Nick 14 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I have never seen a white patterdale and would not wont to because it will be crosed with jt terrier these were bred black to black for many years ..Why would it have to be crossed with a russell??Seen many first crosses and they should if both parents are (pure) in the sense not already crossed come black or red years ago thats the colours they produced..Nowadays if you put a pat to a russell you often get russell coloured pups..So it stands to reason both parents were of x bred stock Spot on Donny, black is and always should be the dominant colour, if you cross black over white you should get all black. Why is everybody always assuming Russel in it if a Pat shows white spots? Lots of people use or used Bullblood in their lines....... I never said anything about russells and IMO bull blood would be just as bad. My patts show white chests and white feet and i have pedigrees going back years before i was about and theres no bull or russell in any of it, the dogs picture that sparked all these comments IMO wasn't a patt at all but (no offence) was just a mongrel bred terrier. Was not meant for you specificly, but this was also a point on another board a while back. Somebody placed a pic of a Patterdale pup with a white paw, and all where talking about Russel influence. Didn't know how the pup was bred at that moment, but for me the same thing came up, why always Russel? There are much more possibilitys to get white spots then only Russel inclusion. And yes, also no inclusion of foreign blood at all, as no breed is bred from scratch the way they look now including the color. You always can expect a trowback to dogs long past in their pedigree. Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Putting a black dog over a white bitch can give you ANY colour. I have seen a litter of six that had 2 whites, a choc and three blacks in it, bred from a black dog to a white bitch. Litter before had 2 choc and 3 blacks. It all depends on what genes are in the 'black' you are going to put over the white. I have also seen, on numerous occasions blacks and chocs mated to give white pups... But i believe there has to be the white gene present on both sides for this to happen. Chances are that most terriers have a drop of 'white' in them somewhere if you look far enough back. . Funny how everyones gone choccy mad!! Its only a colour lads.... Good Hunting JD Link to post
scent 509 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 jesus chrst im finding it hard enough to get good working terriers the last few year never mind the colour of them Link to post
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Putting a black dog over a white bitch can give you ANY colour. I have seen a litter of six that had 2 whites, a choc and three blacks in it, bred from a black dog to a white bitch. Litter before had 2 choc and 3 blacks. It all depends on what genes are in the 'black' you are going to put over the white. I have also seen, on numerous occasions blacks and chocs mated to give white pups... But i believe there has to be the white gene present on both sides for this to happen. Chances are that most terriers have a drop of 'white' in them somewhere if you look far enough back. . Funny how everyones gone choccy mad!! Its only a colour lads....Good Hunting JD Hasnt it always been the same though? The lads that want to stand out for whatever reason strive to have what no one else has? Inferiority complex? FTB Link to post
JR Yipp 111 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Putting a black dog over a white bitch can give you ANY colour. I have seen a litter of six that had 2 whites, a choc and three blacks in it, bred from a black dog to a white bitch. Litter before had 2 choc and 3 blacks. It all depends on what genes are in the 'black' you are going to put over the white. I have also seen, on numerous occasions blacks and chocs mated to give white pups... But i believe there has to be the white gene present on both sides for this to happen. Chances are that most terriers have a drop of 'white' in them somewhere if you look far enough back. . Funny how everyones gone choccy mad!! Its only a colour lads.... Good Hunting JD you love the white black dogs you gimp.... very similar to you thoughts on "girls" who are hiding cocks! Link to post
fidodido 30 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I have never seen a white patterdale and would not wont to because it will be crosed with jt terrier these were bred black to black for many years ..Why would it have to be crossed with a russell??Seen many first crosses and they should if both parents are (pure) in the sense not already crossed come black or red years ago thats the colours they produced..Nowadays if you put a pat to a russell you often get russell coloured pups..So it stands to reason both parents were of x bred stock Spot on Donny, black is and always should be the dominant colour, if you cross black over white you should get all black. Why is everybody always assuming Russel in it if a Pat shows white spots? Lots of people use or used Bullblood in their lines....... I never said anything about russells and IMO bull blood would be just as bad. My patts show white chests and white feet and i have pedigrees going back years before i was about and theres no bull or russell in any of it, the dogs picture that sparked all these comments IMO wasn't a patt at all but (no offence) was just a mongrel bred terrier. buster you just described my terrier pup to a tee black white chest white paws bred by an old boy out of the old stuff no peddling shite just honest digging stuff pal high hopes for this beauty matey Link to post
billhardy 2,342 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 when i was looking for a pup a while back i had trouble finding anything other than dark brown pups everywhere i looked they were bloody brown, tried 2 of them out and they didnt turn into much so gave them away, even now my black lad has a brown undercoat and my black bitch has dark brown points when shes clipped, cant seem to escape the bloody colour cant see what the big deal his in chock colour ,in any breed f*****g yellow eyed muts Link to post
drifter 1 50 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 There should be no big deal in coat colour or eye colour for that matter it is graft that counts I couldnt care less if they were pink with purple eyes as long as they grafted . Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Putting a black dog over a white bitch can give you ANY colour. I have seen a litter of six that had 2 whites, a choc and three blacks in it, bred from a black dog to a white bitch. Litter before had 2 choc and 3 blacks. It all depends on what genes are in the 'black' you are going to put over the white. I have also seen, on numerous occasions blacks and chocs mated to give white pups... But i believe there has to be the white gene present on both sides for this to happen. Chances are that most terriers have a drop of 'white' in them somewhere if you look far enough back. . Funny how everyones gone choccy mad!! Its only a colour lads.... Good Hunting JD you love the white black dogs you gimp.... very similar to you thoughts on "girls" who are hiding cocks! Shhhh! or you won't get your little present!! But seriously, colour has never mattered to me,after all, you can't see a dogs coat in the dark.... Good Hunting, whatever the colour! ...JD Link to post
Guest AngelicAcid Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Seen a litter, all black bitch, and white dog, these threw 2 blacks, 2 black and whites, 1 red and 2 red with white socks and white chest. Link to post
foxfan 479 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Seen a litter, all black bitch, and white dog, these threw 2 blacks, 2 black and whites, 1 red and 2 red with white socks and white chest. Feckin hell !! . . . sounds like a barber shop quartet. Link to post
burny2011 12 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 witch bull blood is in your lines mate ? Link to post
Ripstop 89 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) b Edited March 20, 2011 by Ripstop Link to post
Guest AngelicAcid Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Who me?? It wasnt my litter, and no bull. Some lakey maybe in the White dog though. Link to post
Guest busterdog Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Putting a black dog over a white bitch can give you ANY colour. I have seen a litter of six that had 2 whites, a choc and three blacks in it, bred from a black dog to a white bitch. Litter before had 2 choc and 3 blacks. It all depends on what genes are in the 'black' you are going to put over the white. I have also seen, on numerous occasions blacks and chocs mated to give white pups... But i believe there has to be the white gene present on both sides for this to happen. Chances are that most terriers have a drop of 'white' in them somewhere if you look far enough back. . Funny how everyones gone choccy mad!! Its only a colour lads.... Good Hunting JD you love the white black dogs you gimp.... very similar to you thoughts on "girls" who are hiding cocks! Shhhh! or you won't get your little present!! But seriously, colour has never mattered to me,after all, you can't see a dogs coat in the dark.... Good Hunting, whatever the colour! ...JD Then why the whites from litters of blacks ? and if you read what i put again a "true" black should always throw black when put to a white, i read it in a very boring book on genetics that i failed to get past the first few chapters of, but as it meant something to me a i took that bit in. Link to post
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