hancock

[welshunterz 10]

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[Maf 22]

Another typical Hancock thread...usual negative ill informed comments....I heard this I heard that...Kennels smelt of pish blah blah blah!...Idealation some of your comments about owners of this cross are way of the mark...have you ever owned one? probably not...branding anyone who buys this cross as lazy made me laugh how the hell do you know what these guys do with their dogs? Even when faced with the evidence that these dogs can and do work very well you still spout rubbish...well I spose it helps get your reputation status up a notch or two.

Sensible post

 

 

Shut up you prat, i go out with dogs from hancock, and dogs bred from dogs from hancock a few times a week, every week, all season, lamping, ferreting, bushing. It's got f**k all to do with my 'reputation status', just not a fan of what he does and dont believe that its the best way to further the breed. And to say my comments are way of the mark -y that a very large percentage of the folk that end up at his doors are new to the game and don't know any folk running decent collie crosses, or cannot be arsed with scouring the country high and low for a genuine working litter? Don't think thats far off mate.

 

 

Ok tough guy so anyone who doesn't do it your way is either a beginner or doesn't have decent dogs...arrogant as well as a fanny congratulations. As for scouring the country for a "working litter" how's that going for you...I've yet to come across one but you obviously know different. How would one go about researching how much work this litter has done (I take it you mean working parents).

 

Ok lets think this through...if we're to believe the hype any genuine dog lads only breed to replace working stock and these pups will be already spoken for. If by chance there is a spare going its one that nobody else wanted so your already dumbing down so to speak. Then having travelled half way around the country you arrive at the seller's door (often at an ungodly hour) you know you aint gonna see the dam work as she will not be up to speed having raised the litter. Now unless you've witnessed the mating yourself you dont know jack about the sire. Then there's the sale pitch from a complete stranger who may also have a mate with him who will swear this litter will take anything and everything and nod in agreement at every absurd statement his pal makes.

 

Based on this I'll take my chances with a Hancock over a backdoor vendor anyday until such times as I am ready to breed my own.

 

Not being a fan of the man is one thing but to infer that anyone buying a dog from him dont know the game is bullshit.

 

PS dont think I havn't noticed the irony of the reputation status comment...mine went up 3 based on my first comment, which did make me smile.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Maf

[Maf 22]

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Edited May 13, 2012 by Maf

[the pikey poacher 1,157]

that hancock site has come on leaps and bounds from the first time i viewed it years ago... the first time i went on it the gallery showed pics of the dogs but the background was always a blue screen, it always left me wonderin what kind of conditions the dogs were kept in!! as far as i can see if you want a certain type of collie lurcher then he will give you exactly what you order!! i always considered a bearded collie type cross from him and i'd like to ask him what parents are most likely to produce a dog that will take fox (its legal here)!!

 

has anyone ever asked him similar questions?? or do they just buy the cross they want and take it from there???

the dog runs are in exellent condition clean and smell fresh when i was up there 2 weeks back there was no dog dirt in any kennel and its all down to john his brother in law super bloke and knows how to keep a good dog

[omegathelast 160]

This debate will run and run but the suggestion that it is only inexperienced hunters that will buy a Hancock is total nonsense. On the contrary, a thinking man or woman who is looking for a pup of this type of breeding wouldnt find it difficult to choose a Hancock in the absence of anything else being available and in particular might chose a 5/8ths 3/8ths which was once considered the thinking mans working lurcher cross.

 

Not everyone wants to 'just slip it' so are looking for the inherited intelligence and trainability of working Beardie or Border blood, whilst the hearding instincts clearly compliment the instinct of the Greyhound to chase, so logically drive isn't ever an issue. Conversely, some people quite rightly worry about the uncertainty associated with Lurcher x Lurcher crosses and I have seen some people very surprised by how pups of that type of breeding have eventually turned out and as someone who never has, and never would get rid of a dog once it is here I would be careful what I chose. I have seen some good Hancocks work over the years, although I have always thought they are a touch heavy for my personal taste but that is just my preference. My mate has one now and shes coming along a treat. That dog certainly has no shortage of hunting instinct and, if anything, is a little bit more headstrong than we expected but she'll be fine. She wont win any shows or races but she is constitutionally sound, has very good feet and all the attributes you need in a working lurcher. Incidentally, the chap who has her has caught thousands of rabbits and other game with lurchers day and night over last 20 odd years and would certainly not be described as a newcomer!!

 

I wouldnt discount a Hancock if you are looking for a decent collie cross and I reckon some of his Border Half crosses would make superb ferreting and rabbit lamping dogs.

 

Just my opinion.

Edited May 14, 2012 by omegathelast

[whippet 99 2,613]

The guy breeds collie cross dogs and has done so for many years, you may well have started another one of those threads here mate as there are many that like the dogs he produces and lots that don"t and consider the man to be a puppy farmer.

He started through his friendship with D B Plummer author of merle start of a dynasty and many other publications

 

interesting thanks..but how could ya work that many dogs

 

 

Work Only work those dogs see is producing pups . . . . .

id love to be one of his stud dogs , shagging most days

[old school 518]

The guy breeds collie cross dogs and has done so for many years, you may well have started another one of those threads here mate as there are many that like the dogs he produces and lots that don"t and consider the man to be a puppy farmer.

He started through his friendship with D B Plummer author of merle start of a dynasty and many other publications

 

interesting thanks..but how could ya work that many dogs

 

 

Work Only work those dogs see is producing pups . . . . .

id love to be one of his stud dogs , shagging most days

 

 

shagging dogs??? lol

[omegathelast 160]

This debate will run and run but the suggestion that it is only inexperienced hunters that will buy a Hancock is total nonsense. On the contrary, a thinking man or woman who is looking for a pup of this type of breeding wouldnt find it difficult to choose a Hancock in the absence of anything else being available and in particular might chose a 5/8ths 3/8ths which was once considered the thinking mans working lurcher cross.

 

Not everyone wants to 'just slip it' so are looking for the inherited intelligence and trainability of working Beardie or Border blood, whilst the hearding instincts clearly compliment the instinct of the Greyhound to chase, so logically drive isn't ever an issue. Conversely, some people quite rightly worry about the uncertainty associated with Lurcher x Lurcher crosses and I have seen some people very surprised by how pups of that type of breeding have eventually turned out and as someone who never has, and never would get rid of a dog once it is here I would be careful what I chose. I have seen some good Hancocks work over the years, although I have always thought they are a touch heavy for my personal taste but that is just my preference. My mate has one now and shes coming along a treat. That dog certainly has no shortage of hunting instinct and, if anything, is a little bit more headstrong than we expected but she'll be fine. She wont win any shows or races but she is constitutionally sound, has very good feet and all the attributes you need in a working lurcher. Incidentally, the chap who has her has caught thousands of rabbits and other game with lurchers day and night over last 20 odd years and would certainly not be described as a newcomer!!

 

I wouldnt discount a Hancock if you are looking for a decent collie cross and I reckon some of his Border Half crosses would make superb ferreting and rabbit lamping dogs.

 

Just my opinion.

 

............Maybe some pics of workers/adults might be useful for this thread?

[BLACKWATER... 157]

like any mass producer there a place for them but not in my kennel cant beat home bred tried and tested stuff streaks ahead of puppy peddlars without a doubt