, 250 of them, does that count?

[bud 5]

Anyone who considers themselves a 'Lazy man' for shooting a pcp clearly isn't putting enough effort into their shooting! I shoot both and certainly don't feel any lazier reaching for the pcp over the springer.

[secretagentmole 1,701]

There are advantages to both, a springer will never run out of puff but aggravates elbows! A pcp is quieter, but will run out of wind if it is a heavy days shooting, horses for courses, but the Moles have been converted! PCP works for subterannean mammals!

[pianoman 3,587]

It's all horses for courses as someone has pointed out before now but, if all you shoot is a PCP it's a shame as, you are missing out on some thoroughly rewarding shooting that a spring rifle or Gas Ram rifle offers. But anyone who thinks that PCPs are better and more accurate is way off the true story. I really wouldn't take a PCP over one of my spring rifles for anything.

 

And before anyone jumps up; I've done a hell of a lot of PCP shooting in my time. I found them OK at best, nothing to write home about that a well sorted HW or Air Arms spring rifle cannot perform; to downright bloody awful at worst. And they all look bloody ugly as f**k. A great spring rifle at least looks like a rifle!

 

ATB

 

 

Simon

[fry 209]

It's all horses for courses as someone has pointed out before now but, if all you shoot is a PCP it's a shame as, you are missing out on some thoroughly rewarding shooting that a spring rifle or Gas Ram rifle offers. But anyone who thinks that PCPs are better and more accurate is way off the true story. I really wouldn't take a PCP over one of my spring rifles for anything.

 

And before anyone jumps up; I've done a hell of a lot of PCP shooting in my time. I found them OK at best, nothing to write home about that a well sorted HW or Air Arms spring rifle cannot perform; to downright bloody awful at worst. And they all look bloody ugly as f**k. A great spring rifle at least looks like a rifle!

 

ATB

 

 

Simon

ha ha i knew you were not going to let this go its horses for courses (cart horses for you )

[zini 1,939]

I wasnt going to write a response to this thread as I thought that it was a bit silly, but as its evolved I have decided to write a bit.

 

I believe that there is nothing wrong with shooting any type of rifle as long as you are happy with it and you can produce good results with it.

 

Different rifles have their uses and none are really better than the other overall, just in certain areas they may gain you a small advantage and make your task easier.

 

My all time best rifles are a mixture of types:

 

BSA r10, Weihrauch HW100KT, Weihrauch HW97KT, Weihrauch HW95K and an Air Arms ProSport.

 

Note only the first 2 are PCPs.

 

I have managed to get the same results out of my springers as I have out of my PCPs with time and practice and one point that as been missed here which I find interesting is that there is no different way of shooting a PCP from the way you should shoot a springer. The same technique should be used whether there is recoil from a piston or a slight nudge from a pre-charged hammer.

 

The difference I find is that getting the same accuracy from a springer takes more practice. With a PCP you get sloppy over time due to the fact that you can get away with some bad shooting errors, i.e. dropping follow through slightly. This you cant get away with when using a springer or your groups will widen suddenly.

 

Every time I go back to shooting a springer I realise myself how poor my shooting has become and its a good reminder of what I have been doing wrong with my PCP. Filming Spring Rifle Vermin Control was a real eye opener for me and getting the DVD finalised was real tough.

 

I have real respect for lads and lasses that can shoot a springer as accurately as they can a PCP, it means that they have practiced and are shooting correctly. Maybe more should persevere with a springer then apply the same technique to their PCP and see the improvement that they have made.

 

Regarding whos a man or a boy and whos lazy or not, well thats just crazy. There is so much advice on this forum but most of it is personal opinion and personal taste and not factual. Some of it is what others believe and is just getting passed on and some is just madness. I wouldnt feel any different in myself if I was shooting a HW97KT or a BSA r10. You can only be lazy at doing something if you know how to do it proper and then take short cuts, but if you dont know how to do it in the first place and then just start and do it how you think its done, thats more down to poor knowledge than laziness.

 

About buying and selling rifles to find that one miracle rifle that shoots quarry for you on its own. It wont happen Im sorry. Swapping and then calling a rifle crap is also funny as one mans most hated rifle is another mans dream rifle and yet again its all down to taste and feel etc.

 

Trying to bring down one brand of rifle and then 1 week later getting that exact same brand makes me laugh too and is sort of hypocritical but that is life I suppose.

 

I buy then sell sometimes but not by choice. When I sell my hand is forced Im afraid and its usually due to being skint. Im not afraid to tell you how it is and dont make up bullshit excuses, going through a marriage split up is expensive so I do what I do to live. That my problem and on one elses.

 

Im summary i would say try a springer and see where your mistakes are them correct them accordindly. Respect springer shooters and watch them when they shoot. You will be suprised to what you have forgotton or never knew.

 

Well thats my bit said

 

ATB

 

Si

Edited March 16, 2011 by zini

[markha 99]

:clapping: get it off your chest mate. Im off for a shoot.

[hunter1989 91]

hi si

 

very true i said i think air arms was better than bsa now i own a bsa ultra BUT this ultra is special really special

 

every said some very good points

 

fair play lad

 

and no debates witch it good

 

atb steve