Obedience of lurchers??

[Ideation 8,216]

it strikes me from this thread that there is a great variation in what some people ask of a lurcher. That "do-or-die attitude" to take whats at the end of a run is an impressive thing to watch. So is the immediate response of a well trained dog to its handler. So long as you can answer the question honestly, "have I done the best for my dog?" at the end of a day, night or seasons hunting and sleep easy in your bed with the truth then that training has been right for the 2 of you.

 

I have made mistakes in training, and the way I have run my dogs in the past - I will always hope to do the best for the dogs that I have, and not to try and put a shine on my own ego.

 

Cheers,

 

Yorkie

 

 

I get what your saying mate and i agree both are optimum, a do or die attitude shouldnt over ride good training and a good dog/handler bond, i'm just betting that there are few dogs about that work well that if they were running game in open ground and had turned it a few times, were getting ready to put a strike in, and with a single command could be made to just give it up and come back. . . . .

 

Totally agree with that, had one that was that responsive at times, and we all want to pull something at the end of a run. But we have all had the occasion where, once a dog is on that the need to call it off before its on somethings ar## has been paramount for either the dogs or your benefit. I would rather come home empty handed or without it getting too on top, than what the alternatives may be.

 

IMO, Yorkie

 

 

Yes i agree mate i just think there is a difference from calling off a dog that has started to run in to get up on quarry and a dog that has got up on it and is committed . . . . . .

[BIG ZOOK 5]

How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks!

can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times.

 

At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog

 

 

spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in

Tod +Bryn

 

 

Impressed but i can see what they are thinking .

whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck:

 

In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad .

understad :laugh: fcuk off you daft anti hunting bitch :feck:

Can you read ? if not get your baby sitter to ,read it for you.Please keep the topic on course.If you want to bitch on :toast:please feel free to PM me,if it`ll make you feel better.Anti hunting? please explain?.

Edited March 9, 2011 by BIG ZOOK

[BIG ZOOK 5]

How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks!

can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times.

 

At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog

 

 

spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in

Tod +Bryn

 

 

Impressed but i can see what they are thinking .

whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck:

 

In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad .

 

Ummmmmmm if you didn't understand that you are a cretin as he misspelled nothing. You however . . . . .

 

 

Are you a mental middle aged yank woman with crap dogs and weird kids?

WAY WAY off the mark kidda,please keep the post on topic or try to add your thoughts/comments to the mods.

 

 

Fairplay. So what dogs (breeding/age) do you have and could you do as mentioned (off game that they are close on running, maybe turned once, about to strike)?

I have a greyhound 2 yr old that is as obediant as a 12 week old collie pup but he was a rescue dog.I also have a 6 yr old collie/grey that is topper,but hates strangers and kids.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

To my mind a high level of obedience is a must in a lurcher and I do mean lurcher not simply a dog that chases game, in fact the ability to control your dog can be the difference of a good dog and a great dog.

That said however obedience isn't a great thing without fieldcraft or exposure to game and hunting in general and a well trained obedient dog won't automatically be a good pot filler if it looks to its owner all the time and doesn't think for itself.

Years ago approximately 1992 I attended the lurcher field trials in Blairgowrie (I think) and watched nine dogs, three from Scotland, England and Wales each who had earned the right to be there by winning basic obedience trials and I personally wouldn't have paid for the feeding of any of them, their owners in my opinion had opted for obedience before hunting and fieldcraft. Obedience should compliment hunting not over ride it.

 

 

 

bang on the money there fella what I ask of a lurcher is that it both does as its asked, but must also at times does as it knows best. a true lurcher must be able to go freelance when it sees fit. It takes a good dogman to recognize that side of the partnership, yet still keep a hand on the tiller if needs be.

 

Oh and by the way, I don't put myself in that category - but it is what I strive to be for my dogs

[Ideation 8,216]

How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks!

can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times.

 

At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog

 

 

spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in

Tod +Bryn

 

 

Impressed but i can see what they are thinking .

whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck:

 

In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad .

 

Ummmmmmm if you didn't understand that you are a cretin as he misspelled nothing. You however . . . . .

 

 

Are you a mental middle aged yank woman with crap dogs and weird kids?

WAY WAY off the mark kidda,please keep the post on topic or try to add your thoughts/comments to the mods.

 

 

Fairplay. So what dogs (breeding/age) do you have and could you do as mentioned (off game that they are close on running, maybe turned once, about to strike)?

I have a greyhound 2 yr old that is as obediant as a 12 week old collie pup but he was a rescue dog.I also have a 6 yr old collie/grey that is topper,but hates strangers and kids.

 

 

So you can call both or 1 of these dogs off game that it has put up and got onto and turned and is going to snap up?

[BIG ZOOK 5]

would use not say the dog comes of its prey when called upon,dosen,t have the hunger or the drive or the grit ?

NO I`d say it was obeying a basic command .So we should all let DOG chase DOLLY the sheep,just because he fancies it?.

 

 

Now THAT is way off topic, stick breaking IS a basic command and stopping a dog chasing sheep is NO WAY in the same league as calling a dog of legitimate game, when most of the time you let it run and catch that game.

OK not the best example .But any dog that you do not control is a liability in any given situation and the penalties could be severe.

Edited March 9, 2011 by BIG ZOOK

[jimmy100 48]

How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks!

can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times.

 

At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog

 

 

spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in

Tod +Bryn

 

 

Impressed but i can see what they are thinking .

whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck:

 

In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad .

understad :laugh: fcuk off you daft anti hunting bitch :feck:

Can you read ? if not get your baby sitter to ,read it for you.Please keep the topic on course.If you want to bitch on :toast:please feel free to PM me,if it`ll make you feel better.Anti hunting? please explain?.

we all know who you are just f**k off please you just anti scum

[darbo 4,776]

i agree any lurcher can be trained to a good standard by a sensible owner . who is prepared to put the time and effort in. but dogs are also individuals. you can get the challenging forward type dog that needs a firm hand. a sensitive dog that needs the gentle approach to training. also the lazy reluctant dog that needs geeing up during training.you can get these in the same cross no matter what it is.

[Ideation 8,216]

would use not say the dog comes of its prey when called upon,dosen,t have the hunger or the drive or the grit ?

NO I`d say it was obeying a basic command .So we should all let DOG chase DOLLY the sheep,just because he fancies it?.

 

 

Now THAT is way off topic, stick breaking IS a basic command and stopping a dog chasing sheep is NO WAY in the same league as calling a dog of legitimate game, when most of the time you let it run and catch that game.

OK not the best example .But any dog that you do not control is a liability in any given situation and the penalties could be severe.

 

 

Yes an i have NEVER argued against that, i would expect to not have to call my dogs off sheep, cattle, horses, chickens, and if they got frisky a word or two should call them and reprimand them. But what i am saying is that i do not have the control with my current dogs, that when they have put up a rabbit in the middle of a field, run, it, turned it, and are getting ready to strike, that with one command they would just stop, let the rabbit run on and trot back. Can anyone claim this yes or no? Simple. Obviously high levels of command and obedience are needed with any hunting dog especially, but i think that is a step too far?

[darbo 4,776]

also some people will find they are better suited to training dogs of different temperaments. some people will do well with a challenging forward type of dog but struggle with a sensitive dog and vise versa.

[Ideation 8,216]

So after getting insulting and 5 pages of arguing "Big Zook" never did answer the questions . . . .

[littlefish 586]

To my mind a high level of obedience is a must in a lurcher and I do mean lurcher not simply a dog that chases game, in fact the ability to control your dog can be the difference of a good dog and a great dog.

That said however obedience isn't a great thing without fieldcraft or exposure to game and hunting in general and a well trained obedient dog won't automatically be a good pot filler if it looks to its owner all the time and doesn't think for itself.

Years ago approximately 1992 I attended the lurcher field trials in Blairgowrie (I think) and watched nine dogs, three from Scotland, England and Wales each who had earned the right to be there by winning basic obedience trials and I personally wouldn't have paid for the feeding of any of them, their owners in my opinion had opted for obedience before hunting and fieldcraft. Obedience should compliment hunting not over ride it.

 

 

@ mackay...

 

 

What sort of things do the lurcher trials involve?

[trenchfoot 4,243]

also some people will find they are better suited to training dogs of different temperaments. some people will do well with a challenging forward type of dog but struggle with a sensitive dog and vise versa.

 

agree with that mate, I have a beddy/collie/whippet that suits my temperament to a tee. But my wifes working bred collie is just too sensitive for my character unless I am right on the top of my game. I lost a collie/bull cross last year that was as stubborn,forward and independent as fook, great freelancer and took a lot of calm force to keep upside of her. taken another on and its taken a month or two to find his off switch, but were getting there.

 

IMO too many folk take on a dog that is too much for THEIR abilities and put a lack of partnership down to "bottomless prey drive" not an inappropriate choice of dog

 

 

 

[optimus 447]

To my mind a high level of obedience is a must in a lurcher and I do mean lurcher not simply a dog that chases game, in fact the ability to control your dog can be the difference of a good dog and a great dog.

That said however obedience isn't a great thing without fieldcraft or exposure to game and hunting in general and a well trained obedient dog won't automatically be a good pot filler if it looks to its owner all the time and doesn't think for itself.

Years ago approximately 1992 I attended the lurcher field trials in Blairgowrie (I think) and watched nine dogs, three from Scotland, England and Wales each who had earned the right to be there by winning basic obedience trials and I personally wouldn't have paid for the feeding of any of them, their owners in my opinion had opted for obedience before hunting and fieldcraft. Obedience should compliment hunting not over ride it.

 

THIS IS A VERY GOOD POINT I ATTENDED A FEW OF THE NL&RC FIELD TRIALS AT BLAIRGOWRIE.... I USED TO ATTEND DOG TRAINING CLASSES & HERE IS WHERE THE CUSP OF THIS ARGUMENT LAY, TRAINING CLASSES WERE SUPERB FOR BUILDING OBEDIENCE & A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR DOG, BUT MY 5/8 GREY, 3/8 COLLIE X GAINED IT`S BEGINNER.. INTERMEDIATE...& ADVANCED TRAINING CERTIFICATE ON THE SAME NIGHT...NOW I WAS BURSTING WITH PRIDE, BUT I WILL LET YOU IN ON A SECRET... WHEN IT CAME TO HUNTING SHE WAS POOR. SHOWED NO INCLINATION TO USE HER NOSE AT ALL, FERRETING WAS A NON STARTER, LACKED EARLY PACE & AGILITY ON DAYTIME RABBITS, BIT BETTER ON LAMP. BROWN HARES WERE TOO FAST, NOT AS BAD ON WHITES BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE A WASTE OF 2yrs OF MUCH EFFORT. THUS MY OPINION THESE DAYS IS THIS, CONCENTRATE ON HAVING THE BASICS OF A DOG THAT YOU CAN RECALL, JUMP& IS STOCK BROKEN ETC. CONCENTRATE ON WHAT TRAINING AIDS A WORKING DOG...DONT EXPECT 2 MUCH...BUT NEVER ACCEPT 2 LITTLE

[3 Turns 326]

ALRIGHT MEN.

OBEDIENCE IS DOWN TO THE MAN NOT THE DOG....ALL DOGS GET THE TRAINING .ALL MY DOGS WHATEVER THE BREED TURN OUT THE SAME.